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Drew Pojedinec

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Re: expansion plugs in oil galleys
« Reply #30 on: December 18, 2018, 04:29:16 PM »
Ross you are describing cavitation, I don't think it'd be as much of an issue with gas engine cylinder walls.
Either way, when air is in the system it'll collapse the the depression can poke holes in things.

We fight this with certain diesels as they can blow pinholes in the liners over time, normally an SCA additive fixes the issue.

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Re: expansion plugs in oil galleys
« Reply #31 on: December 18, 2018, 04:43:08 PM »
Ross you are describing cavitation, I don't think it'd be as much of an issue with gas engine cylinder walls.
Either way, when air is in the system it'll collapse the the depression can poke holes in things.

We fight this with certain diesels as they can blow pinholes in the liners over time, normally an SCA additive fixes the issue.

Exactly, thanks, and yes, like I said I didn't think the issue happened at the compression ratio a gas engine ran, but there still can be localized heating and an air bound engine during a fill can certainly put a shock in a system

In the end, I really have never seen a good plug push out, I have seen them pushed out when frozen (and usually take the block with it) but trying to look for some possible explanation for discussion.  To me, plug failures like have a reason  and not pressure
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RustyCrankshaft

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Re: expansion plugs in oil galleys
« Reply #32 on: December 19, 2018, 03:35:38 AM »
As Drew mentioned, the cavitation erosion you see on some diesels isn't as common in gas engines although it can happen. The other thing to consider, is that just like in the oil system the cooling system is exposed to pressure spikes and the core plugs are exposed to more than the 14psi system pressure at times. With a good water pump and high RPM you can see 30+ psi in the block and pressure spikes depending on what type of thermostat you run. I really dislike the normal "disk" style thermostat. A rolling sleeve style is both better at controlling temp, but they also don't slam shut and pop open like a typical thermostat will.

A properly sized cup/welch plug shouldn't come out, but in more demanding uses they can fail.

I've never used JB weld for a sealer, but I have used Permatex aviation sealer or something similar (whatever I had handy). I always figured it would be hard to hurt anything with the sealer and it might help.

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Re: expansion plugs in oil galleys
« Reply #33 on: December 19, 2018, 09:11:40 PM »
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