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My427stang

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Re: Couple of easy build questions
« Reply #45 on: December 13, 2024, 08:28:32 AM »
Do they make any kind of industrial paint slathering for the outside of these porous aftermarket blocks?  Whoops, did I say that out loud?

Makes me sad to think I have a FAST build coming up and a truck puller and need to buy at least one more. 

Do they make any kind of industrial paint slathering for the outside of these porous aftermarket blocks?  Whoops, did I say that out loud?

Opening another can of worms here ;D. I use 3 coats PPG Epoxi primer outside the block to seal the pores
not sweating of oil or lifted paint for many years. And i also grade of all sharp corners beacuse the paint tend to creap away
from sharp corners. And thats on porous stock blocks never had an aftermarket block and probably will never have one



When I do the concours paint, I use PPG JP375 primer, thinned as their instructions to use as a sealer/adhesion coat not a surfacer.  I just have no desire to go back and sand and it would look wrong for a concours build.  Tricky thing on 375 is you have to let it sit in the cup or gun for 5-10 minutes (depends on whose instructions you use) for the hardener to activate before spraying.  However, most guys like to mix and go, myself included, so I have to walk around the shop, comtemplate life, wipe it down again with a tack cloth, etc.   ;D

Of course I did paint this one with bare metal under the water pump :) but note how the bypass hose, stainless clamps, PCV rubber lines, all get paint if you did it like the factory did. 

This one was bare iron, cleaned with cheap thinner, then PPG grease and oil remover, then tacked, JP375 (which is also an etching primer), then 15 minute later topcoat with PPG single stage urethane



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- 70 Fastback Mustang, 489 cid FE, Victor, SEFI, Erson SFT cam, TKO-600 5 speed, 4.11 9 inch.
- 71 F100 shortbed 4x4, 461 cid FE, headers, Victor Pro-flo EFI, Comp Custom HFT cam, 3.50 9 inch

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Re: Couple of easy build questions
« Reply #46 on: December 13, 2024, 12:10:30 PM »
I always figured that if you needed paint in the valley to retain debris - you did not clean it well enough.


     The consideration here is for that foreign material/particulate which is entrapped within the casting surfaces as a byproduct of the manufacturing process, and then also any material that may be lodged in the surface structure through impingement, particularly for example any media blasting event; and it is often not possible to  thoroughly remove this material in one's typical cleaning processes (nylon brushes w/ solvents, soap & water) even with the best of efforts.   :)

     Scott.

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Re: Couple of easy build questions
« Reply #47 on: December 13, 2024, 12:46:01 PM »
I always figured that if you needed paint in the valley to retain debris - you did not clean it well enough.


     The consideration here is for that foreign material/particulate which is entrapped within the casting surfaces as a byproduct of the manufacturing process, and then also any material that may be lodged in the surface structure through impingement, particularly for example any media blasting event; and it is often not possible to  thoroughly remove this material in one's typical cleaning processes (nylon brushes w/ solvents, soap & water) even with the best of efforts.   :)

     Scott.

I think everyone understands the claims, the argument is risk/reward and validity of those claims.  If you like to do it, we won't tease you :) However, I have fought with the aftermath enough that I won't add that funk to a block, and if it's there and shows any distress at any point, I do my best to make it go away, which ranges from watching it fall off in sheets to not being able to remove (all on the same component).  That's the issue for me.
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Bullock's Power Service, LLC
- 70 Fastback Mustang, 489 cid FE, Victor, SEFI, Erson SFT cam, TKO-600 5 speed, 4.11 9 inch.
- 71 F100 shortbed 4x4, 461 cid FE, headers, Victor Pro-flo EFI, Comp Custom HFT cam, 3.50 9 inch

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Re: Couple of easy build questions
« Reply #48 on: December 13, 2024, 01:08:34 PM »
      Note that I was not advocating for or against the painting process, but rather just discussing the reasoning for such.   :)

      Scott.

     

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Re: Couple of easy build questions
« Reply #49 on: December 13, 2024, 01:29:36 PM »
I have seen it inside several Army engines probably to prevent rust
when the vehicles was cold stored for years. looks like they were first
glyptalised, probably diped. And then machined



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Re: Couple of easy build questions
« Reply #50 on: December 13, 2024, 05:32:04 PM »
............... looks like they were first glyptalised, probably diped. And then machined

     Yes, this was the most common practice; once the raw casting had been prepared for transitioning to the machining processes (removal of casting sand, excess material & flashing) they would be painted ("sealed") before actual machining.   :)

     Scott.