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The Real McCoy

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Re: FAST - Factory Appearing Stock Tire Class - What to build?
« Reply #45 on: August 18, 2021, 07:56:42 AM »
Corvette L88 breakdown is as follows....,

1967 is 20.
1968 is 80.
1969 is 116.

Total L88 production for 1967 to 1969 is 216.

1969 ZL1 production is 2, this is the aluminum block "L88".

How are we supposed to mess up the internet with flawed information with you here? ;D


Geez Joel, I’m really sorry for pointing out your minor infraction. I spent quite a bit of time on the dark side until I figured out these old Galaxie’s are more fun than Corvettes. My 30 year collection of Corvette Black Books made it pretty easy to point out your little error. Maybe a point of interest is a 69 Corvette coupe base price was $4781.00, add in a L88 for $1032.15 and if you have a lot of extra cash the ZL-1 option (aluminum block L88 version) would cost you a mere $4718.35.

When you start throwing out facts on MOPAR’s, Duesenberg’s or even Maytag’s you will probably notice I will be very quiet and won’t be making any corrections. LOL
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Re: FAST - Factory Appearing Stock Tire Class - What to build?
« Reply #46 on: August 18, 2021, 10:07:43 AM »
Could you go down to your local Ford dealer, and order a new Cobra, or was it through a special dealer only?

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Re: FAST - Factory Appearing Stock Tire Class - What to build?
« Reply #47 on: August 18, 2021, 10:57:10 AM »
They are getting over 800 HP at the wheels now with this Hemi at 820 @9000 RPM.     https://youtu.be/Kcuhbjw9if4
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Re: FAST - Factory Appearing Stock Tire Class - What to build?
« Reply #48 on: August 18, 2021, 11:41:01 AM »
With a medium riser 427 punched out to 530-540 cubes, I would assume the same results could be had. You'd have as much money into it as a super stock engine though.

I'm afraid I would spend my money in a different manner.....somebody on here should do it though!  ;D
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Re: FAST - Factory Appearing Stock Tire Class - What to build?
« Reply #49 on: August 18, 2021, 11:57:51 AM »

Now why can't the 65-67 427 Cobras run in FAST? There were a total of 206 427 Cobras built.  There were only 216 L-88 Corvettes built from1967-69.  Only 2 1969 Z-L1 Corvettes were built.

The Cobras are not considered a muscle car by class rules. There was a lot more than 2 69 L88's built. 214 between 68-69. '67 was the year of only 2
I don't understand why the Cobras are barred from the series,if it's not considered a musclecar why is the Corvette?They raced in the same classes in drag racing and road racing.The top end Corvettes were no more affordable than a top end Cobra.If the Corvette were excluded then I could see the reasoning,but singling out the Cobra makes it appear as if they are just ruling out a car that they know has the potential to dominate the series.kind of reminds you of Nascar in the Big Bill France days.
I have to agree and while the Cobra's are lighter the BBC has many more cubes available, over the FE.

FAST doesn't want to become another NHRA, does it, like it did in cutting out the 385?
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Re: FAST - Factory Appearing Stock Tire Class - What to build?
« Reply #50 on: August 18, 2021, 12:42:28 PM »
The Cobra is excluded because it wasn't built on a factory assembly line. They were hand built cars. The Corvette went down an assembly line just like a boring Impala, or Nova. The rules basically say it must be a production vehicle, that wasn't some special option, no one knew about, and had to go through hoops to get it. The Aluminum block ZL-1 WAS advertised as a option on the cars. Just were not many made, as that option was very expensive in the day.

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Re: FAST - Factory Appearing Stock Tire Class - What to build?
« Reply #51 on: August 18, 2021, 01:19:10 PM »
Still, they competed directly against each other in SCCA and at the drags and like the L 88 & ZL 1, all you had to do, is have the money to buy one and it was yours.

Now, if you had a rule that said a minimum of 1000 cars had to be made, I could see excluding cars because they were "special".

Even 1000 cars isn't very many cars, in a Big 3 line up.

That said, it is JMO and I don't race in the organization but, it does seem a little unfair.
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Re: FAST - Factory Appearing Stock Tire Class - What to build?
« Reply #52 on: August 18, 2021, 01:22:39 PM »
I would think that ever if a 427 Cobra was allowed, I doubt that a fiberglass replica would be acceptable. Are the Corvettes required to retain the factory IRS? If so, and the Cobra needed to retain it's original IRS, I doubt that would be a good thing, especially with a 4 speed. Could be tough finding a real Cobra owner willing to make a race car out of his Million $+ investment.
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Re: FAST - Factory Appearing Stock Tire Class - What to build?
« Reply #53 on: August 19, 2021, 05:07:54 AM »
Are the Corvettes required to retain the factory IRS?

Yes they are. That is another thing about FAST, cars must retain factory suspension. No slapper bars, or Cal Trac type bars allowed. Cars must look like they just rolled out of the dealer showroom.

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Re: FAST - Factory Appearing Stock Tire Class - What to build?
« Reply #54 on: August 19, 2021, 07:40:02 AM »
FAST doesn't want to become another NHRA, does it, like it did in cutting out the 385?


FAST cut out the 385?

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Re: FAST - Factory Appearing Stock Tire Class - What to build?
« Reply #55 on: August 19, 2021, 01:10:44 PM »
FAST doesn't want to become another NHRA, does it, like it did in cutting out the 385?


FAST cut out the 385?

Nope.

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Re: FAST - Factory Appearing Stock Tire Class - What to build?
« Reply #56 on: August 19, 2021, 02:58:32 PM »
My statement about the 385, was only a analogy of what the NHRA did, to hold back Fords performance (limiting bore centers, while not saying it was eliminating Ford) in drag racing and not that FAST was banning the 385.

Sorry for the confusion.
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Re: FAST - Factory Appearing Stock Tire Class - What to build?
« Reply #57 on: August 22, 2021, 02:01:17 PM »

Now why can't the 65-67 427 Cobras run in FAST? There were a total of 206 427 Cobras built.  There were only 216 L-88 Corvettes built from1967-69.  Only 2 1969 Z-L1 Corvettes were built.

The Cobras are not considered a muscle car by class rules. There was a lot more than 2 69 L88's built. 214 between 68-69. '67 was the year of only 2
I don't understand why the Cobras are barred from the series,if it's not considered a musclecar why is the Corvette?They raced in the same classes in drag racing and road racing.The top end Corvettes were no more affordable than a top end Cobra.If the Corvette were excluded then I could see the reasoning,but singling out the Cobra makes it appear as if they are just ruling out a car that they know has the potential to dominate the series.kind of reminds you of Nascar in the Big Bill France days.

Because it for American cars only. Foreign built cars do not qualify as muscle cars in the FAST rules.

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Re: FAST - Factory Appearing Stock Tire Class - What to build?
« Reply #58 on: September 26, 2021, 11:51:57 AM »
Do you really need slicks?  The boys will be in Maryland Oct. 22-23

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Re: FAST - Factory Appearing Stock Tire Class - What to build?
« Reply #59 on: October 09, 2021, 12:13:18 AM »
What track will they be at?

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