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585" SOHC
« on: September 29, 2015, 08:30:41 PM »
Performance Summary:
      Cubic Inches:   585            Dyno brand:  SuperFlow 901
      Power Adder:    None           Where dynoed:  Jay's garage
      Peak Horsepower: 992 @ 6600
      Peak Torque:  830 @ 5100

Horsepower and Torque Curves:

Note: black curves are for this engine; red curves are for the previous iteration in 2014.



Engine Specifications:
   Block brand, material, finished bore size, other notes:  Shelby aluminum block, offset bored to 4.700" bore spacing, 4.500" finished bore size
     
   Crankshaft brand, cast or forged, stroke, journal size:  Crower billet crank, 4.600" stroke, 2.200" rod journals
     
  Connecting Rods brand, material, center to center distance, end sizes, bolts:  Crower billet rods, 6.700" center to center, 0.927" pin

   Piston brand, material (caster, hypereutectic or forged), dish/dome volume, static CR:  CP custom pistons, 13.4:1 compression ratio

   Main Bearings, Rod Bearings, Cam Bearings brand and size:  Federal Mogul 125M main bearings, Clevite rod bearings

   Piston rings brand, size, other notes:  Total Seal conventional rings, .043" steel top ring, .043" Napier second ring, 3mm 13 pound oil ring

   Oil Pump, pickup, and drive: Stock pump not used, Peterson 6 stage dry sump system

   Oil pan, windage tray, oil filter adapter: Custom aluminum oil pan to work with dry sump, Moroso louvered windage tray

   Camshaft brand, type (hyd/solid, flat tappet or roller), lift and duration (adv and @.050"):  Comp Cams roller cams, single pattern, 288@ .050", 0.739 lift, 114 LSA

   Lifters brand, type:  NA

   Timing chain and timing cover:  Pond timing cover, Munro timing gear and chain set

  Cylinder heads brand, material, port and chamber information:  Aluminum SOHC heads, raised ports, hemispherical chamber, 120cc

  Cylinder head flow in cfm at inches of lift (28" H2O pressure drop):
      Intake               Exhaust

     .100     83          .100   58
     .200    176         .200  134
     .300    280         .300  210
     .400    361         .400  264
     .500    412         .500  306
     .600    434         .600  320
     .700    443         .700  334
     .800    453         .800  344

   Flow bench used, location:  SuperFlow SF-600 bench, R&R Performance

   Intake valve brand, head size, stem size:  Manley custom intake valves, 2.300" head diameter, 11/32 stem

  Exhaust valve brand, head size, stem size: Manley custom exhaust valves, 1.900" head diameter, 11/32 stem
   
  Valve springs brand, part number, specs:  Comp springs, 26115, 255 on the seat, 630 over the nose

   Retainers and locks brand, part number, specs:  Comp titanium retainers, Manley locks

   Rocker arm brand, type (adjustable or non-adj), material, ratio:  T&D adjustable rockers for SOHC

   Rocker shafts and stands, brand, material: Precision Oil Pumps steel SOHC rocker shafts

  Pushrods brand, type, length:  NA

   Valve covers, brand, type:  Aftermarket SOHC aluminum valve covers

   Distributor brand, advance curve information:  NA

  Harmonic balancer brand:  ATI

   Water pump brand, type (mechanical or electric):  CVR electric pump with FE Power adapters

   Intake manifold brand, material, porting information:  Custom sheet metal intake

  Carburetor(s) brand, type:  NA

  Exhaust manifolds or headers brand, type:  Custom built step headers, 2" to 2-1/8" to 2-1/4" primaries, merge collectors to 3-1/2" outlet

  EFI system: Megasquirt MS3X controller, Ford Racing 80# injectors, Aeromotive A1000 fuel pump, DIY Autotune individual coil packs
« Last Edit: October 04, 2015, 10:48:36 AM by jayb »
Jay Brown
- 1969 Mach 1, Drag Week 2005 Winner NA/BB, 511" FE (10.60s @ 129); Drag Week 2007 Runner-Up PA/BB, 490" Supercharged FE (9.35 @ 151)
- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC

   

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Re: 585" SOHC
« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2015, 01:58:10 PM »
"Pushrods brand, type, length:  NA"...Hard to find for these engines. :o.Impressive how well this ran all week.

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Re: 585" SOHC
« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2015, 11:47:55 AM »
Impressive Jay Congrats!! If you used carbs how much loss do you think you would have

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Re: 585" SOHC
« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2015, 02:06:18 PM »
I don't think I'd lose too much horsepower, in fact there are some folks out there who would argue that you would pick up power with the carbs, especially if you used those split Dominators.  But drivability with the carbs would really suck.  Since this engine spends a lot of time on the street, EFI was the way to go.
Jay Brown
- 1969 Mach 1, Drag Week 2005 Winner NA/BB, 511" FE (10.60s @ 129); Drag Week 2007 Runner-Up PA/BB, 490" Supercharged FE (9.35 @ 151)
- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC

   

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Re: 585" SOHC
« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2015, 02:17:43 AM »
You could break 1000 HP if you just ran a different fuel. Some gas stations around the country sell 101.

So... when will we see you putting a blower on a SOHC? That kinda is the inevitable direction. Instead of going for offset bores in order to increase the displacement, you could just plunk a 8-71 on it and open up a whole new chapter.
« Last Edit: December 21, 2015, 02:21:42 AM by Autoholic »
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Re: 585" SOHC
« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2015, 09:50:42 AM »
I have a twin turbo SOHC in the works, but its probably a year or so off yet.  One issue is that I don't want to put the funny car style cage in any of my cars.  I like being able to get in and out of the cars without crawling through a roll cage; they are street cars, after all.  I can run pretty close to the limit of my cage (8.50) with the naturally aspirated engine, and so going with the blower in that car would just make me NHRA-illegal.

I plan to put the turbo engine in my Galaxie, and probably run right on 8.50 with that car as well.  It could run a lot faster, but I want to keep my bench seat, column shift, full size Ford the way it is with the normal cage and removable side bars.  It will never win at Drag Week (all of the power adder classes are running faster than 8.50), but it will still be pretty cool...
Jay Brown
- 1969 Mach 1, Drag Week 2005 Winner NA/BB, 511" FE (10.60s @ 129); Drag Week 2007 Runner-Up PA/BB, 490" Supercharged FE (9.35 @ 151)
- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC

   

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Re: 585" SOHC
« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2015, 09:59:15 AM »
Wow, a twin turbo! Cool!

But, if I may be so bold, and considering it's in your Galaxie, why not say a 8-71 Jimmy blower on top w/ a cool Hilborn/Enderle hat (converted to EFI)?

Sure, the twin turbo is cool yet the bulk of it is hidden under the hood, ideal for the Shelby with the strut front end and you could likely put back on the stock appearing and rather unique hood.

The Galaxie would look mighty cool with a polished blower, eh?   See 385 series '64 below......
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Zs1X12s9u0
« Last Edit: December 21, 2015, 10:03:05 AM by machoneman »
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Re: 585" SOHC
« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2015, 10:10:13 AM »
I tend to agree, Bob, the SOHC deserves a blower.  But I already bought the turbos, and I like the idea of everything hiding under the hood.  Actually, in the car I'm going to put the turbos and air to water intercoolers in the trunk, to avoid all that piping that you normally see in a turbo installation.  There's just going to be one tube coming through the firewall and into the back of the intake manifold, so that nothing will be present to spoil the looks of the SOHC. 
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- 1969 Mach 1, Drag Week 2005 Winner NA/BB, 511" FE (10.60s @ 129); Drag Week 2007 Runner-Up PA/BB, 490" Supercharged FE (9.35 @ 151)
- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC

   

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Re: 585" SOHC
« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2015, 10:34:00 AM »
Hey, we're all going to love it no matter!

Ah, but someday......blower heaven,here we come! LOL
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Re: 585" SOHC
« Reply #9 on: December 21, 2015, 12:10:09 PM »
Jay That Will be an instalation similar to a
Thunderbolt fighter



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Re: 585" SOHC
« Reply #10 on: December 21, 2015, 12:54:32 PM »
Are you going to cut up one of the manifolds you have now that seems to be hiding shop light from the shelves or start anew? :)

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« Reply #11 on: December 21, 2015, 02:04:41 PM »
Jay That Will be an instalation similar to a
Thunderbolt fighter
Exactly, Heo, same idea.  At Drag Week in 2006 there was a guy with a late model Crown Victoria that had two turbos parked under the car in the back.  A really, really cool installation, and I'm going to try to do the same basic thing.
Jay Brown
- 1969 Mach 1, Drag Week 2005 Winner NA/BB, 511" FE (10.60s @ 129); Drag Week 2007 Runner-Up PA/BB, 490" Supercharged FE (9.35 @ 151)
- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC

   

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« Reply #12 on: December 21, 2015, 02:12:36 PM »
Are you going to cut up one of the manifolds you have now that seems to be hiding shop light from the shelves or start anew? :)
Steve, don't you recognize priceless works of art when you see them?  Those manifolds are eclectic montages of dinged up aluminum tube, welding slag, JB Weld, and RTV; how could I ever cut one up? ;D

I'll probably start new, mostly because I need to build the manifold to fit under a factory teardrop hood, and to position the inlet facing the rear and down, to take the big 4" tube bringing the boost out of the firewall...



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- 1969 Mach 1, Drag Week 2005 Winner NA/BB, 511" FE (10.60s @ 129); Drag Week 2007 Runner-Up PA/BB, 490" Supercharged FE (9.35 @ 151)
- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC

   

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Re: 585" SOHC
« Reply #13 on: December 21, 2015, 05:10:37 PM »
As long as you're happy with an increase in turbo lag.
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« Reply #14 on: December 21, 2015, 06:24:31 PM »
There was Someone in Sweden with
A smal Opel with some BrandX Engine
That had same kind of instalation
You saw the turbos from behind
I saw it in a magazine some years ago
The owner Said it Worked realy god



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