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C6 transmission failure [UPDATE] T&D Race rocker failure
« on: June 06, 2025, 08:29:20 AM »
I am pretty sure my c6 transmission failed today wile I was on my way to an event. I was cruising at 60mph slight bang then it sounded like the tailshaft fell out did not get any vibration it did snuff my engine out by the time I got it pulled up on the side of the highway. Got the car towed home did not have much battery left once I got home engine seems to turn over fine nothing sounds bad I will start the car tomorrow and check every thing is ok there but I think everything is fine with the engine car rolled and moved fine loading and unloading it no fluids leaking from any parts oils all look good and clean and smell normal.

once I work out what failed if it is the gear box I was going to pull it apart not sure if there are places I should look first inside the trans. The trans has done no work since rebuild and worked great the place that built it for me is no longer around after 30years of building transmissions sadly when I got a donner box I got an early one 1966. I will upgrade to a later model case this time.

Has anyone had a failure like that?
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Re: C6 transmission failure
« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2025, 10:44:43 AM »
I am pretty sure my c6 transmission failed today wile I was on my way to an event. I was cruising at 60mph slight bang then it sounded like the tailshaft fell out did not get any vibration it did snuff my engine out by the time I got it pulled up on the side of the highway. Got the car towed home did not have much battery left once I got home engine seems to turn over fine nothing sounds bad I will start the car tomorrow and check every thing is ok there but I think everything is fine with the engine car rolled and moved fine loading and unloading it no fluids leaking from any parts oils all look good and clean and smell normal.

once I work out what failed if it is the gear box I was going to pull it apart not sure if there are places I should look first inside the trans. The trans has done no work since rebuild and worked great the place that built it for me is no longer around after 30years of building transmissions sadly when I got a donner box I got an early one 1966. I will upgrade to a later model case this time.

Has anyone had a failure like that?

I’m just verifying, you’re saying this is a 1966 model year C6?

The early model year ‘66-‘69 C6’s just used a splash oiled one-way clutch (sprag) in the rear of the case. Sometime later in the ‘69 model year Ford changed to a pressure oiled one-way clutch, and all later C6’s were pressure oiled. Just a wild guess at this point, but with what you describe it’s possible your one-way clutch failed & locked up. I’ve personally had it happen once, on my ‘66 7 Litre Galaxie, and have heard of other failures. It can especially happen on these older vehicles that don’t necessarily get driven a lot. Years ago Ford had a replacement one-way clutch rear race with the required lube hole and instructions on where to drill a small hole in the rear of the case to intersect the existing fluid return passage. Early ‘66-‘69 C6 cases can easily be modified to have the pressure feature, and all replacement one-way clutch rear races come with the lube hole passage now days. I’m sure this discussion has come up here before and I’ve posted the instructions, but I can do it again for anyone it might help.

I would check under your vehicle first before you start it, just to visually check for anything that is obviously wrong, like a broken case or tail shaft housing, or anything else that might have caused your issue. Most of the time that’s not an issue, but always good to make a thorough check first.

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Re: C6 transmission failure
« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2025, 02:24:22 PM »
Its a 66 fairlane 482ci and a 66/67case c6 the guy who rebuilt the gear box could not do everything I wanted him to do because it was an early case. I have never had a gearbox failure make so much bad noise I will do a full inspection today of the driveline my big worry was I did not have time to look at oil pressure as I had to pull the car off the highway in peak morning traffic I also have a low oil pressure fuel cut off. It did sound good when I wound it over a few times once I got it home and there was no smoke or any leaking when it happened.

If it was something like the one-way clutch dose it wreck a bunch of stuff? Im sure i can get basic rebuild parts over here. I sent brorder an email about getting one of his boxes but he is away atm and I am not in the USA so it would take me at least 3 months to get one built and imported.

Thanks for the info thatdarncat I will look into that mod see if my builder did it or not.
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Re: C6 transmission failure [UPDATE] T&D Race rocker failure
« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2025, 11:15:36 PM »
Update gear box is fine wile doing some quick engine checks I found this

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Re: C6 transmission failure [UPDATE] T&D Race rocker failure
« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2025, 12:05:21 AM »
Glad you found that. Check the corresponding intake pushrod on that same cylinder to be sure it isn’t bent. Many times when an exhaust valve quits opening the intake pushrod gets bent when trying to open against the trapped exhaust pressure.
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Re: C6 transmission failure [UPDATE] T&D Race rocker failure
« Reply #5 on: June 07, 2025, 05:35:13 AM »
Glad you found that. Check the corresponding intake pushrod on that same cylinder to be sure it isn’t bent. Many times when an exhaust valve quits opening the intake pushrod gets bent when trying to open against the trapped exhaust pressure.

For sure I am looking into what I should do now and need to try and work out why it broke it looks like it has been cracked for some time before it let go I am shocked it did not even put any marks on the valve cover or rocker next to it my goodness it made a racket when it broke. Every thing looks great too tip rolls like brand new   

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Re: C6 transmission failure [UPDATE] T&D Race rocker failure
« Reply #6 on: June 07, 2025, 08:48:45 AM »
T&D rocker failures are not uncommon.  Any aluminum rocker arm will have a fatigue life, and when it reaches that point it will break.  The more stress from the valve springs on the rocker, the shorter the fatigue life.  That particular rocker may have just come to the end of it's life.  But I would check to make sure you are not at coil bind with that particular valve, just to be sure.
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Re: C6 transmission failure [UPDATE] T&D Race rocker failure
« Reply #7 on: June 07, 2025, 09:24:31 AM »
Seems like it Jay Not really what I want to hear but it is what it is. I contacted Brent He helped me a bunch with parts after I had some problems with with getting parts and gave me lots of help wile building the engine It is hard not being in the USA to find good places to deal with. Contacted T&D as well to see what they think.

I don't want to pull the engine but it sure would be nice to have a look at the lifters. Once I get into it more I will post in my build thread.

I just spent 1500 in parts to finish up the cars A/C install too with some luck I can still get the fab work done to move the oil coolers I still have 3 months before it starts getting hot here fingers crossed I can have a running car with A/C by then  8)

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Re: C6 transmission failure
« Reply #8 on: June 07, 2025, 09:17:50 PM »
Its a 66 fairlane 482ci and a 66/67case c6 the guy who rebuilt the gear box could not do everything I wanted him to do because it was an early case.

As far as I know, all FE C6 housings will interchange. There never was any exclusive application - the early (1966) passenger car housings were the same as later ones. They did upgrade the 1966 valve bodies in 1967, because of the PRNDL shift change.