445 build for 68 Torino GT

[Heo]

The 360 is just a destroked 390 so it dosent matters you change the crank anyway

[Landlubberatsea]

Hi Heo, how is the big country in the west? Too many people and not enough snow? Just kidding I know about the crank, it's just a bit irritating that you don't get what you pay for. Also less attractive for sell or trade I believe, not as many that will pay for 360 crank and rods.
But on the other hand it's another good reason why the missus must understand why we have to spend a little extra on the engine 
Parts collected or on order so far;
Scat crank
Ohio crankshaft H beam Rods with ARP 2000 bolt
Diamond reverse dome dish pistons #42021
Stage X heads
RPM intake
T&D street roller set
FPA headers
Edelbrock aluminium waterpump
Powerbond damper
MSD ignition system.
and various bits and pieces

So far so good....

[Heo]

Oh Its great exept a missed conecting
Flight and a night on a bench at ohare
Airport 
Nice and sunny nice people
But Tired after staying awake
40 hours saturday to sunday
and 10 hours in a u-
Haul truck today

[Landlubberatsea]

Yesterday a new box arrived at home. It was my new headers from Santa Stan at FPA. Glad I got to see them before I went to work.
I love the christmas feeling that surrounds this build

Sorry to hear about your struggles Heo but if you need a U-Haul I reckon there is something interresting in it that can light up the mood

By the way, I would like to go with electric fan(s) to the engine and I'm pretty darn sure that a couple of you good people know
a)  what puller from SPAL will be enough for the 445? (Street car) Radiator 15" x 23 3/4", can go to 15 1/2" on height before it hits the connections.
b) and if a Powermaster 100 Amp alternator will be enough for this system? I do not have any other equipment that draws a lot of amp, not even a radio.

Now back to work.....

[Nightmist66]

I can't help with the Spal fan setup question but I will try on the alternator. I bought one of the old Powermaster 1 wire 100A "upgrade" alt. part #8-47101 for mine, and found out that their dimension specs were wrong in the catalog. The rear bearing stuck out further than the original and actually contacted the cylinder head. I couldn't shim it out too far or it would throw the belt alignment off. So, I decided to flip it upside down and run it like a CJ setup. I made my own bracket for the bottom, but I found a CJ style to replace it now. I told a representative from Powermaster at the racing expo in St. Charles last year about my problem and now if you look in the catalog, they state in the 3G section, great for Ford FE engines! Take it for what it's worth, I guess. Unless you have a lot of accessories, the 100A should be fine. The Ford FE compatible 3G style shows 140A and 200A options. It never hurts to use a bigger alt. or batt. Jmo

[Landlubberatsea]

Hi Jared, thanks for the info, that was the same alternator I had in mind  Now I might go for a 3 G from qualitypowerauto.com or paperformance.com instead. The reason I was a bit conservative on the power is because I read that there is a bigger risk of frying something if you go to high in a car with old wiring.
May I ask were you found the CJ bracket if I for some reason need the bracket anyway?

[Nightmist66]

I found my bracket on Ebay.

[Landlubberatsea]

I believe I will go for this http://www.qualitypowerauto.com/item_17/3G-Small-Case-High-Output-Alternator-with-Internal-Regulator.htm
Sales guy told me it will be a direct fit with the mountings and the pulleys should line up perfectly, hopefully he is right
Also found a fan and shroud kit, with spal fans  , that is a direct fit to my Northern radiator http://www.northernfactory.com/HIGH_PERFORMANCE/SEARCH_BY_VEHICLE/MERCURY/COUGAR/1968/Z40069

[Landlubberatsea]

Received suggestion about the camshaft.
Howards hydraulic roller custom grind with following specs: 229/607 in and 237/618 out, 112º LSA.
So excited

[Barry_R]

That looks a bit like the old Crane profiles.
They had a rep for being pretty noisy...

[Landlubberatsea]

Hi Barry, do you mean noisy in valvetrain or exhaust? The later I can live with

[Barry_R]

Valvetrain.

No way to be certain on these grinds.  Maybe these are better/newer...

But the older Crane ones that were comparable were noted for being really noisy and being hard to control at higher RPM - just kinda sketchy with FE rocker ratio and valve weight.  Made good power up to the sketchy point though.

[Landlubberatsea]

OK, very interesting, thanks for the info.

If I decide to go with this cam and if it behaves like the old Crane cam, where do you reckon I will end up with the rev limit? or maybe that is not possible to say until after dyno.

If we would like to play around with it a bit, how much advance do you reckon we can put into it if used together with your Edelbrock's Stage X heads, Diamond reverse dome dish pistons and Fel-Pro steel lined gasket? 

I'm interested in learning more so I have a few more additional questions for the forum....
Is it possible to see the above mentioned behaviour by looking at the cam specs or is this something you have to learn through experience because figures doesn't tell it all?
What is it that makes the cam sketchy, is it duration vs lift or is it radius or something else? Is it both the intake and exhaust that causes it or is it one of them?

Also, would like to say thanks to all who comment or answer to this thread. This is mostly new territory to me so all advice and information is appreciated. I have engaged an experienced builder to this project who has done several FE strokers of various size and whom I fully trust but it is always interesting to read about others experiences, there is something to learn from everything, good or bad 

So once again, thanks and please have patience with me for not always following your advice but making bad decisions can also be a part of the learning process (most certainly will be in my case  )

Woke up this morning from a nightmare where I had to pay 150000 usd extra in tax and first thought in my head after wakening up was - will I be able to finish the Torino ?! nothing about wife, kid or home (they are angels who put up with me )

[Landlubberatsea]

Builder called, had to add 140 grams of heavy metal to the Scat crank. He wasn't to impressed with that and me neither, another 600 dollars........
"I told you, you should have chosen an Eagle crank but the customer is always right, ha ha ha....", well nothing to do about that now 
Still waiting for some parts to arrive from the US, hopefully they arrive the next time I'm home. Then I will go up and have a look at the engine in progress and take some pictures which I can post here.
Also thinking about getting a new C6, anyone here got experience with the 700hp street/strip C6 from Broader Performance?

[jayb]

You might think about a C-4 instead of a C-6.  C-4s use a lot less power, something like 30 HP less than a C-6.  And it is no problem to get a C-4 that is good for 700 HP.  When I replaced the C-6 with a C-4 in my Mach 1 back in 2004, it felt like somebody had released the emergency brake.  A big, big difference in acceleration.