Ford vs Ferrari

[Royce]

Yes I did see the LS head...   I got a kick out of that... I was wondering if anyone noticed.. None of the car guys with me did. I thought Damon did a good job on Shelby. 

[plovett]

I didn't notice the LS head.  That is funny. 

paulie

[oldiron.fe]

2x cpt.cj dont miss netflix shelby american(title) original pics/interviews gurney,andretti, hm, shelby, many builders craftsmen mechanics ford special ops. remember shelbys great driving skills in the 50s  not only gt-40s the cobra daytonas winning the gt class and 350r beating corveets and ecoboost winning i think in 2006

[428 GALAXIE]

Went to see this last Saturday all and all good movie not much goofy stuff.
Am I all alone saying the engine sounds were lame and wrong. Generic muffled V8 not straight pipe 427?
I was watching MotoGP race at Valencia about week ago that may have some influence seemingly lame sounds.

[plovett]

I also thought the engine sounds were not great.  At least you could tell a Ferrari V12 from an American V8?  I think?  I have to go back and listen again.

paulie

[cammerfe]

Keep in mind that a GT40 with a 'bundle-of-snakes' exhaust is a true 180 firing out the pipes. It sounds quite unlike a regular 427. It's a much higher tone than the bellow you get from a regular performance FE engine.

KS

[Stangman]

Saw the movie tonight with the kids and thought that it was a great movie. And they liked it also. The camshaft that was in the motor could it turn 75-7800 rpms.? Ken Miles must have been a pissa to hang out with. And the whole Beebe thing would really suck if he wasn’t really like the movie portrayed him, because he was an attention hungry wanna be important  douchbag in the movie. And they really screwed Ken in the end. It would have been nice if he got to go back again and finish what he started.

[428kidd]

Took my oldest to see it with me today . She is 7, was really surprised that the language wasn't that bad and I didn't have to cover her eyes any. I think she would have been far happier watching frozen2 , but she stuck it out. I told her one day she would think back on it and maybe it would mean something to her. All in all good movie, I liked it almost as much as the time I got to spend with her!

[thatdarncat]

Second week and Ford v Ferrari was still the number 2 movie in the US. It even beat Tom Hanks and the opening week of Mr. Rogers. Hopefully people get a chance to see it on a big theater screen.

[Rory428]

My wife and went and saw this movie today, and we both really liked it, a lot. In true Hollywood style, "artistic freedom" was certainly obvious, like the previously mentioned cruising at 200 MPH at light throttle, only to step on the gas pedal a few inches and make another gear change. Musta had one of those car movie 75 speed manual transmissions! And did anybody else notice how clunky and clanging the shifter was? But overall, thought it was a great movie. If you want a real laugh, you should check out the movie review from the "Grist", which appears to be a hand wringing, tree hugger site. I stumbled upon Grist while Googling the movie, seems they were all aflutter about the waste of fossil fuels, the glorification of the evil internal combustion engine, and the damage done to the planet by a bunch of horrible white males. Good for a laugh.

[Katz427]

The movie was entertaining if not overly accurate in historical details. IMO if one is interested in the facts, then a must read is 'Ford the Dust and the Glory' by Leo Levine. Henry Ford II was really a fairly quite spoken individual, as I remember from a couple stock holders meetings and watching him on TV interviews. Leo Beebe was painted wrong in the movie. Beebe was in the Navy with Henry II and was very much a trusted individual who pulled no punches. People who personally knew Beebe say he was nothing like the character in the movie. Actually if you read the history, Don Frey should receive a whole lot more credit, than he received in the movie, even Shelby felt Don Frey was the 'key' the person who made things happen. If you're interested check out Jay Leno's garage and the episode of Enzo's gift to Henry II of a Ferrari Barchetta in 1952.

[gt350hr]

   The Shelby American Automobile club had an interview with Leo Beebe 15 or so years ago. He fully admitted he had never seen an automobile race in person when he was given the position. He was a quick learner! It was Beebe that saw Ford was going the wrong way with the program and changed focus to RUNNING and the end of 24 hours instead of being the fastest until they broke. Beebe was smart enough and respectful enough to see the talented people on the program like Don Frey , Miles , Remington , and the others that made it happen.
    In true Hollywood fashion , there has to be a bad guy so there is drama. Things like Enzo being there ( NEVER happened) and other concessions like LS powered replicas filming mostly at our local Willow Springs raceway both forward and backward directions and modern cars
 in the background are all concessions we have to accept.
     I haven't seen it yet but will with an open mind.
        Randy

[machoneman]

Rabbit versus not quite tortoise racing!

Although Ford didn't invent the idea, the concept in practice, with multi-car teams at least, was to send out one car with driver instructions to go all out, while the #2 car, and #3 car (or more) to just keep pace with competitor's cars for most of the race.
In the actual LeMans events early on with Ford's factory involvement, most of the GT's broke for a variety of reasons. Later, after a steep learning curve, the GT's held together very well and started winning.

The 1967 race was seminal in the fact that the red #1 Mark IV was run out as a rabbit for most of the race (save some early braking on the Mulsanne straightway) and was leading so, so far ahead that even backing off it set distance, speed and endurance records that lasted for many years thereafter.  So said Dan Gurney and A.J. Foyt: https://www.roadandtrack.com/motorsports/videos/a33169/dan-gurney-aj-foyt-le-mans-1967/

[mbrunson427]

I watched the Netflix show "The 24 Hour War" as suggested above. Was well worth it. I enjoyed it as much or more than the Ford vs Ferrari movie. Interviews from Dan Gurney, Lee Holman, Ford III, Shelby, Andretti, Bob Bondurant, Enzo Ferrari's son, etc etc.

[jayb]

I watched the 24 Hour War too, thanks to Doug for suggesting that.  It was really very good.  One thing I didn't know that made me laugh was that the tradition of the winning driver spraying champagne at the crowd was started by Dan Gurney, after he won in the Mark IV in 1967.  He was just going for a laugh!  Now everybody does it LOL.