What's the value of a 1969 Torino Cobra?

[My427stang]

I think it's a good buy, can't imagine there is another one with a pedigree floating around for that price.

I'd look close at that build date, it'd be cool if it was a capscrew drag pack car, although the way I read that Marti report it seems like it'd be a standard CJ engine due to the build date.

Either way, cool toy.

You wait though, it's sort of odd, they tend to be more cramped under the hood than a Mustang.  Not much, but a little.  Valve covers, headers, radiators are all just a little more crowded in a Fairlane/Cobra/Montego, etc

[jayb]

Both the 428CJ and 428SCJ got the R code, so I don't think that the data tag decode shown in the box in the report can be used to determine if it was a 428CJ or a 428SCJ.  Was that what you were referring to Ross, when you said it reads like it was a 428CJ engine?

I have to admit I'm confused by one thing on the Marti report.  It says the car was ordered with a 428SCJ - Drag Pack option after 2/20/69, but the car was built on 12/30/68.  I wonder if they just didn't refer to the extra components as the "Drag Pack" until after that date?  I think I might email Kevin Marti to try to clarify that...

[thatdarncat]

Jay, There have been discussions on the Drag Pack option on the "other" forum, I linked one below from 2007. There are others, but Hawkrod addresses some of the semantics here. There may be info on the 428cobrajet.org site too, I haven't looked lately. Basically ( and I'm being simplistic here ) I think it came down to Ford officially naming the package on the invoice and charging separately for it apart from the optional gear ratio starting in February 1969.

http://www.network54.com/Forum/74182/thread/1169122745/1/Drag+Pack+gear+ratio-

[jayb]

Thanks Kevin, that helps.  Sounds like if you ordered the 3.91 or 4.30 axle ratio you automatically got all the Drag Pack components, including the SCJ engine and oil cooler, but that they didn't start making it a separate option until February 20,  1969. 

[427Fastback]

There is no engine code for a SCJ...Other than the obvious things in the engine you have to look at the oil cooler and more important the horn location,mounting and the horn wires as they got moved for the oil cooler...I don't know about introduction dates but if you ordered 3.91 or 4.30 (as Jay mentioned) you got a SCJ or drag pack (same thing)

The rear end tag is the holy grail for the package..Build sheet is a obvious bonus and numerous SCJ's were stamped "SUPER" on the front of the block by the fuel pump..

I have been looking after a original drivetrain 1969 SCJ Mach I now for over 20 years.

Good score....

[My427stang]

There is no engine code for a SCJ...Other than the obvious things in the engine you have to look at the oil cooler and more important the horn location,mounting and the horn wires as they got moved for the oil cooler...I don't know about introduction dates but if you ordered 3.91 or 4.30 (as Jay mentioned) you got a SCJ or drag pack (same thing)

The rear end tag is the holy grail for the package..Build sheet is a obvious bonus and numerous SCJ's were stamped "SUPER" on the front of the block by the fuel pump..

Thanks Kevin, that helps.  Sounds like if you ordered the 3.91 or 4.30 axle ratio you automatically got all the Drag Pack components, including the SCJ engine and oil cooler, but that they didn't start making it a separate option until February 20,  1969.

I understand the engine code stuff, my point is the Marti comments vs the build sheet.

I interpreted the Marti comment as after 2/20 you got the SCJ and its extras, but the point that the build sheet that said Super is odd. 

Maybe you got the SCJ components before 2/20 that but it wasn't called drag pack? I am not sure of that because I didn't think the Drag Pack was a real name either, but I could be mistaken.

FWIW I don't believe my buddies 68.5 4.30 CJ Mustang had an SCJ engine or an oil cooler, although it is a different body style, registered as a 68 and build much earlier.

Worth some research or a call to Marti to ask what he is talking about!  LOL

[jayb]

The rear end tag is the holy grail for the package..Build sheet is a obvious bonus and numerous SCJ's were stamped "SUPER" on the front of the block by the fuel pump..

Cory, why is the rear end tag the holy grail?  I might have to pull that tag off of there tonight...

[427Fastback]

My understanding is unless you have paperwork to verify the SCJ the key to the whole thing is the gear ratio in the back.
As far as I know (I am not a CJ expert)if you ordered 3.91 or 4.3 you automaticaly got the drag pack option.
The Marti report obviously clears things up..I have the build sheet here for the SCJ Mustang..I will look at it and see if it says anything on it...

[rockhouse66]

All you need to verify it was built as a SCJ car is the Marti report.  The differences on the build sheet will be the axle ratio (obviously) and the engine code which should probably begin 424.  There are different engine code suffixes too, but there doesn't seem to be any hard info on what they mean.  My 3/69 built SCJ is 424T.

Your car is definitely a SCJ, and I would also call it a Drag Pack car though technically I guess you can't call it that unless it was built after 2/69 when Ford began identifying them that way.  BTW, though SCJ was not advertised by Ford to my knowledge, the parts books all refer to that engine as a SCJ to differentiate it from a regular CJ in those few areas where they actually diiffer.

[427Fastback]

I forgot about the engine code number..I looked up the SCJ's build sheet and its engine code is 425T.The sheet is filled in the 17th day of D month (car is a 69)

[jayb]

I pulled the tag off the differential tonight; looked like it was on there since day 1.  After cleanup with a wire wheel, here's what it looks like:



I'm pretty sure at this point that the car got all the Drag Pack stuff, even if it didn't officially get the Drag Pack moniker.  I'm beginning to like this deal more and more...

[Dave427SOHC]

Really glad to see this car go to someone like you Jay congrats My dad had one in midnight orchord car was fast

[Joe-JDC]

Yes, that is a 3.91:1 Locker 9" tag.  Did the axles have the 3 dimples in the flange for 31 splines?  Sounds like you did OK on the deal, even though it will be lots of work for a restoration.  Restify will be a lots easier.  Joe-JDC

[jayb]

I haven't pulled the wheels yet, Joe, so I don't know if the axles have the three dimples, but at this point I'd bet a lot of money that they do 

[482supersnake]

Crites makes a nice Ram Air hood for the Torino's