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FE Technical Forum / Re: Redneck wrist pin bush honing...
« on: March 25, 2021, 07:21:53 AM »
While I've been here tonight (OZ time) I've been googling and found a bunch of second hand Sunnen (and other brands) rod machines for sale. $400-$1000 AUD second hand. So that's how they do it...
Its definitely a proper set up.
 

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Redneck wrist pin bush honing...
« on: March 25, 2021, 06:53:36 AM »
I think you'll have trouble keeping it straight and round with a ball hone.

Thanks for the reply Brent. Yes I had that concern initially, after seeing a YouTube "expert" using flex hones freehand to do this job on diesel pin bushings.

My plan was to have the hone in my pillar drill and set the con rod up dead square in my compound vice. That way it should be dead straight and running at an exact RPM. Being a new hone it will be as round as a flex hone can be??? :-)

A straight 31/32" chucking reamer, is about the same price as a new BRM flex hone, but as the clevite pin bushing is a split design, I think a spiral would be safer. Unfortunately they are also much dearer... I felt a flex hone is less likely to "bite" and ruin the bushing, if I do anything wrong.

May I ask what methods you have heard of shops using? Is there a piece of gear specifically for this job? Or is it just a chucking reamer and lots of lube etc. Just curious...

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FE Technical Forum / Redneck wrist pin bush honing...
« on: March 24, 2021, 09:26:47 PM »
Have finally got around to prepping my spare 390GT motor parts, into a complete kit, ready to be built into a 68' OEM spec Mustang GT engine (spare for my car, which has a warmer one fitted).

While cleaning and inspecting the rods (matched set of C7AE-B's) I found one with a damaged wrist pin bush (one end had a wee bit broken out). The rest are great; look nice, no marks, pins run butter smooth and within spec. So no problem, sourced one new Clevite bush and am now ready to fit it.

However I live in the country and don't really want to wait months in line for my trusted machinist in the city to get around to honing this one bush (if required). With COVID it seems every man and his dog has got around to their projects and he's swamped. So as I'm a careful general engineer and trust myself not to be stupid, so I'm thinking I'll do this small job myself.

So my question is this. Has anyone used a flex hone to fit a pin bush? I don't like the idea of using a little stone type brake hone, as most are too coarse (made for doing ferrous cylinders) and perhaps too violent on bronze. Its easy enough to get a 1" aluminum oxide flex / ball hone (brake / lifter size) of a nice grit (240/320?), and I can't see why if carefully done, I can't carefully take off a thou or 2 as required.

In al these years building motors, I have never had to ream/hone a pin bush before, (lucky me). But it seems easy enough as long as you take it easy, check your measurements often, and maintain alignment & lubrication etc.

I seen videos of engine shops sizing rod eyes using a chucking reamer and lots of lube. Just running the rod eye in and out (by hand) until its at spec. So can a well lubricated, nice new flex / ball hone be any worse? Or was that "shop" a bit amateurish?

Happy for any views...

Thanks

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Vacuum with a XR280HR cam?
« on: June 29, 2020, 04:23:53 PM »
No problem Brent, it all helped the discussion.
When I’ve got it running properly on my stand I’ll reply with what I got, then we will all know.  8)

Whilst I don’t want the work and cost, if necessary I’ll hide a canister somewhere or I could even abandon this set up altogether, and use some unmolested date correct GT heads (Deeper chambers) and a new, still boxed up XR270HR cam (53 OL) I have on the shelf. As I wasn’t aiming for a lopey idle with this build, and only used this cam to fix DCR issues due to a PO shaving the heads too much The other standard heads came from a late friends estate after I had already built this motor...

Anyway we’ll see how it goes, I’m trapped in a hotel on corona virus lockdown for a while but I will put the vacuum results on the forum sometime soon.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Vacuum with a XR280HR cam?
« on: June 28, 2020, 06:13:00 PM »
Yes I remember you saying some time ago you weren't a fan. IN 282/ EX 288 & 110 LSA = 65 degrees of overlap. Not a huge amount I suppose.

I have seen a fresh mildly worked 390 (+30) with a XE262H (a lot less overlap) that only gives 14"Hg at 850-900 RPM. So will mine really do 15”? But of course who knows if everything is sorted on that motor. Maybe it will give more vacuum when its run in etc. Anyway I'm hoping you're right, as 15" should be enough for my factory Midlands brake booster. I asked as some web folks are saying they were barely getting 10" using this cam. But who knows what the other specs were (or leaks etc.). COMP Cams own dyno sheet for the XR282HR (same specs as the 280HR) on a Chev 350 with Victor Intake etc, only showed 9-11", and that is not enough, although a high single plane intake possibly hurts vacuum a bit.

In the end I'll eventually run it on my test stand and the truth will be revealed!

Thanks for the reply Brent.

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FE Technical Forum / Vacuum with a XR280HR cam?
« on: June 28, 2020, 02:58:09 AM »
Hi,

Anyone running a COMP CAMS XR280HR camshaft? How much idle vacuum are you getting? And at what idle?

By comparison for the sake of vacuum. Mine is a 68'Mustang 390GT. Bored +60 (401 CID), CJ valves, 10.5 SCR, SCAT H rods, FPA headers, 730CFM Holley (CJ), Petronix etc. Just wondering what is typical for this HYD roller cam in a 390/428.

Thanks in advance.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Oil relief valve - what should I do?
« on: September 11, 2016, 03:51:34 AM »
Mungus,
When buying a pump from Doug, he normally sends a new plug and a large shim.  You *can* install it for High pressure, but honestly, his HV pump is darn near perfect as is.
On my car it's 80psi cold idle
25psi hot idle
and pressure jumps the second you hit the throttle right up to 65psi.  Works like it should, I wouldn't really want any more pressure for a street car.

Thanks Drew, if mine does those figures I'll be a happy man. No need for anything more.
I can't recall seeing any spare parts in the pumps box, although there is a lot of packing paper scrunched up in there, I'll have another look tomorrow. Can't hurt to have a spare plug...

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Oil relief valve - what should I do?
« on: September 10, 2016, 05:29:08 AM »
Perhaps amongst the confusion of the conversation we are jumping to conclusions a little bit here...

No it's not solid lifter block.
No it has no drilled or tapped cavity in the casting, never implied so. Although from a bit of reading and web searching over the last week I now know what that method was for.

The plug in the Melling HV pump from POP has what looks like a cup style steel expansion plug approx 1/2 diameter capping off a gallery. From the pump drawings I'm guessing that's where the valve is.
And in truth it looks like there's nowhere else it could be!

I was simply asking where it is and what folks do as the is my first FE build.

Thanks for all the input guys. Much appreciated and better informed now.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Chokes and headers...
« on: September 09, 2016, 12:35:16 PM »
OK, so are most staying with the OEM hot air system?
Seems you can do a reasonably tidy job pipe wise anyway.
I dud see someone selling complete hose kits just recently, maybe Mansfields?

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FE Technical Forum / Chokes and headers...
« on: September 09, 2016, 03:39:44 AM »
So what are most folks doing about the factory hot air choke systems when they fit headers?

- No choke? (not ideal where I live I'm afraid, winter gets wet and cool)
- Manual conversion?
- Electric conversion?
- MiG some tubing onto a header tube to feed the OEM hot air choke system?

Interested to see what everything thinks and does.

As part of this build I'm fitting a list 4609 730 CFM Holley 4150 and have a set of lovely FPA headers.
And to be honest I'd rather not weld them as they have been cerakoted.
Both the 730 CFM carb and my OEM 600 CFM have the hot air choke system fitted.
I'm thinking the simplest and cleanest set up is a Holley manual choke conversion kit.
I think Bill at Mansfield's even sells the OEM manual choke conversion kit cable...

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Oil relief valve - what should I do?
« on: September 09, 2016, 03:32:58 AM »
Yes the pump you get from POP will have an integral pressure relief.  You should be good to go on that 390!

- Bill

Thanks Bill. Yes I had a look at the Melling HV pump today, and I can see a plug on the end of a gallery, maybe 1/2" diameter.
From the pump drawings I've seen I'm guessing the relief valve is hiding inside there...

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Oil relief valve - what should I do?
« on: September 08, 2016, 04:03:18 PM »
Thanks Brent, so should the pumps come with one?
Sorry for my ignorance, I havent got the block here to look at right now, it's in the hot tank.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Oil relief valve - what should I do?
« on: September 08, 2016, 02:30:35 PM »
1969. So do they just use the pump for relief function? Is the relief valve part of it?
I saw one in a 427 is all, and I think I've never built an engine that didn't have one (first FE).
So I just assumed they must have one somewhere...

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Whats are these 2 FORD engine brackets off?
« on: September 08, 2016, 02:29:45 PM »
Thanks Tom, certainly similar, missing the top hole but then I guess it is a dress up piece.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Cam thrust plate with new COMP CAM
« on: September 08, 2016, 02:26:47 PM »
Ahhh OK, thanks Barry. That explains it well.

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