Lykins Motorsports 511ci FE, 894 hp @ 7600, Turning Water Pump & Alternator

[MeanGene]

Hello guys, $25-$30,M filters sold and retired Yet this dual sump oil pan issue screams WRONG

   1) the existence of a reservoir (front sump) that is not actively/seriously engaged in the lube system's volume . Sorry to say the
front sump's oil is actually in the realm of having a few bottles of oil secured to the side of the motor. Potentially even worse in that the few times the front sumps oil "adds" to the oil "working" inside the motor  likely are not near when the addition volume are actually engaged in the lube system's volume dynamics.   
The old yet still here  Accusump's seemingly address adding/subtracting somewhat selectively oil to the engine's oil volume though again is this addition/subtraction at the truly optimum time?

2) A elementary rule of filtration is if you have a body of lube and you wish to bypass filter said oil body, then ten-times filtering the lube out and back-in will provide a high 90's probability you've filtered all the lube...LOL just imagine how much that stuck-in-front-sump gets mingled into the "working" lube oil?.......

2A)  Reason for adding/increasing oil volume is to assure uninterrupted oil to the pump.  Then of course as a heat sink. Funny God intended for a running wet-sump system to drop the oil level ... Is it the end of world if a cranks static rod journals are parked in oil .....
3) the HP figures on this beast look like they would be well served by a dry-sump for the half-dozen reason's we all should know,  but what do I know?......Today's 11,000+ HP  Top/Fuel motors are just fine on a wet-sump oil pan/pump LOL
 

I’m having trouble understanding what point you’re trying to make.

Brent, the problem is not on your end lol 

[frnkeore]

The solution to this problem, is to run a small single stage, dry sump pump, from the front to the rear sump.

It wouldn't cost very much, because it needs no pressure regulation, just a 2 timing pulleys and a belt.

[cjshaker]

Thank you, Doug.  Appreciate it. 

Believe it or not, it's going in a '64 Ford Falcon street car.  LOL  He's running a TKX, which I think will decide to go the way of the world if he ever hooks it up on slicks.

I had "street" on that list, but removed it when I saw the 13:1 ratio. Traction would definitely be your enemy with a TKX.

[Qikbbstang]

Sorry for confusing the dual sump pan issue I only wanted to point out that a second sump is near as useless or even worse then mounting a couple bottles of oil to the side of motor to add to lube system's capacity.    Thought I'd be courteous and not trash-can Brett in any way for installing such a huge mistake of a pan to begin with on such a magnificent state of the art example of a FE.   

[Joe-JDC]

Seems this fellow is back in circulation after a long hiatus?  Been a while.  Joe-JDC

[jayb]

Sorry for confusing the dual sump pan issue I only wanted to point out that a second sump is near as useless or even worse then mounting a couple bottles of oil to the side of motor to add to lube system's capacity.    Thought I'd be courteous and not trash-can Brett in any way for installing such a huge mistake of a pan to begin with on such a magnificent state of the art example of a FE.

Brent installed the pan that the customer asked for, in order to fit the intended chassis - Jay

[MeanGene]

In the real world (where some folks have just never dwelled) the front part of that pan is not really a functional "sump", it's just a little house for the oil pump to live in, that fills up with oil, to fit a particular engine in a car that was not designed around it, without major surgery to the car. It's a compromise at best, but lets you put together a low cost, fun car. Unfortunately, the thread became infested by an obfuscator from the past

[blykins]

Pictures of said engine...









BTW, I need to give credit where it's due.  Joe did the port work on the intake adapter and the intake manifold both.  As always, he did a fine job.

[Qikbbstang]

So the pick-up screen on the end of that seriously long tube resides in the smaller rear-sump?.........
Let's not dare question IF a windage tray is even possible.

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Posted by: MeanGene:
In the real world (where some folks have just never dwelled) the front part of that pan is not really a functional "sump", it's just a little house for the oil pump to live in, that fills up with oil, to fit a particular engine in a car that was not designed around it, without major surgery to the car. It's a compromise at best, but lets you put together a low cost, fun car. Unfortunately, the thread became infested by an obfuscator from the past

[jayb]

BB, the rear sump is the larger one.  And I have put a windage tray with a custom rear sump pan on my Mach1, the pickup tube goes up against the bottom of the windage tray.  Only a slight modification to the windage tray was required.

I have worked with that pan before and know it's disadvantages.  A while back I did an engine for one of our forum members that had to use that pan in a Fox body Mustang.  I modified the pan by making both sumps deeper, using kickouts on the rear sump to increase the oil capacity even further, and then running a #12 AN line between the front sump and the rear sump, so that oil from the front sump would remain at the same level as the rear sump.  I was able to get the capacity up to 8 quarts and still keep the oil level an inch and a half before the windage tray, if memory serves.  That pan really needs modifications like that.

[wowens]

Believe it or not, it's going in a '64 Ford Falcon street car.  LOL  He's running a TKX, which I think will decide to go the way of the world if he ever hooks it up on slicks.
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It will shell  TKX,  ask me how I know. Bought 3 for a street car.

[blykins]

Believe it or not, it's going in a '64 Ford Falcon street car.  LOL  He's running a TKX, which I think will decide to go the way of the world if he ever hooks it up on slicks.

It will shell  TKX,  ask me how I know. Bought 3 for a street car.
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Yep, I warned him of that.