What did I buy? "1958 360 FE and C6"

[67Charger]

FIRST!  I know there were no 360's in 1958.

I just paid $200 sight unseen for a running takeout from a '58 Ford that was billed as a 1958 360. I've asked for head and intake casting #'s, the 2 easiest to see, and will get them this evening.  I'd have just written it off as a mis-labeled 352 if it is really a '58, but it has a 2V manifold, and Wikipedia (I know, so sue me) only shows 4V in '58.  As I see it, it could be almost anything, and as long as it runs, I don't really care.  In the mean time, lets see if we can sleuth this out...

1) Were there 2V 352's in '58?  I had never even heard of a 332 prior to this, I thought those were Y-blocks.
2) What other casting numbers would be a giveaway as to what it is, and are easy to see that I could ask for without being too much of a pain to the guy?
3) The "C6" has a flanged output, not a slip yoke.  Is that a clue for year or application?  Mopar went away from that in cars around 65.  Not sure on Fords.  Also, I thought C6 started in 1966...
4) The carb sits on the thick PCV spacer, that makes it at least late 60's, right?

The '63 427 in my dad's boat cracked the block in 3 places and we just want to get it back on the water to tow the kids around.  All of the mounts and engine plates are vintage Edelbrock pieces for an FE, so that's what we need to swap in.  HP isn't really important for this one.

If all else fails, this setup will go as a complete unit into my '62 F500 Ramp truck project to get it mobile again.

[GerryP]

From the superficial exterior clues:  Alternator, truck oil filter mount, '67 and later valve covers,  I appears more likely to be a truck 360 with the factory 2bbl intake.  There was a 361 FE used in the Edsel, but that's not likely in your case.  Not that it can't be, but unlikely.  The only way to know precisely what you have is to take it apart and measure bore and stroke and accumulate casting data.

[Mr Woodys Garage]

Apparently, Someone Doesnt Know What They Were Selling. Thats A 68-69 Ford Pickup Engine And Transmission. Yes, 99.9% A "360"

[Urgefor]

I would assume a typo on the seller's part.  '58 instead of '68.

[thatdarncat]

As the others replied, there’s nothing “1958” FE in the pictures, has to be later.

Just for future reference, in the 1958 first model year of the FE there were Ford 332, 352 & Edsel 361 engines available. The Ford 332 FE came in both 2 bbl & 4 bbl versions. The 361 Edsel engines were actually the first FE’s, since the Edsel was introduced earlier than the 1958 Fords in the fall of 1957. The 361 Edsel engine was also available as an option in 1958 Ford police cars.

Also just like in later model year FE’s, the casting numbers are a small piece of the puzzle, but they won’t positively identify the engine size, since generally the same block, head, intake castings were pretty much used across all the different size FE’s in ‘58.

Like most FE’s, you need to check the bore and check the crankshaft I.D. code.

[67Charger]

I am picking it up on Thursday or Friday, so I'll let you all know what I find.  He repeated more than once "58 Ford", so I'm guessing it was swapped in at some time.  I didn't even ask if it was car or truck.  I figured I couldn't lose.  A 2bbl 352 is just about bottom of the FE barrel, and anything else is a bonus.

[galaxiex]

The C6 is a "truck bolt-on yoke" type used in long wheel base trucks with a 2 piece driveshaft.

Passenger car C6's and short-er wheel base trucks got a 14 inch extension housing with a driveshaft slip yoke.

[428kidd]

Be aware early blocks have 2 bolt engine mounts while later have 4 . That is a 68ish truck engine . The trans is a dead give away with the VC as well. Where are you located? Ray Sheppard in KY can fix the block if its just freeze cracks.

[67Charger]

I AM interested in fixing the 427.  The freeze cracks are all from the water jacket out, not into the cylinder.  The rearmost headbolt bolt hole is cracked into the threads, and the crack extends around the rearmost portion of the water jacket and into the valley.  I was getting water in the oil.  I am picking the 427 up from my builder on Thursday and can post photos then.

Here's the intake part number I received last night.  Looking like a '69+. Anyone able to refine it further off that?

[thatdarncat]

C9AE-9425-B is the common cast iron FE 2 bbl intake manifold used in the ‘69 thru ‘72 model years. The casting date code appears to be “1 B 18”, 1971 February 18th, which is in the 1971 model year. Over the course of it’s production it was used on both cars & pickups, and on both the 360 & 390 in cars & pickups. It may have a large “T” cast on it.

[JimNolan]

If it's a 360 truck FE it will have an inverted 502 on the front drivers end of the block.

[thatdarncat]

If it's a 360 truck FE it will have an inverted 502 on the front drivers end of the block.

The reverse “501” (not 502) is just a mold characteristic of many (but not all) FE/FT blocks cast at Ford Michigan Casting Center (MCC) foundry. The Michigan Casting Center was a new plant built in ‘71-‘72, and started casting parts for the 1973 model year.

There were thousands & thousands of 360’s built ‘68-‘72 before the Michigan Casting Center even existed, and they won’t have the reverse “501”.

The reverse “501” was on all variety of FE/FT blocks, not just 360’s.

I just want the original poster to be aware there is no marking on the exterior of a FE block that positively denotes that it’s a 360 engine assembly.

[428kidd]

Plus one reverse 105  but plenty of 360s with out that!

[67Charger]

"Survey says:"  1971 something.  The emissions tag is mostly present, and says conforming to 1971 standards.  Unfortunately, one of the missing spots is right before the still visible "CID" text.  Looks like I need to coat-hanger the cylinder and roll it over to check stroke.  It looks completely unmolested.  I'll be firing it up this week and running a compression check.