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FE Power Forums => FE Technical Forum => Topic started by: skeeter on October 19, 2018, 09:22:06 AM
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Hello. I am a newer member and an FE newbie. I have found a couple of FE intakes for sale recently and wanted an opinion on whether they are worth the time and effort to use them on an occasional driver or should I stick with a single carb with an aluminum intake. My '67 Mustang was originally an S Code and I have a 390 from a '67 Galaxie awaiting time to go through and be installed. I want to do some upgrades to it before it goes in. The intakes that I found are an FE Tri-Power and a Dual Quad Offenhauser. Both are complete with carbs and linkages according to the sellers. The Tri Power was on an early Galaxie but not sure about the Offenhauser.
They are both in the $1000 price range.
Advice or opinions welcome.
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Having tested many combinations of intakes and carburetors, I have found that the simplest and best answer to your question would be an Edelbrock Performer RPM with carburetor in the 750 cfm size range. The intakes you mention will be down on horsepower, be harder to keep in adjustment, harder to keep clean fuel in the bowls, and have twice to three times the tuning issues. If you want looks, the Ford 3 x 2 intake with correct carbs will always look better than the Offenhauser. If you were to grind off the Edelbrock logo on the RPM, it would look much like a correct Ford intake. Joe-JDC
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Well said Joe! My thought are the same unless our poster wants the 'look".
Having tested many combinations of intakes and carburetors, I have found that the simplest and best answer to your question would be an Edelbrock Performer RPM with carburetor in the 750 cfm size range. The intakes you mention will be down on horsepower, be harder to keep in adjustment, harder to keep clean fuel in the bowls, and have twice to three times the tuning issues. If you want looks, the Ford 3 x 2 intake with correct carbs will always look better than the Offenhauser. If you were to grind off the Edelbrock logo on the RPM, it would look much like a correct Ford intake. Joe-JDC
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Thanks guys!
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Agreed. I have owned both of those setups, and although they may "look cool", for most applications it is pretty tough to beat a good single 4 barrel intake and Holley carb setup. Especially on a street driven car or truck. The Ford 2x4 intake is a much better piece than the OFFY, and they can work quite good, on the right application. But I prefer the simplicity and reliability of a single 4 barrel.
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The Offy 2X4 is junk. The Ford tripower setup isn't bad, but will require some babysitting of the carbs. The 750 Holley + Edelbrock Performer RPM is a very good combination. It is also very boring, at least compared to a multi-carb setup. You see that manifold everywhere, because its a good one.
If you want a multi-carb setup, try to find a Ford low riser 2X4 or medium riser 2X4 intake, or a Blue Thunder 2X4 intake. For a single 4 with a 750 Holley carb, an old Edelbrock Streetmaster would be an excellent choice, and so would a factory 428 Cobra Jet intake. A Holley Street Dominator intake would also be great. Any of these would have performance similar to the Edelbrock Performer RPM on your engine, and be a much less common option.
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OK, let's get to it. Are you ever going to attend a cruise-in and pop the hood, seeking some "ooh" and occasional "ah"? No? Stick to single quad. Yes? While the 3-2V takes initial adjustment, once you're dialed that's it. I ran one daily in a 410-powered '67 Cyclone from 1976 to 1978. Once dialed, I never had to babysit.
Now, that was in the 70's. Presently, the carbs are older and attention must be given to the possibility of warped components. It ain't gonna be plug 'n' play. Also, the ports in that intake will extend below the ports in the C7AE heads, so you have to be careful about proper fit and gasket choice to keep from sucking up oil vapors. I did this on my C7 heads and had no problem. The equation will include the extent, if any, that the block and heads have been milled.
Your heads have 8-bolt exhaust bolt pattern. Stock Galaxie manifolds may physically fit the Mustang, but you will have to loosen the engine mounts and jack up each side to change plugs. Option A is to contact Stan at fordpowertrain dot com to get the right pipes for that head/chassis. Option B is to switch to a 14-hole head and run factory GT manifolds. Option C is to have your existing heads drilled for the GT pattern. Option D is that Sanderson may have shorty headers that will work.
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how about 3-2V using the new FI-tech replacement for carbs
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how about 3-2V using the new FI-tech replacement for carbs
Using fuel injection on pre-1986 vehicles is gay. Like, LGBT gay. Like, Fire Island gay. Like, Barack Obama gay. You're not going to get the oohs and aahs that classic clobberators will get. Plus, gay FI will go SWISH when you hit the gas pedal. No roar, just swish. I mean, Gay Pride Parade performance. We're talking mincing in black leather jockstraps in front of the kids performance.
Nope. Can't have that. :)
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SWISH I didn't suggest an electric motor
Fine , I'll put the holleys back on my engine
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SWISH I didn't suggest an electric motor
Fine , I'll put the Holleys back on my engine
Good boy. Good good boy. Straight boy. Good straight boy.
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how about 3-2V using the new FI-tech replacement for carbs
Using fuel injection on pre-1986 vehicles is gay. Like, LGBT gay. Like, Fire Island gay. Like, Barack Obama gay. You're not going to get the oohs and aahs that classic clobberators will get. Plus, gay FI will go SWISH when you hit the gas pedal. No roar, just swish. I mean, Gay Pride Parade performance. We're talking mincing in black leather jockstraps in front of the kids performance.
Nope. Can't have that. :)
I hate myself a little bit when I agree with you. I can live with that.
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how about 3-2V using the new FI-tech replacement for carbs
Using fuel injection on pre-1986 vehicles is gay. Like, LGBT gay. Like, Fire Island gay. Like, Barack Obama gay. You're not going to get the oohs and aahs that classic clobberators will get. Plus, gay FI will go SWISH when you hit the gas pedal. No roar, just swish. I mean, Gay Pride Parade performance. We're talking mincing in black leather jockstraps in front of the kids performance.
Nope. Can't have that. :)
I didn't see that on there website. Thanks for the warning!
https://www.fireisland.com/
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Hello. I am a newer member and an FE newbie. I have found a couple of FE intakes for sale recently and wanted an opinion on whether they are worth the time and effort to use them on an occasional driver or should I stick with a single carb with an aluminum intake. My '67 Mustang was originally an S Code and I have a 390 from a '67 Galaxie awaiting time to go through and be installed. I want to do some upgrades to it before it goes in. The intakes that I found are an FE Tri-Power and a Dual Quad Offenhauser. Both are complete with carbs and linkages according to the sellers. The Tri Power was on an early Galaxie but not sure about the Offenhauser.
They are both in the $1000 price range.
Advice or opinions welcome.
I had a simular experience as Jay mentioned. I do not know how the plenum of the P-O-Sonice is designed vs the Offenhauser Dual Quad but my 390 gained when I swapped a single 4 barrel Port-O-Sonic for a Street Master. As for looks you can not go wrong with multiple carbs in any case.
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how about 3-2V using the new FI-tech replacement for carbs
Using fuel injection on pre-1986 vehicles is gay. Like, LGBT gay. Like, Fire Island gay. Like, Barack Obama gay. You're not going to get the oohs and aahs that classic clobberators will get. Plus, gay FI will go SWISH when you hit the gas pedal. No roar, just swish. I mean, Gay Pride Parade performance. We're talking mincing in black leather jockstraps in front of the kids performance.
Nope. Can't have that. :)
I hate myself a little bit when I agree with you. I can live with that.
I'm waiting for Ross to fire an RPG through his monitor at me.
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how about 3-2V using the new FI-tech replacement for carbs
Using fuel injection on pre-1986 vehicles is gay. Like, LGBT gay. Like, Fire Island gay. Like, Barack Obama gay. You're not going to get the oohs and aahs that classic clobberators will get. Plus, gay FI will go SWISH when you hit the gas pedal. No roar, just swish. I mean, Gay Pride Parade performance. We're talking mincing in black leather jockstraps in front of the kids performance.
Nope. Can't have that. :)
I didn't see that on there website. Thanks for the warning!
https://www.fireisland.com/
Fire Island has been aflame for many decades: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=fire+island+gay+parade
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Hello. I am a newer member and an FE newbie. I have found a couple of FE intakes for sale recently and wanted an opinion on whether they are worth the time and effort to use them on an occasional driver or should I stick with a single carb with an aluminum intake. My '67 Mustang was originally an S Code and I have a 390 from a '67 Galaxie awaiting time to go through and be installed. I want to do some upgrades to it before it goes in. The intakes that I found are an FE Tri-Power and a Dual Quad Offenhauser. Both are complete with carbs and linkages according to the sellers. The Tri Power was on an early Galaxie but not sure about the Offenhauser.
They are both in the $1000 price range.
Advice or opinions welcome.
I had a simular experience as Jay mentioned. I do not know how the plenum of the P-O-Sonice is designed vs the Offenhauser Dual Quad but my 390 gained when I swapped a single 4 barrel Port-O-Sonic for a Street Master. As for looks you can not go wrong with multiple carbs in any case.
The car I just got a couple days ago has a "stealth" F427 intake. Stealth as in lettering removed, painted blue. Looks really stock. I have heard that the POS is better than the SM or SD, which are supposed to be better than the F427. Not sure how much ET is there if I switch to a POS.
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i dont care so much about looks under the hood,as long as it sounds good and outruns all my buddies cars
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i dont care so much about looks under the hood,as long as it sounds good and outruns all my buddies cars
The reasonable, practical approach. 8)
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Not sure how much ET is there if I switch to a POS.
Wait, are we talking about intakes, or Chevys?
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Not sure how much ET is there if I switch to a POS.
Wait, are we talking about intakes, or Chevys?
Now, you know darn well if I had a Chevy, it would still have an FE in it. Or perhaps a tunnel ram 289, iff'n it was a '55. But yes, I done shoulda wrote P-O-S for you special needs members.
And speaking of tunnel rams, has anyone done a dyno comparison on an FE of a cast TR vs. a single quad?
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how about 3-2V using the new FI-tech replacement for carbs
Using fuel injection on pre-1986 vehicles is gay. Like, LGBT gay. Like, Fire Island gay. Like, Barack Obama gay. You're not going to get the oohs and aahs that classic clobberators will get. Plus, gay FI will go SWISH when you hit the gas pedal. No roar, just swish. I mean, Gay Pride Parade performance. We're talking mincing in black leather jockstraps in front of the kids performance.
Nope. Can't have that. :)
I didn't see that on there website. Thanks for the warning!
https://www.fireisland.com/
Was there in 2000 didnt se a single sissy ;D off season i guess
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Are you talking about a regular single quad or a tunnel ram with a single quad? When Jay did his intake testing, the Weiand tunnel ram made better power than just about any other intake he tested. I think it was 2nd overall, but just barely.
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When I worked on Fire Island in 09 the only thing flaming was the populace.
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and don't worry Felony, my sexuality is is still intact.
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Are you talking about a regular single quad or a tunnel ram with a single quad? When Jay did his intake testing, the Weiand tunnel ram made better power than just about any other intake he tested. I think it was 2nd overall, but just barely.
Actually I was referring to that exact combo, a J-Dapt ;D and a Weiand 8V tunnel ram. I have both pieces, so that's a viable combo. I seem to remember one or two guys here doing that. Will have to search for their posts when I have a chance.
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When I worked on Fire Island in 09 the only thing flaming was the populace.
What is that white stuff you post of?
Sincerely, Arizona Desert Dweller
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and don't worry Felony, my sexuality is still intact.
We'll go with your claim for now. However, if I see one square inch of a Rochester in the corner of any of your pictures, I'm calling you out of the closet.
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how about 3-2V using the new FI-tech replacement for carbs
Using fuel injection on pre-1986 vehicles is gay. Like, LGBT gay. Like, Fire Island gay. Like, Barack Obama gay. You're not going to get the oohs and aahs that classic clobberators will get. Plus, gay FI will go SWISH when you hit the gas pedal. No roar, just swish. I mean, Gay Pride Parade performance. We're talking mincing in black leather jockstraps in front of the kids performance.
Nope. Can't have that. :)
I didn't see that on there website. Thanks for the warning!
https://www.fireisland.com/
Was there in 2000 didnt se a single sissy ;D off season i guess
They saw you coming with your battle armor, Viking coat of arms, a lit torch, and a flag that said "Lispys will get Crispy". Try being a little more subtle next time.
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FElony's on a roll! ;D. Viking invasions, Two-way varmint shooting, what's next??
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how about 3-2V using the new FI-tech replacement for carbs
Using fuel injection on pre-1986 vehicles is gay. Like, LGBT gay. Like, Fire Island gay. Like, Barack Obama gay. You're not going to get the oohs and aahs that classic clobberators will get. Plus, gay FI will go SWISH when you hit the gas pedal. No roar, just swish. I mean, Gay Pride Parade performance. We're talking mincing in black leather jockstraps in front of the kids performance.
Nope. Can't have that. :)
I hate myself a little bit when I agree with you. I can live with that.
Just lay back, close your eyes and focus on how it feels. That icky feeling will go away. Agreed on what Jay says about the offy 2x4. OP, Obviously you aren’t adverse to spending some bucks, so get the blue thunder 2x4, carb choice depends on the rest of your combination. A pair of #1850’s can usually be found in the $50 range if you hit the swaps. If you go with the high zoot 660’s be prepared to have to restrict/reduce the ifr’s to get good part throttle cruise.
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Hello. I am a newer member and an FE newbie. I have found a couple of FE intakes for sale recently and wanted an opinion on whether they are worth the time and effort to use them on an occasional driver or should I stick with a single carb with an aluminum intake. My '67 Mustang was originally an S Code and I have a 390 from a '67 Galaxie awaiting time to go through and be installed. I want to do some upgrades to it before it goes in. The intakes that I found are an FE Tri-Power and a Dual Quad Offenhauser. Both are complete with carbs and linkages according to the sellers. The Tri Power was on an early Galaxie but not sure about the Offenhauser.
They are both in the $1000 price range.
Advice or opinions welcome.
I had a simular experience as Jay mentioned. I do not know how the plenum of the P-O-Sonice is designed vs the Offenhauser Dual Quad but my 390 gained when I swapped a single 4 barrel Port-O-Sonic for a Street Master. As for looks you can not go wrong with multiple carbs in any case.
The car I just got a couple days ago has a "stealth" F427 intake. Stealth as in lettering removed, painted blue. Looks really stock. I have heard that the POS is better than the SM or SD, which are supposed to be better than the F427. Not sure how much ET is there if I switch to a POS.
I think the POS “happy place” is a little higher in the rpm range than the street master, and it needs more work to optimize it. But theres a lot of overlap, the two intakes are pretty close.
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and don't worry Felony, my sexuality is still intact.
We'll go with your claim for now. However, if I see one square inch of a Rochester in the corner of any of your pictures, I'm calling you out of the closet.
I thought Some 429s left the factory with q-jets in ‘71. Great street carb actually. As far as carbs and gender bending, just look at my avatar. ‘Nuff said...
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how about 3-2V using the new FI-tech replacement for carbs
Using fuel injection on pre-1986 vehicles is gay. Like, LGBT gay. Like, Fire Island gay. Like, Barack Obama gay. You're not going to get the oohs and aahs that classic clobberators will get. Plus, gay FI will go SWISH when you hit the gas pedal. No roar, just swish. I mean, Gay Pride Parade performance. We're talking mincing in black leather jockstraps in front of the kids performance.
Nope. Can't have that. :)
I didn't see that on there website. Thanks for the warning!
https://www.fireisland.com/
It’s there, look under the “explore” tab. Water sports, eco-friendly, and the clincher under bicycle ediquitte “ring your bell when passing pedestrians” ??? Cmon, that’s as gay as assless leather chaps....
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FEEE-lony---
I hope you realize you're not being completely politically correct with your comments ;)
KS
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FEEE-lony---
I hope you realize you're not being completely politically correct with your comments ;)
KS
Yea, cmon FElony, lighten up on the Viking stereotyping.... ;D
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And as for carburetors on FEs, I gave them up in favor of EFI more than 20 years ago. Can't beat it for drivability. EFI is massively superior, and when we got it tuned properly we got about a 2 second improvement from 2000 to 7000 RPM in second gear with a pair of Holley TBIs. That's compared to a pair of 652s that came out of the LeMans program. The testing was done on the half-mile oval at T&C Livonia using an accelerometer. :)
KS
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I thought Some 429s left the factory with q-jets in ‘71. Great street carb actually. As far as carbs and gender bending, just look at my avatar. ‘Nuff said...
My '70 Cyclone Spoiler came with a Q-Jet from the factory. Fortunately, the guy I bought if from liked girls, and had swapped in a spread-bore Holley. This allowed me to test-drive the car manhandling the shifter without lifting my pinky.
My 4-4-2 is Holley swapped. My Starfire is, uh, oh no! The Rochester is still on there! I HAVE A GAY CARB ON MY PROPERTY! Crap. Now I have to go down to the thrift store and shop for assless leather chaps. And a bell for my bicycle. I hate it when my insults backfire on me. :(
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FEEE-lony---
I hope you realize you're not being completely politically correct with your comments ;)
KS
Thank goodness. Heaven forbid that I be mistaken for rainbow-hugging, pillow-biting, Soros-snuggling, terminally dysfunctional snowflake member of an NPC mob instead of a testosterone-infused, booze-swilling, parts-hoarding, forced-celibate, professionally cynical secular rationalist.
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EFI is massively superior
KS
Yep, it certainly kills me to pump the gas pedal twice to start a car instead of not at all. Exhausting, for sure.
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I ran a Tri Power in my 4 spd 390 Mustang for 10+ years and it was a lot of fun.. I have since put it back to stock looking as i wanted to use the setup on a Galaxie.. But it still did all the right things when you dropped the clutch ;D
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FEEE-lony---
I hope you realize you're not being completely politically correct with your comments ;)
KS
Yea, cmon FElony, lighten up on the Viking stereotyping.... ;D
I'm offended :'( i seek out a safe place on the ship and..sharpen my battleaxe and dip my torches in tar
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how about 3-2V using the new FI-tech replacement for carbs
Using fuel injection on pre-1986 vehicles is gay. Like, LGBT gay. Like, Fire Island gay. Like, Barack Obama gay. You're not going to get the oohs and aahs that classic clobberators will get. Plus, gay FI will go SWISH when you hit the gas pedal. No roar, just swish. I mean, Gay Pride Parade performance. We're talking mincing in black leather jockstraps in front of the kids performance.
Nope. Can't have that. :)
I didn't see that on there website. Thanks for the warning!
https://www.fireisland.com/
Was there in 2000 didnt se a single sissy ;D off season i guess
They saw you coming with your battle armor, Viking coat of arms, a lit torch, and a flag that said "Lispys will get Crispy". Try being a little more subtle next time.
;D ;D Well... in Iowa grown men run and hide when i stepped out of the U-Haul truck
They thought i was from the New York mob. So perhaps i don't have a friendly cosy appearance
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FEEE-lony---
I hope you realize you're not being completely politically correct with your comments ;)
KS
Yea, cmon FElony, lighten up on the Viking stereotyping.... ;D
I'm offended :'( i seek out a safe place on the ship and..sharpen my battleaxe and dip my torches in tar
Yes, and enjoy dining on a side of mutton and a tankard of mead. Better make it three tankards; it'll improve your aim with the axe.
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Sweet as cherry pie!
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EFI is massively superior
KS
Yep, it certainly kills me to pump the gas pedal twice to start a car instead of not at all. Exhausting, for sure.
efi goes along nicely with that hydraulic roller stuff. “ ooooh lash my valves once a year???? Ooh I might break a nail....” lash those bastards till they beg. Then sodomize them. Then tie them down and lash em again, just for good measure...
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FEEE-lony---
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I hope you realize you're not being completely politically correct with your comments ;)
KS
Yea, cmon FElony, lighten up on the Viking stereotyping.... ;D
I'm offended :'( i seek out a safe place on the ship and..sharpen my battleaxe and dip my torches in tar
FEEE-lony---
I hope you realize you're not being completely politically correct with your comments ;)
KS
Yea, cmon FElony, lighten up on the Viking stereotyping.... ;D
I'm offended :'( i seek out a safe place on the ship and..sharpen my battleaxe and dip my torches in tar
Yes, and enjoy dining on a side of mutton and a tankard of mead. Better make it three tankards; it'll improve your aim with the axe.
FEEE-lony---
I hope you realize you're not being completely politically correct with your comments ;)
KS
Thank goodness. Heaven forbid that I be mistaken for rainbow-hugging, pillow-biting, Soros-snuggling, terminally dysfunctional snowflake member of an NPC mob instead of a testosterone-infused, booze-swilling, parts-hoarding, forced-celibate, professionally cynical secular rationalist.
“ Cynical secular rationalist” ;D that’s great. ;D Man it’s been years since I’ve pillaged a village...but my wife doesn’t approve of pillaging, and we have already established that I will throw my pseudo alpha status under the bus at the drop of a c-cup bra...that forced-celibate shit is for the birds, given a choice between maintaining my alpha male self delusions and daily muff diving, I go down like a submarine. Aaaooogaaa!
Hmmmm. Come to think of it, I guess the above makes me an empiricist rather than a rationalist?
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tunnel ram and efi is a good mix