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FERoadster

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Jay: Possible VC style for your production
« on: December 21, 2022, 10:46:25 PM »
Fellow on HAMB just got a near pristine 61 Starliner. He does not have the Thunderbird Block lettered VC's. I've got an excellent set of Chromed ones (peeling chrome) that he wants to buy. But before I sell them do you want to get a mold? Not sure if anyone re-pops these
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Re: Jay: Possible VC style for your production
« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2022, 10:24:06 AM »
Those are stamped steel.  It's not just an "ask Jay to make a mold and produce" type of part.
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Re: Jay: Possible VC style for your production
« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2022, 10:50:07 AM »
I've thought about doing something like those in cast aluminum, but in order to justify the tooling cost I'd have to sell at least 50 sets just to break even.  I don't think the market is big enough.  Besides, I'm having difficulties getting anything at all cast these days, so to take on another valve cover project just isn't in the cards.  Thanks anyway for thinking of me Richard - Jay
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- 1969 Mach 1, Drag Week 2005 Winner NA/BB, 511" FE (10.60s @ 129); Drag Week 2007 Runner-Up PA/BB, 490" Supercharged FE (9.35 @ 151)
- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC

   

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Re: Jay: Possible VC style for your production
« Reply #3 on: December 22, 2022, 04:22:18 PM »
Back when he first decided to make valve covers, I suggested baldies vs pentroof style.
There are many made to look like his but no cast baldies.
I would buy ten sets for resale just to get the ball rolling.
Heck, I’ve probably advertised the clear valve covers (accidentally) more than anyone else. I’d take 20 sets of those.
Literally, people on my page are begging for the clear valve covers.

Not knocking Jay, he has a life and other projects. Just putting it out there.

I just get messages probably 15-20 times a month asking if I’d sell mine.

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Re: Jay: Possible VC style for your production
« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2022, 05:56:17 PM »
The problem with the clear valve covers is that they take forever to make.  The aluminum rails around the clear valve cover part take a full 24 hours to machine for each pair.  That's 3 days, if you include machine time and setup time.  Nobody else is doing sets like mine because they would have to sell them for $900 per pair to make money at it.  When I have time on my smaller CNC machine, I will do them, but I don't have time in the forseeable future; buried in making SOHC rocker arm sets, and FE Power rocker arm sets, plus the stands that mount the FE Power rockers.  When I get a break in the action Drew, I will get back in touch with you about buying 20 sets.  Maybe we can make a deal...
Jay Brown
- 1969 Mach 1, Drag Week 2005 Winner NA/BB, 511" FE (10.60s @ 129); Drag Week 2007 Runner-Up PA/BB, 490" Supercharged FE (9.35 @ 151)
- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC

   

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Re: Jay: Possible VC style for your production
« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2022, 09:21:40 PM »
Oh I get it. Hence me saying not knocking you, I totally understand. Always too many irons in the fire.

I can build a great c6 for someone, but I won’t….
Simply do not have the time to shift gears so to speak.

Love your stuff, keep it up. I do think with a few posts I may have inadvertently hyped up your timing covers too recently due to a customer’s engine.

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Re: Jay: Possible VC style for your production
« Reply #6 on: December 24, 2022, 09:14:42 AM »
Any way to stamp or laser cut the rails for the covers? CNC ing them does eat up a bunch of machine time
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Re: Jay: Possible VC style for your production
« Reply #7 on: December 24, 2022, 02:00:17 PM »
The rails are two pieces of 3/8" aluminum bolted together around the periphery.  I found that anything lighter than that, even two 1/4" pieces bolted together, were not rigid enough.  In addition, to bolt them together you need to drill and tap 22 holes in the bottom section, and drill and counterbore the same number of holes in the top section.  Couple that with any major stamping tool costing big bucks, and its  not really a practical solution.
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- 1969 Mach 1, Drag Week 2005 Winner NA/BB, 511" FE (10.60s @ 129); Drag Week 2007 Runner-Up PA/BB, 490" Supercharged FE (9.35 @ 151)
- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC

   

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Re: Jay: Possible VC style for your production
« Reply #8 on: December 25, 2022, 08:40:49 AM »
 I know that when ever I have my 56 F100 out at a cruise and the hood is up, I get a lot of questions about them. let it idle and people do a double take when they see it. I have to rev it a little to show the oil splash. The other thing have I on it is a clear cover on the dual carb Setup. People are shocked when they see it. I really would like to find a clear distributor cap for a stock  dist or a Mallory dist.  So far no color change in the covers. I still have to put the light kit in them. Whenever Jay makes more clear covers for the FE I will be on the list.

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Re: Jay: Possible VC style for your production
« Reply #9 on: December 25, 2022, 11:55:43 AM »
How about laser cut stainless rails, cut and drilled from an outside vendor at a reasonable price.
1955 Thunderbird Competition Coupe Altered Chassis "War Bird" 383 Lincoln Y block 520 hp
1955 Thunderbird 292 275 hp Y Block
1956 Ford Victoria 292 Y block

1957 Mercury 2dr Wagon "Battle Wagon" drag car 
1957 Thunderbird Glass body Tube Chassis drag car 333 cu in 500 hp Ford Y block
1961 Starliner 390/375 clone
1965 GT40 tribute w/FE
1966 Falcon Pro Touring project
Kaase Boss 547. 840 HP 698 Torque  pump gas
1992 BMW V-12 5.0
2001 Lincoln 5.4 4 cam.
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Re: Jay: Possible VC style for your production
« Reply #10 on: December 26, 2022, 06:26:23 AM »
 Royce, have you ever seen the amount of waste a plasma cutter generates? At the price of SST and AL you would not get a decent payback on the parts you're making. The valve cover rails would generate alot of waste unless you could combine another part at the same time to use up the inner blanks that would result. I go through this at my shop.

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Re: Jay: Possible VC style for your production
« Reply #11 on: December 26, 2022, 10:31:15 AM »
Garry is correct, Royce, that approach would be really expensive.  I do start with some of the top sections of the rails on my clear valve covers cut from inside the outline of the bottom rail, so that helps, but even so it doesn't make sense.  I start with a 6" X 28" piece of stock for each valve cover.  I can get five of those out of a stock 1/4" thick X 144" long piece of stainless.  My local metals distributor charges $360 for the 144" 304 stainless piece, so that means each pair of valve covers could cost $144 just in the metals material.  Never mind the laser cutting cost, drilling, tapping, and chamfering cost, etc.  Oh, and let's not forget about the cost of the Lexan, plus vacuum forming it and cutting the holes in it, and then assembling the whole works, which is not a trivial task.

I looked at all this when I started making these things years ago, and the way I'm doing it is the most cost effective.  The billet aluminum, which has to be thicker, is still a lot less expensive than the stainless.  Even so, I was practically giving the clear valve covers away at $300 per pair for the plain ones, and around $375 per pair for the ones with the breathers installed.  With all the price increases in the 6061 billet aluminum that I use now, I'll probably have to go to $450 - $500 per pair if I ever do it again.  The guys who got on board early were the ones who were the winners on this deal.
Jay Brown
- 1969 Mach 1, Drag Week 2005 Winner NA/BB, 511" FE (10.60s @ 129); Drag Week 2007 Runner-Up PA/BB, 490" Supercharged FE (9.35 @ 151)
- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC

   

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Re: Jay: Possible VC style for your production
« Reply #12 on: December 26, 2022, 11:14:19 AM »
i messed up.i was on the early list but i could not swing it when the covers got ready due to my wifes failing health[passed away 7 weeks ago].if you ever do make any more i would like to get back on the list,for i have big plans for my car now that i dont have much to do.i was married 34 years before she passed last month.its a lonely empty feeling when you loose a spouse of 34 years
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Re: Jay: Possible VC style for your production
« Reply #13 on: December 26, 2022, 12:06:12 PM »
Sorry to hear about your wife.  I will keep you in mind for a set - Jay
Jay Brown
- 1969 Mach 1, Drag Week 2005 Winner NA/BB, 511" FE (10.60s @ 129); Drag Week 2007 Runner-Up PA/BB, 490" Supercharged FE (9.35 @ 151)
- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC

   

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Re: Jay: Possible VC style for your production
« Reply #14 on: December 26, 2022, 07:52:17 PM »
Jay, Thermoforming Vacuum molds produce very accurate parts, I was involved in making them for 2 years.

If formed with 1/4" Lexan do you still need the 1/4" aluminum reinforcement, all the way around?

Could you do a pair of large SS or, alum washers at each bolt hole?
Frank