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427 SOHC Cammer Build
« on: April 15, 2012, 10:09:55 PM »
I was just reading about Jay Brown's cammer build.  It is very clear that his experience with these complex motors has given him the skill to be able to solve many issues.  I really respect that.  I clearly do not have that expertise and as a result have had to rely on others to get me through the building of my 452 SOHC.  For the past 5 years I had been accumulating the parts to build one of these motors and as a hobbyist I find it extremely rare to find honest people in the cammer world.  Many out there peddling parts do not have a clue about what they are doing and do not stand behind what they sell and most of it is pure junk. 

I purchased a front cover from Dove along with the backing plate and the interchangeable top intake.  When it came to assembling the motor, the cover did not fit as the holes did not line up and the backing plate was the same story.  As for the intake, the plate that goes under the intake was misdrilled and the top had to be completely reworked as it was chipped and the screws were not able to hold the top together.  I ended up getting a new front cover from Pond and it fit like a glove and I was fortunate enough that Jim Barillaro who built the motor had an extra backing plate that was the correct thickness and configuration.  The Dove front cover is now a dog dish for Jim Barillaro's dog to eat out of and the backing plate is scrap.  I don't understand how Dove stays in business as he obviously has no scruples and does not care what goes out his door to customers.  Does it make sense that you buy new parts and have to repair them before you can use them.

I had purchased much of the valve train from a now defunct business called Cammer Concepts run by Michael Deutsch.  It turns out that the billet steel T&D rockers that I purchased from him had the adjuster nuts made from tool steel instead of 8620 steel.  When Jim Barillaro had the motor on the dyno and shut it off to check the valves, he discovered that when he turned the nuts, they crumbled.  T & D asked Jim to send back all the rockers which he did and T & D replaced all the adjusters and nuts with the proper material.  They mentioned that Cammer Concepts had insisted that they use tool steel and many sets had come back with the same problems.  T & D stood behind the product free of charge.  The billet rocker shafts happened to be ok.

I also bought the cams from Cammer Concepts as well as the valves, bee hive valve springs, titanium retainers, and locks.  This turned out to be a complete disaster that necessitated that the motor having to come apart after the first dyno session.  The billet cams were fabricated by Comp Cams and both the right and left cams had the same profiles, so they did not make any power.  Jim Barillaro had to tear down the top end of the motor, send the cams to Comp Cams and they reground them free of charge but I had to pay for new springs and retainers.  After I notified Cammer Concepts about the problems and then tried to contact Deutsch about the costs involved, he never returned a call or e-mailed me.  I had to absorb the costs of the parts and the labor.  No wonder he is out of business and I am sure I am not the only unhappy customer.

Next up was Butch Engelbrecht of the SOHC Shop.  I bought supposedly a mint set of iron cammer heads from him.  The first problem was that he sent me two left hand heads and being inexperienced I only realized this about a year after the purchase as I had been stock piling the parts.  I originally thought that they would be interchangeable.  I finally tracked him down and he did send me a right hand head but the left heads both needed a lot of work to make them serviceable.  So much for selling me what I paid for in terms of mint heads.  I also bought chain guides from him and the top one had a large piece of it missing.  Thankfully, Barillaro had a mint one to replace it with.  The cam gears that I did buy from him were good quality. 

All I can say is buyer beware of these three guys as they have no morals and their actions illustrate this.  I feel fortunate that I had the financial fortitude to overcome these problems.  The only person that I had the pleasure of dealing with throughout this whole ordeal was Jim Barillaro.  He has been building these motors since 1969 and was essential in providing me the motor that I asked for.  From the Shelby block to the billet Crower crank and billet Crower rods and Arias pistons he provided me with all the guidance to get these components properly specified and made.  He meticulously built and tested the motor and I feel very good about the finished product.  It is a stout streetable motor and it arrived last week and it will be installed in a GT40.  Jim has been a pleasure to deal with and I highly recommend him.  He says what he means and he follows through on what he promises.  There are no games and complete transparency.  What a rarity.....like these motors.

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Re: 427 SOHC Cammer Build
« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2012, 11:02:10 PM »
Wow, what a struggle you have been through!  My experiences have been similar to yours; although I never had any issues with Cammer Concepts, I have had the same poor quality issues with Dove parts, plus business issues with another individual.  Fortunately there are quite a few good suppliers of SOHC parts and services; Barry Rabotnick at Survival Motorsports, Doug Garifo at Precision Oil Pumps, Robert Pond Motorsports, and Paul Munro in Australia come to mind.

Also +1 on Jim Barillaro; I've dealt with Jim before and he is a stand-up guy and really knows these engines.  I stopped by his place about four years ago on my way back from purchasing my Galaxie in South Carolina, and got a chance to look at his Comet funny cars.  Talk about drag racing history!

If you get a chance post some pictures here of your engine when it is installed; I would really like to see what an SOHC looks like in a GT-40.

Jay Brown
- 1969 Mach 1, Drag Week 2005 Winner NA/BB, 511" FE (10.60s @ 129); Drag Week 2007 Runner-Up PA/BB, 490" Supercharged FE (9.35 @ 151)
- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC

   

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Re: 427 SOHC Cammer Build
« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2012, 10:43:30 AM »
Great story on some sad stuff. Good to get out the facts and help fellow Ford fans avoid some terrible consequences.   
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Re: 427 SOHC Cammer Build
« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2012, 01:53:19 PM »
Machoneman and Jay B,

The purpose of my posting was to make people aware of who is credible and who is not.  I was fortunate to encounter Jim Barillaro through this ordeal.  The positive aspect is that I did not get into a quagmire with a parts supplier that takes your money and does not send the parts.  I limited my negative experiences to three sketchy individuals. 

One thing that I have learnt is that there are specialists for these types of motors and those that have experience building FE motors and feel that they can do this as well should the opportunity present itself.  It is analogous to gong to the general dentist and you need specialty work.  The general dentist says he does that as well.  However, he took a short course in it while a specialist did a multi-year residency and has more experience.  By the way, I am not a dentist.

I personally do not have the capability to be an engine builder as I know what I am good at and what I am not good at.  I am simply an enthusiast that appreciates craftsmenship, automotive art, and collect it accordingly.  I always wanted one of these motors since I first saw a picture of one in the 1970"s.  If I had to do it all over again, I would simply do a "no brainer" and engage Barillaro to source and procure all the parts and call me when he has it crated and ready to ship.  He is not a production facility and I appreciate the exclusivity.  That way I can keep my brain in it's most comfortable gear.....neutral.  I would suggest others to do the same unless they have the time and the intellectual capital like Jay to do it on their own. 

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Re: 427 SOHC Cammer Build
« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2012, 07:44:15 PM »
Sucks that people feel the need to do business this way.
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Re: 427 SOHC Cammer Build
« Reply #5 on: April 18, 2012, 10:47:53 AM »
This is what Barillaro built for me.  Dry sump and all....

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Re: 427 SOHC Cammer Build
« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2012, 10:50:11 AM »
Another view....

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Re: 427 SOHC Cammer Build
« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2012, 10:51:29 AM »
Ford art...

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Re: 427 SOHC Cammer Build
« Reply #8 on: April 18, 2012, 12:01:15 PM »
Nice.  Whose dry sump setup is it?  Aviaid?
Jay Brown
- 1969 Mach 1, Drag Week 2005 Winner NA/BB, 511" FE (10.60s @ 129); Drag Week 2007 Runner-Up PA/BB, 490" Supercharged FE (9.35 @ 151)
- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC

   

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Re: 427 SOHC Cammer Build
« Reply #9 on: April 18, 2012, 12:30:40 PM »
Jay,

It is an Aviaid four stage system.  It works very well according to Barillaro with plenty of oil everywhere.  I have the same system in my 468 supercharged FE.  Given the past experience, I decided to go the same route again.  This motor will be situated quite low in the Gt-40 and my CSX Cobra does not have a lot of ground clearance either.  By the way, I got a real education reading about your build.  I would probably have to grow another brain to fully understand it.

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Re: 427 SOHC Cammer Build
« Reply #10 on: April 18, 2012, 02:27:17 PM »
Very cool looking engine!
Bob Maag