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FE Technical Forum / Re: Electric versus Flex Fan
« on: February 01, 2025, 07:22:26 PM »
 Currently I'm running electric fans, dual 10" with a temp controller in the T-stat area. Haven't had any issues. Went with their bigger motor fans.
Here's the link. They offer a variety of mounting options for mounting senders.
https://www.americanvolt.com/collections/all-electric-radiator-cooling-fans?srsltid=AfmBOoqbvHTrCvjldk-_VHjGdaC2v_1AmZ4qa7YruhU_3NMKzAgucASk

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Fairlane header options
« on: October 27, 2024, 08:12:06 PM »
 I wouldn't recommend the Doug's . I have them on my Ranchero and it took lots of mods to have them fit still can't do a hard left turn, pitman arm hits tube. Also they don't line up with the "humps " at trans crossmember so you hear some knocks.
 Not sure how other manufacturers fit.
 Only bonus I had with them was price as Amazon delivered them for like $350. Was a nice price difference over regular price. Had them around for about 6 months before installing.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Piston ring orientation
« on: October 27, 2024, 08:03:21 PM »
Stagger them around as previously mentioned. As long as gaps are not lined up.

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Member Projects / Re: 69 Ranchero R code
« on: October 22, 2024, 07:07:16 PM »
Here's some pics of install. Engine and trans.

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Member Projects / Re: 69 Ranchero R code
« on: October 20, 2024, 06:45:18 PM »
 Well got the engine all in and running well. Don't you know the trans ate itself  sprag let go.
 So this weekend put the trans back in after the rebuild at a friends shop in De. Figured out how to twist the trans up thru the headers to not have to mess with them. Now to get the modulator all adjusted in to where I want the shifts happening. 

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FE Engine Dyno Results / Re: 462 Street build
« on: July 27, 2024, 09:10:50 PM »

11:1, that cam, the valves in control, and running closer to 12.5:1, I think you will see significant gains in power and the peak RPM will shift higher, as Brent pointed out, not TFS numbers, but I bet that engine will pull to 6000 and make 480-490-ish.  Yes, 260 cfm heads fight back, but I think there is more in there. 

Also, with all respect to your friend...if you really are at 125 closed, I recommend you jump back in, I do not think he is right.  A Morel is pretty tough, but I have seen other brands break link bars with higher seat pressures than you see.  I thought I saved pictures of a 428 PI with 130/320, can't find them but I will look

ON EDIT:  It wasn't a PI that had the failed lifter bars it was an all iron CJ, and here is what I found under the intake.  Seat pressure was around 130, but all over the map, and open was low but not horrible.  I don't love Comp lifters, the bar is weaker, but if the valves were in control this wouldn't have happened

BTW, just as a repeat after playing with some numbers, that cam is stout at 82 degrees of overlap, generally considered a whole lot...

I'd do the springs, 175/420-ish notch the divider and a little blending on the roof of the plenum and lower plane short turn if it's sharp, put the cam at 108 ICL, might like a cooler plug depending where you are, lean it up, give it some timing and let her eat.   Would be nice to see another round of dyno as I spend your time and money :)

 That's a bit of pain in those pics.
 Cam my buddy wanted about 20* more duration, believe it or not. When I called Bullet and talked with them turned down first cam forget the numbers at this point . Got these numbers and the 104 ICL and felt that would do pretty well. Build the cylinder pressure. Sounded pretty good on the dyno not wild in my book, but nice. Think the overlap is in a "fun" area.
Can I pass it off as a thumper to the bowtie boys?
 Had thought about notching divider but had to rein myself in. Street car not race. Actually more show car that's driven . I know boring !
 Plugs are Autolite 3923 and may switch to a colder plug yet. I'm east coast around Philthadelphia, Pa moved here around 2015. So close to sea level.
 Timing was set at 14 initial with a total of 36. Don't know I can put much more to it on 93 octane.
Jet will happen once in car and corked up. See how it reacts with the 2-1/2" pipes and flowmasters.
 I can spend all kinds of fantasy money !!

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FE Engine Dyno Results / Re: 462 Street build
« on: July 24, 2024, 07:58:31 PM »
Thanks for the comments . I'll try and answer stuff here.
 Graph think that was answered pretty well already, thanks. Don't know why they do it and didn't ask what software my buddy uses. Says the guy answers the calls no matter what time day or night he calls, developer somewhere in Europe ( i think).
 The testing day was not the kind of day you would like to see, setting at about 62 ft and corrected air was around 2700 ft. Lots of anti detonation !! read high humidity.
 Do I consider springs soft? Yes I thought we would be higher on seat, he feels we have it good wouldn't want to go much higher. For me that's a decent flat tappet pressure. Not intending to wing this one out short shift will be where it lives. Street car not race car.
 AFR was showing mid high 11's so yes she can be leaned out and pickup some more HP. Will adjust this in the car to see what she wants.
 The exhaust valve I put size down that we bought, not sure what size it was cut down to. We had bought bigger valves for intake (2.25") and cut them down to 2.190". Sure you guys understand reasons to do this type of stuff. When I ground the valves after he had cut them down and I did the valve seats in the heads it was just using dividers and a gauge to set the heights. First I had done in over 30 years, damn when I got away from it i really got away. At one time I was engines/cars 24/7 .
 Ports only flow 260 cfm so while there is still some power left to get don't believe there is a lot. Part of this is my bad as when heads were all apart we just couldn't get together so the porting just didn't happen. I was looking forward to "playing" on the flow bench and has been a long time since that "tingly" feeling in the hands was there. Besides they are the knockoff heads always fun to see what you can get out of that stuff. Can you hurt them? Weld it up.
 The shop is about 2 hours south of me and I went there as it is an old Boss now friend. That was late 80's thru early 90's that we worked together. Moving forward to now and Dyno day started with mapping out a area in his shop for me to move the machine shop that I manage and am looking at buying. So lots on the mind. 
 Ask away and I will answer. If I missed something hit me up.
 

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FE Engine Dyno Results / 462 Street build
« on: July 16, 2024, 07:40:47 PM »
Performance Summary:
      Cubic Inches:   462            Dyno brand: Superflow
      Power Adder: N/A              Where dynoed: CTS Ridgely, MD
      Peak Horsepower: 447 @ 5495
      Peak Torque: 540 @ 3180

Horsepower and Torque Curves:


Engine Specifications:
   Block brand, material, finished bore size, other notes: C scratch  4.160
     
   Crankshaft brand, cast or forged, stroke, journal size: Cast, Eagle, 4.25"
     
   Connecting Rods brand, material, center to center distance, end sizes, bolts: Eagle I beam 6.700"

   Piston brand, material (caster, hypereutectic or forged), dish/dome volume, static CR: Mahle, Forged, -7 cc flat , 11.1

   Main Bearings, Rod Bearings, Cam Bearings brand and size: MS-685P, CB-743P

   Piston rings brand, size, other notes: Mahle, 1mm,1mm, 2mm

   Oil Pump, pickup, and drive: Stock, Milodon 18370, HD drive

   Oil pan, windage tray, oil filter adapter: Milodon 31130

   Camshaft brand, type (hyd/solid, flat tappet or roller), lift and duration (adv and @.050")  Bullet, Hyd. Roller, part # 505000, 293/303 Adv, 242/248 @.050 .605/.616, 108* c/l,  104 ICL

   Lifters brand, type: Morrel, hyd roller

   Timing chain and timing cover: Cloyes true roller, factory cover

   Cylinder heads brand, material, port and chamber information: Ed knockoff, Aluminum

   Cylinder head flow in cfm at inches of lift (28" H2O pressure drop):
      Intake               Exhaust
      .100   63             .100   52
      .200   144            .200  96 Turbulant
      .300   173            .300  135
      .400   227           .400   174
      .500   255            .500  195
      .600   267            .600  207
      .700   277            .700  N/A
      .800   N/A            .800  N/A

   Flow bench used, location:  Superflow, CTS Ridgely,Md

   Intake valve brand, head size, stem size:  Manley cut down to 2.190",  11/32", +.250" tip

   Exhaust valve brand, head size, stem size:  Manley 1.900", 11/32", + .250" tip
   
   Valve springs brand, part number, specs:   Manley, 22406, 1.875" inst. @ 125lbs.

   Retainers and locks brand, part number, specs: Manley, 23636-16, Manley 13194-16

   Rocker arm brand, type (adjustable or non-adj), material, ratio:  Harland, Adj. , AL, 1.76

   Rocker shafts and stands, brand, material: Harland

   Pushrods brand, type, length: Smith Bros. 8.400. ball&cup

   Valve covers, brand, type: Factory chrome

   Distributor brand, advance curve information:  MSD

   Harmonic balancer brand: ATI

   Water pump brand, type (mechanical or electric): Mr Gasket, Mech.

   Intake manifold brand, material, porting information: RPM Knockoff

   Carburetor(s) brand, type :  Holley Service replacement U carb

   Exhaust manifolds or headers brand, type:  Dougs Headers

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Member Projects / Re: 69 Ranchero R code
« on: May 23, 2024, 09:38:32 PM »
HB Yeah it sucked. It was an engine that was in a storage shed for 20 or so years. So an old block that gave up the ghost. Heads are no name aluminum Ed copies. Was really just trying to save the original heads when I bought them. Stopped myself then from going deeper in engine as I knew it would be a stroker kit then.
 Heo That was how this one started no leak at first then started leaking when not running. At least it didn't hurt anything else and my buddy was able to get some testing done for some electronics for his NHRA Pro Stock guys. Imagine that an FE used to help out the chebbie guys. Don't think I can get any documentation from anyone for that.

MeanGene The guy is a chebbie guy and we have fun with that, he could never believe he hired a Ford guy way back when. Having been in many a engine, last I checked they all need the same things to run , Air , Fuel , Spark. Though it is about finding the stuff each one needs to work well. He has also had some record setting mopar stuff as well. Oh and the intake is only a 2.190" so no problem in a 4.160" bore wasn't a issue with a 4.080" bore either.

 Was down at shop last weekend and have the oil mods done in the 428 block tapped for screw in plugs on galleys. Also cleaned up and ready for assembly. Other stuff was working with design for a 2 stroke multi fuel engine, be trying some stuff out on it. He is also waiting for a ProMod Ford to get to the shop once chassis is done. It's BBF with twin turbo's. Will follow up with pics and some info as stuff progresses. Could be some time as I have to many things going on at once. 

 

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Member Projects / Re: 69 Ranchero R code
« on: March 30, 2024, 06:06:14 PM »
 Well the plot has thickened yet again ! Had the engine all together and up on the dyno set timing and just checking things over pulled dipstick and found "frothy" oil, was running 6 qts in 7qt pan as a test. Added extra qt to no avail.
 So here is what has happened over many weekends. Ended up finding that pump was pushing oil out at input shaft and "froth" there.
Reworked an old pump and put all back together, oil pressure was down about 20 psi running on drill which made us happier was about 70 psi before on drill. My buddy was running it later in the week as he tries not to offend neighbors with dyno runs after a certain time in evenings. Checked the oil and found water in oil checked her over and came up with manifold leak in one corner. So machined manifold to set more uniform and figured it was fixed. I had went down and spent a day cleaning the gunk out of everything and re assembling. Again he had it running later in week and found water in oil. So took her off the dyno as he had another engine coming in for testing. Made some block off plates for water jacket and found the real culprit a crack in valley above a couple lifter bores. Hairline crack but I decided we aren't attempting any repairs on that block.
 So yesterday went down and disassembled that engine inspecting for anything that could have been damaged, no issues thankfully.
 Loaded my original 428 block up and gauged the bores to see where we were with them. Ordered new pistons to work with the stroker kit for these bores. Once they arrive can finish machine this block and get it all back together.
 It's been an interesting time with all of this.

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Member Projects / Re: 69 Ranchero R code
« on: December 28, 2023, 05:09:07 PM »
 Finally was able to get down to the shop last weekend as both of us had time available.
 Ended up cutting the intake valves down to 2.19". Went thru getting the initial valve job done and all valve heights set. Now for grinding to start. Taking longer than wanted but time constraints happen.

 Hopefully this weekend can get together if not will just tell him to go for it.

 He has a project coming up and when that one hits the shop all the rest will be back burner stuff. Some of the "specs" on it had my mind going peak torque north of 6800 rpm with a valve lift over 1.300", oh and the 10500 rpm limit. Should be interesting !!

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Compression ratio
« on: December 28, 2023, 04:44:29 PM »
I haven't used this link in a little while but it has some calculators for getting your numbers. Takes a little bit to get used to it.
Hope it helps.

https://www.gofastmath.com/Horsepower-Calculators/Horsepower-Calculator

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Member Projects / Re: 69 Ranchero R code
« on: October 09, 2023, 03:56:11 PM »
Brent hear ya on valve size was already at 2.190 when one dropped. The 2.250 were bought and will be trimmed some to what we feel works out well probably about .020-.030" .
 The Eagle crank was all that was available and there were no definite answers on when scat would have them. Just have to dig supply chain issues. So plan is to Cryoage the parts. Have been doing this to parts for a long time. Basically re-aligns the molecules to make the part more resistant to breaking. Also makes the surface a couple rockwell harder. Appreciate the warning/thought.
 Don't know if you have tried cryoaging parts or not, if not check it out. I see you get in to some big builds but it is a way to make some power with less desirable parts. Years ago had a Pro Stock team pickup 20hp without changing anything else in his combo. I had always questioned it prior to that. Plenty of places out there do it.

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Member Projects / Re: 69 Ranchero R code
« on: October 08, 2023, 06:20:57 PM »
 Well the plot thickens when we started checking flow of the heads. Not good figured they would flow a little more than they do, what really threw us a curve when we "wet" pattern the heads it shows the fuel just rams straight into the bowl wall and on the wrong side of valve.
 SO this will take quite a bit of port massaging ! Guess there goes the feeling in the hands back to all tingly again. The ports flow "wet" about like the bad ones on a BBC where 4 ports need lots of help. Just on the FE all intake ports need the help.

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Member Projects / Re: 69 Ranchero R code
« on: September 24, 2023, 01:55:16 PM »
Was supposed to go the shop this weekend and work with build but buddy said not to show as he was busy with stuff. Saturday afternoon get text with some pics from him of the valves in head looking up thru the block. Here they are Intake 2.250" exhaust are 1.691" figuring a little nip at top of cylinder for clearance.
 Port work will start to happen next mapping out the ports really shows how wrong they are as cast. Taper is decent until a little before short turn where they open up then shrink to short turn. Be some grinding to straighten this out. Will verify everything in port with "wet" test on flow bench to make sure flow across back of valve into chamber is where we want it.
 Then it hit me after texting with him this is the first time my engine is not being built by me, I'm actually paying for an engine build ?
Not the worst thing as I learned a lot form him doing this stuff like 30 or so years ago. Mainly why I worked for him was to learn from him as he had been doing Pro racing prior to me working for him. The chance to go Pro racing was just a bonus.

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