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Re: Novice mistake, I forgot the tranny to engine spacer
« Reply #15 on: April 20, 2017, 12:58:18 PM »
Interesting, I had always assumed that all the FEs with the long shaft "Follow Thru" starter, with the Bendix starter drive at the very end, came without block plates. So, was 62 the last year of no block plate? Or could it possibly be an automatic vs standard transmission issue? I had always thought that the block plates started being used when the later short shaft starters came out, I believe in 1965.
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Re: Novice mistake, I forgot the tranny to engine spacer
« Reply #16 on: April 20, 2017, 01:44:53 PM »
my 64 have  block plate



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Re: Novice mistake, I forgot the tranny to engine spacer
« Reply #17 on: April 20, 2017, 06:23:00 PM »
my 62 COM has no block plate. 63 & 64 both auto & stick used the same plate. It does help locate the starter & gives the bottom cover a lip to seal against. If I had the motor & tranny together in the car, I would not be afraid to use washers the same thickness as the plate on the end of the starter bolts & see how the starter sounds & works. May not even need washers. Starters were just in the bell on 62 & earlier. When it's time for a clutch, then I would put it back in. You could always find another spacer plate & cut the starter ring off & put it between the starter & bell.
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Re: Novice mistake, I forgot the tranny to engine spacer
« Reply #18 on: April 20, 2017, 06:30:00 PM »
Just a thought & maybe a bad one. Could you cut the plate in half, slide the trans off the dowels and slip it in from each side/top, bottom?
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Re: Novice mistake, I forgot the tranny to engine spacer
« Reply #19 on: April 20, 2017, 08:15:08 PM »
I forgot the spacer between the engine and tranny in my '66 F100. I've been thinking of the best way to get it in there and pulling back the tranny seems like the best way to go. The downfall is how greasy it is and that I'm not too strong. I think I'll put the hoist through the door and use nylon straps to support it.

I'm having a problem with snapping bolts as I was installing the pressure plate. I torqued them to 25 lbs. should I use locktite on them?
Pictured is an October 17, 1957 cast iron and an aluminum bell housing from a 66 F100 C.O.M. They both appear to be cut the same but the 58's starter pocket is .100" further across or .050" closer to the bolt holes. The new starter and bell have a lot of slop there. If you did decide to leave out the plate I think you would regret it. Last fall a man bought a plate that suposedly cured a starter to flywheel problem.



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Re: Novice mistake, I forgot the tranny to engine spacer
« Reply #20 on: April 20, 2017, 09:34:14 PM »
Don't worry, I'm putting it in. I have thought about cutting the center bottom out and sliding it down from the top. The problem with that is the firewall overhang and the dowel spacers.

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Re: Novice mistake, I forgot the tranny to engine spacer
« Reply #21 on: April 21, 2017, 08:17:14 AM »
I have been through this before but only because a prior owner did not install it. This was in an automatic but same principal. My opinion is that you probably can get away with out spacing it. The spacer would move the transmission back but will not change where the bendix engages the flywheel. The flywheel locates off the crank. Spacer or not the starter will be flush with the plane of the rear of the block as long as the transmission mates to the rear of the block as it should.  As long as there are not interference issues I think it would be fine. BUT if you can make one or use washers then do it.
 
HOWEVER, like others mentioned the plate does locate the starter. Not having it located will cause issues. I found out the error when a starter went bad and we replaced it. Then it would not engage. This was the second starter for the truck, when I bought it we had to buy one and put it on and somehow my buddy got it right on the money(unaware/not mechanical) and it worked for two years. When I did the second one my luck did not pan out so well. I
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The FIX, my old man(bless his soul) was a tool maker: I will never forget this: He said: " If damned Ford engineers did their job right, everything should located and center off those three holes" so he scratched his head and came up with an idea.  The locating issue comes from the starter housing bolt holes. They are "loose". Everything else the bolts go into will center/tighten. So what we did was find some bushings. Tight on the hole in the housing and tight on the bolt. By doing this it brings everything into line/center.  It worked like a charm and lasted until I blew the motor a few years later.

It is not perfect but it beats pulling an engine out. He had the bushings so no help in telling you where you can get them. Just trying to throw another idea out there for you.  ;) 8)

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Re: Novice mistake, I forgot the tranny to engine spacer
« Reply #22 on: May 01, 2017, 09:21:56 PM »
Well I finally got that spacer in. It was easy getting the tranny out but I had to get a friend to help with alignment getting it back together. Now I just need to get my new exhaust hung and commence with the cam break in. Does everyone have that feeling of dread when starting up a new engine? Or is it just me?