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manofmerc

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Starter for 73 truck with headers powermaster didnt work
« on: November 30, 2023, 05:10:01 AM »
If anyone has a suggestion for a smaller starter it will help me out .I had to remove my c-6 due to a leak .Well anyone that has a 70s era truck with headers you know how tight a stock starter is with headers .I dropped my headers and after turning the starter got both out . Just curious if there is a smaller starter that would make this job easier .I believe these are Flo Tech headers and my starter is a factory reman .Thanks all Doug
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Re: Starter for 73 truck with headers
« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2023, 11:13:21 AM »
On a '68 model, I've had good success with a Powermaster.  They have several versions, I think mine is the Powermaster Mastertorque Starter 9606.  Mine is the black bodied one.  In my case it worked with Hooker headers where the factory starter wouldn't fit.  It is clock-able at the mounting face also, so it can be swung around for some adjustment with fit.

I also have one of the RobbMc mini starters as a spare, but haven't actually had it on the engine to verify; but I'm confident it will fit because it's small bodied (and by reputation is supposed to be a great option).

On second thought --- I was initially fairly certain I could get my starter in and out with the header still bolted on, but the only time I've needed to do so was when I was also removing the bell-housing.  So now I've got a little doubt as to whether or not I could just do a starter replacement by itself, I'd need to go have a look from the bottom side and refresh my memory.
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Re: Starter for 73 truck with headers
« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2023, 01:38:23 PM »
I had both Hedman and FlowTech long tube headers on the 390 in my 74 F350, and used the stock starter with both. In the 26 years I drove that truck, I only had 1 starter go bad, and yes, like most FE vehicles with headers, you need to remove, or at least unbolt the passenger side header to remove the starter. But, even with a mini starter,  it sure  looks like the header would need to come off to change it.
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manofmerc

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Re: Starter for 73 truck with headers
« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2023, 03:46:10 AM »
I am just making an attempt to make this an easier job in the future .The header and starter have to come out together .I lucked out on my reman starter it is a good one just thinking of the future .I will look at thepowermaster .I have one of those on my comet with good luck and it fit my hedmans good .Thanks for the comments .Doug

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Re: Starter for 73 truck with headers
« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2023, 04:42:35 AM »
+1 power master

There was a spot on my bbm block and a mock up 390 block that the power master hit i touched that area up on my block with a grinder (just need to bevel the out side edge a small amount) it let me rotate it even closer to the engine block and got me as far away from the heat off the pipes as i could get. 

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Re: Starter for 73 truck with headers
« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2023, 08:11:11 AM »
its hard to believe that its hard to get a starter on a truck with headers.a truck should have more room than my 66 comet.i can fish a factory starter up through my  hooker super comp header on my comet and get it on without messing with the header at all.and i still have the shock towers and  factory front suspension.
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Re: Starter for 73 truck with headers
« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2023, 08:45:39 AM »
On my 4x4 it isn't too tough, but you do have to pull a header and the pass side engine perch. 

I do like the Powermasters, I have one I use when I dyno on the local Superflow dyno, it works like a champ.  Both of my toys have factory style that haven't missed a beat, maybe I will switch someday LOL
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Re: Starter for 73 truck with headers
« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2023, 10:37:58 AM »
its hard to believe that its hard to get a starter on a truck with headers.a truck should have more room than my 66 comet.i can fish a factory starter up through my  hooker super comp header on my comet and get it on without messing with the header at all.and i still have the shock towers and  factory front suspension.

I had a '67 F100 that came with a 352, which I had upgraded to a 390. Used headers instead of the ridiculous cast manifolds. Hookers.
You couldn't get the starter out of that thing even with the headers loosened and pushed aside. And that massive crossmember at the collector location... Don't get me started!
I soldthe truck before giving in to the temptation of taking a plasma cutter to the thing.

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Re: Starter for 73 truck with headers
« Reply #8 on: December 02, 2023, 02:32:12 PM »
   before leaving for nam in 67 -i drove a 66 fairlane w/427 and jardine(sp?) headers a lot of miles cal./vir./missou/wis/ --starters were a challenge - on the road anyway- one pipe- cut and welded two bolt flanges (two) and made a s.s. heat shield clamped to pipe -- no problem after with shield/and extra room--- current 67 w/505inch with hooker 6376 big tube and slip fit and clocked powermaster not too bad even for real senior to change--only two ex. port bolts and starter bolts---pickup crossmember may need two flanged tubes but will elimate some nasty words--but still may require adult beverage or two       john-oldiron                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
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Re: Starter for 73 truck with headers
« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2023, 05:38:46 AM »
Mark hit the nail on the head you have to loosen the header and have the starter unbolted turn the starter and twist it out >then both will come out and that crossmember is a pain as well .If I didnt hate leaks I would have left it be .I have a comet with headers too it is easier to pull that one than this truck .All that aside looking at a powermaster #9106 later this week might get a chance to see one in person this week .Thanks for the responces Doug

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Re: Starter for 73 truck with headers
« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2023, 11:26:03 AM »
i have been fixing up my papaws 73 f250 lately. it sat for 15 years.it has factory 360 with factory exhaust.i had to replace the starter on it.it had a hole rusted through the bottom of it.i think i had it off in less than 10 minutes and put the new one  in about another 10 minutes.from reading all these posts,i dont think i will ever put headers on it.
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Re: Starter for 73 truck with headers
« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2023, 08:17:05 PM »
If you don`t care about performance, or better gas mileage, you really have no need for headers, especially if you are more concerned about replacing rusted out starters on non running vehicles every 15 years or so. However, I have been running, building, racing,and driving FE ( and other Ford V8 powered vehicles) with headers since the mid 70s, and in about 50 years of doing so, I doubt that I have ever replaced a bad starter more than 6 or 7 times, over maybe 40 different vehicles, in all that time. So you have to weigh to options, of better performance and gas mileage for 15 or 20 years, of regular use, vs the potential to having to change a starter in that same time frame, that may add an additional hour or 2. Of course, that is assuming that the exhaust manifolds can stay on, without cracking or leaking, during that time. On my old 74 F350, I switched from exhaust manifolds to headers, after having the 3rd factory cast iron exhaust manifold crack over a period of less than 3 years. Now, the fact that I used the truck for hauling heavy loads, likely contributed to the exhaust manifolds failing, but after installing the headers, I drove the truck for another 23 or 24 years, and had no more issues. I did replace the starter about 14 years afterwards, and yes, I did need to remove the passenger side header to change the starter, but that inconvenience was pretty minor, compared to the benefits of the headers.
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Re: Starter for 73 truck with headers
« Reply #12 on: December 04, 2023, 03:32:02 AM »
As can be expected headers have always made my fe powered trucks run better .It seems they just have a better power band .I never realized better fuel economy but the power increase was there .But they are a pain .With a manual transmisson they are a bit easier to install but they are tight with a c-6.Doug

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Re: Starter for 73 truck with headers
« Reply #13 on: December 04, 2023, 12:31:19 PM »
Are you guys talking 2-wheel drive trucks or 4-wheel drive? My son has a 2 wheel F250 camper special and we built a 390 for it, with C6 and have the flo-tech (I think?) long tube headers. Sounds like the starter could be fun...  just looking at it from what I remember, seemed like it had all kinds of room under the hood, but maybe not underneath...
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Re: Starter for 73 truck with headers
« Reply #14 on: December 04, 2023, 03:33:22 PM »
i also have driven and raced fe powered cars since the 70s,and i have put headers on every one,but my truck is a low milage,factory cream puff and i dont use it for heavy work,so that is one of the reasons i believe i will leave it stock exhaust.i think i have a couple sets of hookers in my barn loft, fairlane,comet,well used but still not rusted out.i have a new set on my comet
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