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396 truck FE
« on: August 19, 2015, 06:53:59 AM »
I posted this on the old forum, but wanted to make sure people saw it.  Basically, somewhat mismatched 396FE turned out pretty well. The back story is that this one was through two shops and nobody could get it to run.  Poor guy was forced to buy 3 carbs and pay out the nose for labor and they never got it running.  When I came in, I found a set of heads with loose and sunk seats, multiple broken guides, springs installed at the wrong installed height, and horrible intake leak and needless to say, no tuning whatsoever. 

Initially, we found the heads and intake from a buddy, bought a set of headers to replace the log manifolds, then dove in knowing the cam may not be ideal.  Later I found the pistons were 1.66 CH, but at this point the smartest move was to get him through the season with a fun cruiser and then do something better over the winter or next winter, he needed to get on the road or the project would have likely died both from his motivation and his wife's impatience of the money flow :)

The resulting engine is a truck 390 (low compression) with Edel heads, RPM intake, Accel dist, 650 Thunder series Edelbrock carb, FPAs, 3.50 gears and a CR 4 speed, cam was the smallest thumper, 226 intake, 241 exhaust, low 500s on lift, 107 LSA on 102.

http://www.compcams.com/Company/CC/cam-specs/Details.aspx?csid=1484&sb=2

Needless to say it was a little down on torque, good sized cam, lots of overlap, big intake, big heads, but it was not nearly as bad as you'd think. To tune it, I put a set of pink enrichment springs in the carb (was supposed to come with them stock, but didn't) to keep them from cycling at idle. (7 inches of vacuum). Recurved the distributor to allow 38 total at 2800 with 20 initial and put a 4 hole Transdapt phenolic spacer on.

I put the spacer on initially to help keep the carb cool, but looking for issues with stalling when he hit a bump backing out of his driveway, I found that the carb also had very high float levels, so likely the boiling issue was not only a temp issue, but the float level was high enough to let the gas go where it wanted with heat as well. In the end, those four things really helped drivability.

I was surprised at the end results, this engine runs really well in a short box 2WD pickup, even with a deep breathing intake and not much compression. The next step will be a 3.98 crank in it to get the pistons up where they should be, potentially rock the cam back a couple of degrees and then tune again as 416. It should be a lot stronger then, but for now it's a real nice driver and it sounds awesome.

I can't say I would pick a Thumpr cam on my own, but it certainly wasn't nearly the enemy we generally make them out to be. The truck runs as well as any low compression 390 could with any other reasonable cam and could easily be used as a daily driver.
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- 70 Fastback Mustang, 489 cid FE, Victor, SEFI, Erson SFT cam, TKO-600 5 speed, 4.11 9 inch.
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Re: 396 truck FE
« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2015, 07:21:38 AM »
Glad you got it running for him, Ross.  What was the reason for all the problems?  An incompetent shop did the work?
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Re: 396 truck FE
« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2015, 09:19:32 PM »
Sorry, I guess I never got to the original punch line.

Yes, incompetent machine shop, sunk a bunch of seats in the head too deeply and they loosened up and were bouncing around and not even holding water, as well as cracking almost every guide they pushed the liners into, the guides actually wore egg shaped making valve seal evel less likely.

Combined with Printoseals leaking and a spun balancer the guys were trying to time to with a light, it was a mess

The wild thing is it went to the original shop, then a second, and both said the "cam was too wild", but never checked TDC, never checked compression, just spent a lot of his money on labor trying who knows what.
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- 70 Fastback Mustang, 489 cid FE, Victor, SEFI, Erson SFT cam, TKO-600 5 speed, 4.11 9 inch.
- 71 F100 shortbed 4x4, 461 cid FE, headers, Victor Pro-flo EFI, Comp Custom HFT cam, 3.50 9 inch

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Re: 396 truck FE
« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2015, 03:10:50 PM »
Back in the mid 80's I took a set of $$63-406$$ heads to the so called best shop around at that time. Got the engine together and every one of the exhaust guides moved and a couple slipped nearly all the way out. Those heads were valuable even back then and I never been so mad in my life. No one wanted to touch them after that. I sent them off to Holbrook and they did an awesome job of repairing them without having to do much damage.  They were nice heads and eventually I traded them for a dove tunnel ram, a clutch and pressure plate and bellhousing and a set of old coyote headers lol.
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Re: 396 truck FE
« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2015, 06:06:47 PM »
My guy took a video to show off on Facebook, thought you guys may like it.

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- 70 Fastback Mustang, 489 cid FE, Victor, SEFI, Erson SFT cam, TKO-600 5 speed, 4.11 9 inch.
- 71 F100 shortbed 4x4, 461 cid FE, headers, Victor Pro-flo EFI, Comp Custom HFT cam, 3.50 9 inch

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Re: 396 truck FE
« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2015, 06:31:53 PM »
That does sound fairly snotty  :).  Pretty good looking truck too. Later, Travis.

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Re: 396 truck FE
« Reply #6 on: September 13, 2015, 09:10:32 AM »
The guy is driving the wheels off it and loves it.  I have to say, I really like driving it too, sounds tough even if it's not too quick.  A super fun Sunday cruiser

It's currently a close ratio toploader and 3.50 gears, this weekend we are putting an early TKO.  1st gear will go from 2.32 to 3.27 (SLR from 8.12 to 11.44)  and of course high gear will go from 1:1 to .82, (final from 3.50 to 2.87) should make a heck of a difference on a street toy and better prepare it for the 416
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- 70 Fastback Mustang, 489 cid FE, Victor, SEFI, Erson SFT cam, TKO-600 5 speed, 4.11 9 inch.
- 71 F100 shortbed 4x4, 461 cid FE, headers, Victor Pro-flo EFI, Comp Custom HFT cam, 3.50 9 inch

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Re: 396 truck FE
« Reply #7 on: September 13, 2015, 10:26:43 AM »
Sounds great Ross!!! Better than what I thought.... Awesomeness
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Re: 396 truck FE
« Reply #8 on: September 14, 2015, 06:32:42 PM »
That's a very good looking truck.  It sounds great.

Do you mind finding out what the color is?  I keep thinking I want to get away from white on my crew cab but that color looks good to me.
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Re: 396 truck FE
« Reply #9 on: September 14, 2015, 07:52:58 PM »
I'll ask the owner this weekend and post, it is sort of an antique or off white.
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Bullock's Power Service, LLC
- 70 Fastback Mustang, 489 cid FE, Victor, SEFI, Erson SFT cam, TKO-600 5 speed, 4.11 9 inch.
- 71 F100 shortbed 4x4, 461 cid FE, headers, Victor Pro-flo EFI, Comp Custom HFT cam, 3.50 9 inch

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Re: 396 truck FE
« Reply #10 on: September 15, 2015, 11:07:16 AM »
You are right Ross about the shops. I came on the scene when carbs were fading as daily drivers and digital engine management was developing. I was able to work with the older seasoned techs from that era. Now I could see younger technicians going in circles over mechanical issues because of lack of experience. The ones that just don't care are enough to make us all look bad.