Dyno’d the 352 again today, with a BT MR 8V this time....

[blykins]

I don't think the intake doesn't really cares if you are making 465 peak hp with a 352 at 6800 rpm, or 465 peak hp with a 427 at 6000 rpm.   I mean everything makes some kind of difference, but not much at peak hp here.

Jay tried this intake on engines ranging from 407 hp to 645 hp. 

pl

I think I'd have to disagree with that, as wave harmonics depend on the rpm range, displacement, etc. 

Either way, I'll have to come up with another game plan.  It will either be an intake change or a cam change.  If it's an intake change, I'd probably follow Frank's suggestion and see if I could borrow a TW, although I hate borrowing guys' $$$ intakes.

So you think the intake would be affected significantly (peak hp?) on two different cid/rpm combos making otherwise similar hp?

pl

Would be affected, or would affect?  LOL 

Yes, I do think it would affect.

I guess I should have said ,"would the function of the intake (manifold) be affected by the differences in the two combos which otherwise make similar hp."

Or you can be intentionally daft and argumentative.   

pl

I wasn't trying to be argumentative, I just didn't know what you were referring to.  Don't be a big girl. 

But yes, I think the function of the intake manifold is affected by the difference in the two combos which otherwise would make similar hp. 

[plovett]

I have a ported Dove TW you can borrow.

pl

I sure appreciate it, but the way my heads and block have been cut, I'm sure the intake would need to be cut too.   Plus, with my luck, UPS/FedEx would lose it. 

I think I'm gonna try a cam swap first before I try different intakes.  I don't have experience with camming FE's this size for this kind of hp/rpm and comparing the cam to the ones I use in my 351C's, I have quite a bit more overlap. 

I think with some creativity, I can swap cams without pulling the intake.

Did your BT 2x4 need to be cut to fit?   Just wondering as those pretty pricey to be chopping up.

pl

[plovett]

I don't think the intake doesn't really cares if you are making 465 peak hp with a 352 at 6800 rpm, or 465 peak hp with a 427 at 6000 rpm.   I mean everything makes some kind of difference, but not much at peak hp here.

Jay tried this intake on engines ranging from 407 hp to 645 hp. 

pl

I think I'd have to disagree with that, as wave harmonics depend on the rpm range, displacement, etc. 

Either way, I'll have to come up with another game plan.  It will either be an intake change or a cam change.  If it's an intake change, I'd probably follow Frank's suggestion and see if I could borrow a TW, although I hate borrowing guys' $$$ intakes.

So you think the intake would be affected significantly (peak hp?) on two different cid/rpm combos making otherwise similar hp?

pl

Would be affected, or would affect?  LOL 

Yes, I do think it would affect.

I guess I should have said ,"would the function of the intake (manifold) be affected by the differences in the two combos which otherwise make similar hp."

Or you can be intentionally daft and argumentative.   

pl

I wasn't trying to be argumentative, I just didn't know what you were referring to.  Don't be a big girl. 

But yes, I think the function of the intake manifold is affected by the difference in the two combos which otherwise would make similar hp.

I am pretty sure you would disagree no matter what I said.  But the offer still to borrow the TW still stands.

pl

[blykins]

I have a ported Dove TW you can borrow.

pl

I sure appreciate it, but the way my heads and block have been cut, I'm sure the intake would need to be cut too.   Plus, with my luck, UPS/FedEx would lose it. 

I think I'm gonna try a cam swap first before I try different intakes.  I don't have experience with camming FE's this size for this kind of hp/rpm and comparing the cam to the ones I use in my 351C's, I have quite a bit more overlap. 

I think with some creativity, I can swap cams without pulling the intake.

Did your BT 2x4 need to be cut to fit?   Just wondering as those pretty pricey to be chopping up.

pl

Yes, needed .060" cut off.  But I'm usually whacking .060" off of intakes for most builds.  Haven't used a Performer RPM yet that didn't need whacked.

[blykins]

I don't think the intake doesn't really cares if you are making 465 peak hp with a 352 at 6800 rpm, or 465 peak hp with a 427 at 6000 rpm.   I mean everything makes some kind of difference, but not much at peak hp here.

Jay tried this intake on engines ranging from 407 hp to 645 hp. 

pl

I think I'd have to disagree with that, as wave harmonics depend on the rpm range, displacement, etc. 

Either way, I'll have to come up with another game plan.  It will either be an intake change or a cam change.  If it's an intake change, I'd probably follow Frank's suggestion and see if I could borrow a TW, although I hate borrowing guys' $$$ intakes.

So you think the intake would be affected significantly (peak hp?) on two different cid/rpm combos making otherwise similar hp?

pl

Would be affected, or would affect?  LOL 

Yes, I do think it would affect.

I guess I should have said ,"would the function of the intake (manifold) be affected by the differences in the two combos which otherwise make similar hp."

Or you can be intentionally daft and argumentative.   

pl

I wasn't trying to be argumentative, I just didn't know what you were referring to.  Don't be a big girl. 

But yes, I think the function of the intake manifold is affected by the difference in the two combos which otherwise would make similar hp.

I am pretty sure you would disagree no matter what I said.  But the offer still to borrow the TW still stands.

pl

Not true.  If you said you were a big girl, I'd agree wholeheartedly. 

Some engines need a lot more rpm than others to make the same horsepower and it's usually the small engines.   Likewise, a runner/port opening that's a straight shot at the valve, or a runner that's the correct length for the rpm range is very important. 

Thanks for the offer again, but I'd hate to risk getting it here safely and then find out I can't use it.

[plovett]

I don't think the intake doesn't really cares if you are making 465 peak hp with a 352 at 6800 rpm, or 465 peak hp with a 427 at 6000 rpm.   I mean everything makes some kind of difference, but not much at peak hp here.

Jay tried this intake on engines ranging from 407 hp to 645 hp. 

pl

I think I'd have to disagree with that, as wave harmonics depend on the rpm range, displacement, etc. 

Either way, I'll have to come up with another game plan.  It will either be an intake change or a cam change.  If it's an intake change, I'd probably follow Frank's suggestion and see if I could borrow a TW, although I hate borrowing guys' $$$ intakes.

So you think the intake would be affected significantly (peak hp?) on two different cid/rpm combos making otherwise similar hp?

pl

Would be affected, or would affect?  LOL 

Yes, I do think it would affect.

I guess I should have said ,"would the function of the intake (manifold) be affected by the differences in the two combos which otherwise make similar hp."

Or you can be intentionally daft and argumentative.   

pl

I wasn't trying to be argumentative, I just didn't know what you were referring to.  Don't be a big girl. 

But yes, I think the function of the intake manifold is affected by the difference in the two combos which otherwise would make similar hp.

I am pretty sure you would disagree no matter what I said.  But the offer still to borrow the TW still stands.

pl

Not true.  If you said you were a big girl, I'd agree wholeheartedly. 

Well you've never met me.  Maybe I AM a big girl. 

paulina

[blykins]

I don't think the intake doesn't really cares if you are making 465 peak hp with a 352 at 6800 rpm, or 465 peak hp with a 427 at 6000 rpm.   I mean everything makes some kind of difference, but not much at peak hp here.

Jay tried this intake on engines ranging from 407 hp to 645 hp. 

pl

I think I'd have to disagree with that, as wave harmonics depend on the rpm range, displacement, etc. 

Either way, I'll have to come up with another game plan.  It will either be an intake change or a cam change.  If it's an intake change, I'd probably follow Frank's suggestion and see if I could borrow a TW, although I hate borrowing guys' $$$ intakes.

So you think the intake would be affected significantly (peak hp?) on two different cid/rpm combos making otherwise similar hp?

pl

Would be affected, or would affect?  LOL 

Yes, I do think it would affect.

I guess I should have said ,"would the function of the intake (manifold) be affected by the differences in the two combos which otherwise make similar hp."

Or you can be intentionally daft and argumentative.   

pl

I wasn't trying to be argumentative, I just didn't know what you were referring to.  Don't be a big girl. 

But yes, I think the function of the intake manifold is affected by the difference in the two combos which otherwise would make similar hp.

I am pretty sure you would disagree no matter what I said.  But the offer still to borrow the TW still stands.

pl

Not true.  If you said you were a big girl, I'd agree wholeheartedly. 

Well you've never met me.  Maybe I AM a big girl. 

paulina

I agree.

[frnkeore]

Sorry, what I meant was a Tunnel Ram.

[blykins]

Sorry, what I meant was a Tunnel Ram.

If I had a set of mech secondary carbs, I could be persuaded into trying one on one of Jay's adapters.  Having to keep buying 2x4 carbs gets expensive....

[blykins]

BTW, Drew did a good job on the carbs.  Just needed a half turn on the mixture screws.

[Gregwill16]

Brent, the offer still stands on a factory TW and 660's right down the road.

[blykins]

Brent, the offer still stands on a factory TW and 660's right down the road.

Much obliged, Greg.  Same with Paulie, I just don't like borrowing $$$ intakes and I'm pretty sure it would need to be cut to fit. 

Let me try this new cam when I get it and we will go from there.

[plovett]

I don't think the intake doesn't really cares if you are making 465 peak hp with a 352 at 6800 rpm, or 465 peak hp with a 427 at 6000 rpm.   I mean everything makes some kind of difference, but not much at peak hp here.

Jay tried this intake on engines ranging from 407 hp to 645 hp. 

pl

I think I'd have to disagree with that, as wave harmonics depend on the rpm range, displacement, etc. 

Either way, I'll have to come up with another game plan.  It will either be an intake change or a cam change.  If it's an intake change, I'd probably follow Frank's suggestion and see if I could borrow a TW, although I hate borrowing guys' $$$ intakes.

So you think the intake would be affected significantly (peak hp?) on two different cid/rpm combos making otherwise similar hp?

pl

Would be affected, or would affect?  LOL 

Yes, I do think it would affect.

I guess I should have said ,"would the function of the intake (manifold) be affected by the differences in the two combos which otherwise make similar hp."

Or you can be intentionally daft and argumentative.   

pl

I wasn't trying to be argumentative, I just didn't know what you were referring to.  Don't be a big girl. 

But yes, I think the function of the intake manifold is affected by the difference in the two combos which otherwise would make similar hp.

I am pretty sure you would disagree no matter what I said.  But the offer still to borrow the TW still stands.

pl

Not true.  If you said you were a big girl, I'd agree wholeheartedly. 

Well you've never met me.  Maybe I AM a big girl. 

paulina

I agree.

Finally.   Now what difference in intake manifold design do you think the small and large engine making the same power at different rpms would need?

[blykins]

I don't think the intake doesn't really cares if you are making 465 peak hp with a 352 at 6800 rpm, or 465 peak hp with a 427 at 6000 rpm.   I mean everything makes some kind of difference, but not much at peak hp here.

Jay tried this intake on engines ranging from 407 hp to 645 hp. 

pl

I think I'd have to disagree with that, as wave harmonics depend on the rpm range, displacement, etc. 

Either way, I'll have to come up with another game plan.  It will either be an intake change or a cam change.  If it's an intake change, I'd probably follow Frank's suggestion and see if I could borrow a TW, although I hate borrowing guys' $$$ intakes.

So you think the intake would be affected significantly (peak hp?) on two different cid/rpm combos making otherwise similar hp?

pl

Would be affected, or would affect?  LOL 

Yes, I do think it would affect.

I guess I should have said ,"would the function of the intake (manifold) be affected by the differences in the two combos which otherwise make similar hp."

Or you can be intentionally daft and argumentative.   

pl

I wasn't trying to be argumentative, I just didn't know what you were referring to.  Don't be a big girl. 

But yes, I think the function of the intake manifold is affected by the difference in the two combos which otherwise would make similar hp.

I am pretty sure you would disagree no matter what I said.  But the offer still to borrow the TW still stands.

pl

Not true.  If you said you were a big girl, I'd agree wholeheartedly. 

Well you've never met me.  Maybe I AM a big girl. 

paulina

I agree.

Finally.   Now what difference in intake manifold design do you think the small and large engine making the same power at different rpms would need?

Runner length, plane design, plenum shape. 

[turbohunter]

You two are hilarious with your quoting.