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Re: Bracket Carbing
« Reply #15 on: July 06, 2016, 06:51:25 PM »
another thing on Bracket racing is you are not chasing jets trying to get everything out of it on every pass ...... a lot of the boys out here set the carb slightly lean or slightly fat , which ever way makes the car most consistent through out the whole day .... and if your running methanol your car will hardly vary ET all day ...... the really good boys bag a little ET then try to decide whether to take the stripe or dump and try to break your opponent out ...... tons of strategy in bracket racing ...... I recall a staging duel onetime where one of the drivers on the line started reading a National Dragster newspaper right there on the pre staging beam waiting for the other guy to stage first

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« Reply #16 on: July 07, 2016, 10:40:34 AM »
i'll only wait so long, then i'll double bulb him.
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« Reply #17 on: July 07, 2016, 01:25:42 PM »
...... tons of strategy in bracket racing ...... I recall a staging duel onetime where one of the drivers on the line started reading a National Dragster newspaper right there on the pre staging beam waiting for the other guy to stage first

Most tracks now days utilize "Autostart" where the computer will start a countdown to activate the tree once both "pre-stage" and at least one "stage" light are activated, so staging duals are pretty much eliminated for bracket and sportsman competitors. The Pros still use a tree manually activated by a human starter I believe. But that brings up an excellent point, it's a good idea to check at each track you run how they run their program. The Autostart system can be adjusted in the programming for the amount of time it allows before the tree times out a competitor, different tracks can have different settings. I have seen a few racers that seem to use every bit of time, but it's rare. It's important info too for someone that "deep stages" to be sure they can get staged in time.

 Another thing to check is how bye runs are picked at your track. I've seen some tracks that give the bye to the last person in staging for a session. Some pick a randon number in the tower, say #1 thru #10, then have the person running the staging lanes count back that number of cars for the bye - if you're never up at the front of staging you'll never get picked for the bye. In later rounds sometimes it can be picked by the racer with the best reaction time or closest to the dial in on the previous round. It's always nice to get an easy round win, especially if you're chasing points, and nothing wrong with bettering your odds at getting picked.

Another thing to check if the track uses and familiarize yourself with is "Cross Talk". It generally only applies to the classes that allow delay boxes, but some tracks do a run off between the "Box" class winner and "No Box" class winner for the big prize and Cross Talk may be on and can really throw you off if you don't know about it ( or how to have the track turn it off in your lane ).

Finally for now, it's a rule that you as the racer need to check if your dial in is correct before you pre-stage.  Some tracks have a preview board near the burn out box so you can see the tower has your dial-in correct, but most don't - you need to look at the scoreboard ( some small tracks may not have that ), if you can't see the scoreboard ( hey, we're all getting older ) have a friend who can see it help you and alert you not to pre-stage if it's wrong. It may seem basic but I see it happen at least once each race weekend when someone stages on the wrong dial-in. The person reading your dial off the car may not be able to pick it out well in the suns glare, or the track owners relative working in the tower may be half blind, but it won't matter, "If you stage on it, you own it".
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« Reply #18 on: July 07, 2016, 03:52:29 PM »
...... I recall a staging duel onetime where one of the drivers on the line started reading a National Dragster newspaper right there on the pre staging beam waiting for the other guy to stage first.

I checked the NHRA rule book and there doesn't seem to be anything against loading a handgun propped on the steering wheel where your newspaper-reading competitor can see. Good racing tactic?

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« Reply #19 on: July 07, 2016, 03:59:28 PM »

Another thing to check if the track uses and familiarize yourself with is "Cross Talk". It generally only applies to the classes that allow delay boxes, but some tracks do a run off between the "Box" class winner and "No Box" class winner for the big prize and Cross Talk may be on and can really throw you off if you don't know about it ( or how to have the track turn it off in your lane ).

I checked the NHRA rule book and there doesn't seem to anything about activating a 1000-watt RF amplifier next to the "Box" driver. Good racing tactic?

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« Reply #20 on: July 07, 2016, 04:07:08 PM »
I think for now I'll just aim for some TnT action to get back in the saddle. I wrote the FElony/Dufus thing not just for giggles (failed), but to gauge any curiosity over my car (zero). True, it's not a Mustang or a Galaxie, so I guess I'll shay-shay it into the appropriate model-specific forum elsewhere. Hopefully I can get into the Bracket action next season and take advantage of some of the excellent input from you guys.

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Re: Bracket Carbing
« Reply #21 on: July 07, 2016, 04:43:19 PM »

Another thing to check if the track uses and familiarize yourself with is "Cross Talk". It generally only applies to the classes that allow delay boxes, but some tracks do a run off between the "Box" class winner and "No Box" class winner for the big prize and Cross Talk may be on and can really throw you off if you don't know about it ( or how to have the track turn it off in your lane ).

I checked the NHRA rule book and there doesn't seem to anything about activating a 1000-watt RF amplifier next to the "Box" driver. Good racing tactic?

...... I recall a staging duel onetime where one of the drivers on the line started reading a National Dragster newspaper right there on the pre staging beam waiting for the other guy to stage first.

I checked the NHRA rule book and there doesn't seem to be anything against loading a handgun propped on the steering wheel where your newspaper-reading competitor can see. Good racing tactic?

Actually I think both those things would be covered under section 1.3.1 Participant Conduct, Administrative Procedures, of the NHRA rule book. There are some non NHRA sanctioned tracks around the country where carrying a handgun may be advised though, your decision there. And I'm playing along with you here, although I'll admit I miss some people's obscure humor, that's my issue. I like all things Ford/Mercury/Lincoln/Meteor, more info on your car is welcome, pictures even better.
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« Reply #22 on: July 07, 2016, 05:02:23 PM »
... There are some non NHRA sanctioned tracks around the country where carrying a handgun may be advised though, your decision there.

This is Arizona. The local track IS NHRA, and you can bet they never check for firearms. However, because it is Arizona, if I loaded my gun on the starting line, the starter, the guys with the brooms, everyone behind me in the staging lanes, the girls working the concession stand, and 87% of the spectators would open fire on me, thus slowing my reaction time to a non-competitive level. I could only hope the guy reading the National Dragster would get caught in the barrage.

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« Reply #23 on: July 07, 2016, 10:11:05 PM »
I'm too lazy to go look it up, but I think there is a section about interfering with the opponents electronics.

This is beginning to sound like a modern day Krass and Bernie. Man I miss those guys!

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Re: Bracket Carbing
« Reply #24 on: July 07, 2016, 10:33:32 PM »
felony  I liked your post , 428 roadrunner and plenty of dufus' 

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« Reply #25 on: July 07, 2016, 10:33:45 PM »
this was early mid 2000's ..... track announcer and starter loved it ..... said it's hard to spice up a bracket race for the spectaters ...... Tracy was running for/in a points battle at Munci Indiana when his race car broke ,,,, not wanting to lose too many points he entered his daily driver S10 , his opponents where trying to take advantage of him not be able to cut a light in his street driver when the staging battle began ..... announcer and starter loved it ......

 following week he installed a parachute on the bumper of the same S10 , bagged a 1/2 second on the dial , let the big car run him down and then pulled the shoot about 60ft from the finish line and almost won ..... another week his race car was fixed and it was just another boring bracket race :) for spectators anyway
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« Reply #26 on: July 07, 2016, 10:35:44 PM »
I can hear the whole conversation

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« Reply #27 on: July 08, 2016, 12:07:30 AM »
I'm too lazy to go look it up, but I think there is a section about interfering with the opponents electronics.

This is beginning to sound like a modern day Krass and Bernie. Man I miss those guys!

They are still in Car Crap every month!

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« Reply #28 on: July 08, 2016, 12:15:37 AM »
felony  I liked your post , 428 roadrunner and plenty of dufus'

Thanks, gdaddy. Back in the 70's I had a '67 Cyclone GT with a 410-6V in it. Even then, the Dufuses (Dufii?) thought that was a Road Runner. I'm sure once the Ranchero is on the road again, I'll get comments about my El Camino. I think there's an appropriate comeback for those people. Oh yeah...


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Re: Bracket Carbing
« Reply #29 on: July 08, 2016, 09:08:12 AM »
Previous track owner held dove hunts - track is inside the city limits but it's allowed for you to hunt on your own private property.  Race car tuning with shot guns leaned up against trailers.  Was that a backfire or a 12 gauge? Keep your pellets out of my pit, thanks.  On the PA "Do not shoot over the track please".