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1964 FE Fairlane questions
« on: August 27, 2018, 09:40:35 PM »
Hello,
 It took forever but I finally got a 64 Fairlane. I am not trying to build a Thunderbolt clone, but I do have a High Riser that is out of my boat and is going in eventually. (besides its a Sport Coupe not a post car). I know about crites and most of the things I need but I do have some questions for others who have done this.

1. How hard is it to adjust valves with an FE in. Will I regret it? Really want to run a mechanical cam to keep cost down and reliability up.

2. C4  to FE adapter. Will I have to modify the tunnel or will it go right in. Retain the column shift or go to a lokar?

3. Is there a heavy rate coil spring for the front or will a new replacement pair be fine.

I will stop there but of course I will have more. Thanks for your time.

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Re: 1964 FE Fairlane questions
« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2018, 09:50:00 PM »
Skylight Blue (not sure how to post a picture correctly sorry)
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Re: 1964 FE Fairlane questions
« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2018, 11:29:34 PM »
With the shock tower cut back, it's really no more difficult than a Mustang with an FE. The hardest part is just getting the bottom valve cover bolts out, but that's not difficult when you use a long 1/4" extension, a swivel and the socket. Just need to make sure it's a swivel and socket that locks in place so they don't pull off and drop down, or tape them so they stay together. I have a dedicated 1/4" ratchet with this set-up so I can just grab it and use it any time I want. Adjusting the rockers is no more difficult than any FE in any other car.

I'm sure you're probably already aware, since you already have experience with the FE, but a good valvetrain shouldn't need adjusted very often once everything is seated and wore in. I check mine once a year but rarely have to adjust them.
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Re: 1964 FE Fairlane questions
« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2018, 12:16:17 AM »
I don't own a '64 Fairlane with a FE, but I've looked at a couple real Thunderbolts, and a bunch of clones & racecars - I agree with Doug, adjusting valves shouldn't be difficult. I included a good picture of John Calvert's '64 Fairlane Stock Eliminator drag car, you can see it's a pretty open shot to get to the valves, relatively speaking. I also agree with Doug, all my hopped up FE's have been solid lifter, rarely do the valves need an actual adjustment past the initial break in time when I check them, so it's not something that should need constant attention.

I believe there are basically a couple FE to C4 adapter bellhousings - the one JPT ( Jim Paquet Transmission ) used to make, and the one PA ( Performance Automatic ) makes. The PA one is SFI certified and I think thicker aluminum, but I don't know if there are any issues to the trans tunnel. There may be a difference too in the type of C4 each adapter uses, I think the JPT needs a pan fill type C4 case and the PA can use a case fill type C4, maybe someone here can verify that. '64 Fairlanes did come with a C4 though, so I think as long as the transmission location stays close to the same it shouldn't be too bad, but just a guess. I think people also make their own FE to C4 adapters out of aluminum FE FMX bellhousings.

Again, no personal experience setting up a '64 Fairlane with a FE, but cars that are primarily used for drag racing often use the OEM front springs from a small block or even 6 cyl. combination, they may or may not work well in a car that is primarily street driven, but worth trying. A local spring shop, or a national shop like Eaton spring can help you select proper springs too, and make you springs if needed. Some of the answer will depend too on your particular car ( how much it's been lightened ) and the FE you use. FE's can be relatively light with aluminum heads, aluminum intake, aluminum bellhousing, aluminum water pump, and so on.

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Re: 1964 FE Fairlane questions
« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2018, 12:34:08 AM »
Our member Greg R's beautiful '64 Fairlane Stock Eliminator engine compartment.

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« Reply #5 on: August 28, 2018, 12:50:07 AM »
Mike, here's your picture rotated & resized. Nice car.

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Re: 1964 FE Fairlane questions
« Reply #6 on: August 28, 2018, 07:22:31 AM »
coil over and tube upper and lower control arms. coil over shocks

http://www.freakride.com/product/all-front-coil-over-conversion-systems/



FE to C4 bell

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Re: 1964 FE Fairlane questions
« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2018, 08:01:25 AM »
I use the stock 260 V-8 springs , I've had all iron engine in mine  (minus aluminium intake) no problems with the springs  …. adjusting valves is no problem … I strongly recommend cutting the Towers extremely close to the Coil springs , when I checked out Kurt Neighbors clone for the first time I realized I could have cut another inch out per side for easier header bolt access , you will have to clearance the firewall tunnel a little and a big to medium hammer works fine

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Re: 1964 FE Fairlane questions
« Reply #8 on: August 30, 2018, 07:24:25 AM »
The PA (Performance Automatic) FE bell housing fits on a case fill C4. Not sure about the Fairlane tunnel but they do fit in a Maverick tunnel without modification. Your Fairlane is a nice looking car.
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Re: 1964 FE Fairlane questions
« Reply #9 on: August 30, 2018, 11:58:31 AM »
Hello,
 It took forever but I finally got a 64 Fairlane. I am not trying to build a Thunderbolt clone, but I do have a High Riser that is out of my boat and is going in eventually. (besides its a Sport Coupe not a post car). I know about crites and most of the things I need but I do have some questions for others who have done this.

1. How hard is it to adjust valves with an FE in. Will I regret it? Really want to run a mechanical cam to keep cost down and reliability up.

2. C4  to FE adapter. Will I have to modify the tunnel or will it go right in. Retain the column shift or go to a lokar?

3. Is there a heavy rate coil spring for the front or will a new replacement pair be fine.

I will stop there but of course I will have more. Thanks for your time.
I'd like to hear more about your boat. V-drive, Jet, other?...The typical info...Thanks.

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Re: 1964 FE Fairlane questions
« Reply #10 on: August 30, 2018, 01:57:25 PM »
Thank you for all the replies/compliments

Cjshaker- That’s music to my ears. I’m am using and plan to retain the old Isky cast iron adjustable rocker with the stellite tips. And I agree, adjustment is minimal or none on what I have been running so far.
Thatdarncat- Damn those bell housing aren’t’ cheap. As for the springs one of my worries are the crites headers that hang down low. I wasn’t sure if people remedied this with taller springs or taller tires. I guess when I get there a custom spring might be needed? Thank you for fixing my picture!

Hwoods- I am aware of the coil over and mustang 2 kits. Very nice, but trying to keep it cheap and period correct to a certain point.

E Philpott- That good news. If I use the crites kit how would I cut closer to the coils if it’s a pre-made template? Or did they make a custom piece? I will be running the stock HR heads with a stock aluminum single 4v intake. (Side oiler service block) Hammers ok, just don’t want to cut if I don’t have to.

Mn67- Thank you. I agree I think the PA will be the one for me. Any experience in their transmissions?

RJP- The boat is a 1975 Miller light weight with a berkely jet. My uncles raced jetboats in the 70s and 80s at lake Ming with this high riser. They later built another (HR) with a Hank the Crank 4.125 stroker Bill Miller rods, and a PSE intake with a tunnel ram. Between me and my cousin we still have everything. Living in CA I’m tired of waiting for our lakes to fill up, so a Fairlane it is. My grandfather took my uncles to the 1964 winter nationals and after watching the thunderbolts do their thing, FE’s,Galaxies,Mustangs, Cyclones have been in our family ever since.

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Re: 1964 FE Fairlane questions
« Reply #11 on: August 30, 2018, 02:03:11 PM »
 I don't see an issue  with the FE to C4 adapter either. The Fairlane tunnel is huge compared to most Ford's in the bell area and a stick FE bell fits. The tunnel narrows sharply from there but as mentioned they came with C4's stock. Any modifications if needed would be minor.

 One thing I didn't see addressed is the shifter. The Tbolts got by with the stock column  shifter. Half the streetrods I've built the customer buys the hype and gets a Lokar They are the largest POS in the industry, potmetal China junk with American flag stickers on the box. To make them function at all I've had to redesign the mounting systems, linkage and modify or replace the detents. Reverse/Neutral safety does not function and requires the slot to be machined or carefully filed. They are to limp wrist into gear and buy ice cream at best and completely unsafe for anything beyond that. Even a $50 Mr Gasket universal from AutoZone is a better quality piece.*Sorry for the rant, any junk the NSRA supports people buy blindly and drag in here.

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Re: 1964 FE Fairlane questions
« Reply #12 on: August 30, 2018, 06:58:08 PM »
Thank you for all the replies/compliments

Cjshaker- That’s music to my ears. I’m am using and plan to retain the old Isky cast iron adjustable rocker with the stellite tips. And I agree, adjustment is minimal or none on what I have been running so far.
Thatdarncat- Damn those bell housing aren’t’ cheap. As for the springs one of my worries are the crites headers that hang down low. I wasn’t sure if people remedied this with taller springs or taller tires. I guess when I get there a custom spring might be needed? Thank you for fixing my picture!

Hwoods- I am aware of the coil over and mustang 2 kits. Very nice, but trying to keep it cheap and period correct to a certain point.

E Philpott- That good news. If I use the crites kit how would I cut closer to the coils if it’s a pre-made template? Or did they make a custom piece? I will be running the stock HR heads with a stock aluminum single 4v intake. (Side oiler service block) Hammers ok, just don’t want to cut if I don’t have to.

Mn67- Thank you. I agree I think the PA will be the one for me. Any experience in their transmissions?

RJP- The boat is a 1975 Miller light weight with a berkely jet. My uncles raced jetboats in the 70s and 80s at lake Ming with this high riser. They later built another (HR) with a Hank the Crank 4.125 stroker Bill Miller rods, and a PSE intake with a tunnel ram. Between me and my cousin we still have everything. Living in CA I’m tired of waiting for our lakes to fill up, so a Fairlane it is. My grandfather took my uncles to the 1964 winter nationals and after watching the thunderbolts do their thing, FE’s,Galaxies,Mustangs, Cyclones have been in our family ever since.
Always admired Millers, beautiful boat I'm in Nor Cal...Not many places where hotboats are welcome anymore. I boated at Lake Berryessa until BLM shut all the old resorts down and Lake Tulloch with too many residents on the lake now and complaining about noise. Thanks for the response. edit: No idea why the lines thru text

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Re: 1964 FE Fairlane questions
« Reply #13 on: August 30, 2018, 10:38:54 PM »
I'd like to hear more about your boat. V-drive, Jet, other?...The typical info...Thanks.

If you want to see a couple pics of his boat, check out the Private Classifieds section for jet boat headers. Pretty cool piece, especially with that big Highriser sticking out of the hull! And without a doubt, I'm SURE that thing sounded bada$$!!
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Re: 1964 FE Fairlane questions
« Reply #14 on: September 04, 2018, 11:59:17 PM »
Springs are not so simple on a 64 Fairlane. They are huge, bigger diameter and longer than anything else. No replacements were available when I built mine so I used stock springs and it sits almost bottomed out and way to soft a rate. Fine for drag racing but I plan to make a street car out of it and will need something firmer and sit it a bit higher.

I'm surprised Calvert runs that terrible C4AE-D intake. The other one (C4AE-F) in the second shot is better. Both are legal for Stock aren't they?