Author Topic: AUTOLITE INLINE 4V CARB  (Read 2292 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

jayb

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7495
    • View Profile
    • FE Power
Re: AUTOLITE INLINE 4V CARB
« Reply #15 on: January 21, 2025, 09:37:11 PM »
Has anyone tuned one of these carbs, since Jay did his?

It doesn't seem like it would that big of a problem, to get the bog out of it, to a well experienced carb guy. There are some very talented guy's out there.

It pretty much has to be in the transfer or emulsion circuit. I doubt that it would be lack of accelerator pump capacity, with 4 pumps, Holley's get along just fine with 2 pumps, per 4v. 

Jay, did you try different size squirters?

If I recall correctly (it's been about 40 years LOL), there were no replaceable squirters like a Holley has, or if there were, different ones weren't available.  My accelerator pumps would each spit out 1-2 little drops of fuel from each pump.  Certainly nothing like a stream of fuel that you get from a Holley pump.  I replaced the pump diaphrams and the check valves to try to solve this problem; I remember buying some Autolite carb rebuild kits to get all the parts I needed.  But this didn't solve the problem.  It just seemed like the accelerator pump chamber wasn't filling with fuel.

Bear in mind that these carbs were far from new when I got them, and may have been modified from their stock condition.  Who knows what issues they may have had...
Jay Brown
- 1969 Mach 1, Drag Week 2005 Winner NA/BB, 511" FE (10.60s @ 129); Drag Week 2007 Runner-Up PA/BB, 490" Supercharged FE (9.35 @ 151)
- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC

   

kcoffield

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 46
    • View Profile
    • inlinecarb.com
Re: AUTOLITE INLINE 4V CARB
« Reply #16 on: January 22, 2025, 11:08:56 AM »
Has anyone tuned one of these carbs, since Jay did his?

All the time.


If I recall correctly (it's been about 40 years LOL), there were no replaceable squirters like a Holley has, or if there were, different ones weren't available.  My accelerator pumps would each spit out 1-2 little drops of fuel from each pump.  Certainly nothing like a stream of fuel that you get from a Holley pump.  I replaced the pump diaphrams and the check valves to try to solve this problem; I remember buying some Autolite carb rebuild kits to get all the parts I needed.  But this didn't solve the problem.  It just seemed like the accelerator pump chamber wasn't filling with fuel.

Bear in mind that these carbs were far from new when I got them, and may have been modified from their stock condition.  Who knows what issues they may have had...

Well clearly, the pumps were inactive and no surprise it stumbled with no pump function. I certainly can't say what was available to you 40 years ago but 50 years ago tuning parts were certainly available (and are from me now) and the shooters are indeed tunable and replaceable. Replacing them is not as easy as it should be but they almost always need to be larger (unless previously modified), and you can do that with a wire gauge drill and pin vise without removing them. Replacing them is a little more involved as seen here on my website.

https://inlinecarb.com/uploads/3/4/4/8/34481757/replacing_shooters.pdf

There were also mod kits for the check valves. They could be helpful but weren't necessary most of the time though I do recommend this and a mod of my own for IR carbs.

https://inlinecarb.com/uploads/3/4/4/8/34481757/conical_check_valve_modification_for_accelerator_pump_circuit.pdf

There is a .014" bleed vent to the pump well from the main well and if that becomes plugged by old fuel (which almost is always the case with a carb that was put away wet), the accelerator well often will either not fill or not fill completely. As a matter of course, I make sure they are clear when I rebuild a carb. Also, there are a number of things I do to insure the check valves function properly.

The most common thing I get is from folks is "my carb is NOS" so I don't need rebuild parts. -Not true. 55-year-old accel pump diaphragms are so hard they won't move regardless of whether they have ever seen fuel......which means they won't pump.

Finer tuning with the emulsion tubes is similar to Weber carbs in principle and neither hard to understand nor to do. You just have to be willing to do it. A good tach and A/F meter helps a bunch......but this is so tuning any carb.

As Barry said, IR systems can be a bit finicky, and by nature want a completely different jetting and enrichment scheme, and truth be told, different cam profile and ignition curve. But I've had owners that throw a stock carb on a unique IR engine combo, and when it won't run worth a pooh, or at all, they throw their hands up and blame the carb.

I have customers that are just collectors and that's fine, but I enjoy working with those that intend to run them and that's why I make custom systems (and because I like the challenge of making them). If you have tuning experience, and understand the basic functions of carbs, an Inline isn't hard to understand and although I can't virtually tune everyone's unique engine combination via email, I can usually talk a reasonably versed person through it in a phone call.

This is just hobby stuff for me so whether you want to run an Inline doesn't matter to me, but for those who do want to run them, I try to accommodate and support them, and the reasons people do are probably not much different than the reasons they own a 60-year-old car or build on a 50-60-year-old engine platform.

The discussion here in this thread is fairly typical, I'll quit bangin' on about it cuz it's not really FE talk, but Inlines are tunable carbs.....it's just unrealistic to expect them to suit every unique engine in the configuration they were originally built without tuning.

Best,
Kelly


jayb

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7495
    • View Profile
    • FE Power
Re: AUTOLITE INLINE 4V CARB
« Reply #17 on: January 22, 2025, 03:14:09 PM »
Kelly, thanks for the explanation.  I would bet that the bleed holes to the pump well you mentioned was clogged or blocked somehow with my carbs.  Knowing nothing about them at the time, and being a fairly inexperienced mechanic, I would not have known what to look for.  It's too bad, because the car ran really hard after overcoming the initial stumble...
Jay Brown
- 1969 Mach 1, Drag Week 2005 Winner NA/BB, 511" FE (10.60s @ 129); Drag Week 2007 Runner-Up PA/BB, 490" Supercharged FE (9.35 @ 151)
- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC

   

kcoffield

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 46
    • View Profile
    • inlinecarb.com
Re: AUTOLITE INLINE 4V CARB
« Reply #18 on: January 22, 2025, 08:36:30 PM »
.......and being a fairly inexperienced mechanic, I would not have known what to look for.  It's too bad, because the car ran really hard after overcoming the initial stumble...

My how times change. If you ever get the itch again, you know where to find me.  :)

When I was young, I knew guys that hated AFBs and QuadraJets but I also knew guys that could work magic with them. I had drag racing friends that loved their variable venturi Predator carbs and did very well with them. I had a fella that drag raced IR Inlines and he actually locked out the accelerator pumps because he launched at high Rs, was tuned for that range, and never fell out of it or needed the enrichment circuits.

......but it's pretty hard to beat a good old Holley. They are practical, do the job well, and well known to many.

I think it really comes down to what you're familiar with and invested in as far as tuning parts and experience. I like good horse sense tuners though and will take a great engine tuner over deep pockets.

One of my favorites is with the Cross Boss Inline Carb Plenum intake for the B302. The runners on that intake are horizontal and nested across the valley and the exposed to the plenum on the opposite cylinder bank. The #5 runner is the first one from front to back and it has a big dent in it to clear the distributor. If you get the system in tune per an A/F meter, you'll miss the fact that #5 runs lean (and to a lesser extent #1) unless you read plugs, or maybe EGT. To this day, there is a fella on the B2 forum that claims the CB intake is junk without radical surgery. 30 years ago, I had a fella tell me to just run one or two size larger main jets in the front carb bore......problem solved. :D

Best,
Kelly

kcoffield

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 46
    • View Profile
    • inlinecarb.com
Re: AUTOLITE INLINE 4V CARB
« Reply #19 on: January 24, 2025, 10:10:50 PM »
I was thinking about how many times I have made web forum posts about this same subject matter and finally just decided to take an hour and make a video on the topic of Inlines and basic tuning. Hopefully you may find it useful.

https://youtu.be/B8G3f_1HagQ?si=21rWnM_s8IvrJfEe

Best,
Kelly

Royce

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 783
    • View Profile
Re: AUTOLITE INLINE 4V CARB
« Reply #20 on: January 25, 2025, 10:44:42 AM »
Hmmm is this the genesis of a comprehensive Jay Brown dyno thrash to sort this out? 
1955 Thunderbird Competition Coupe Altered Chassis "War Bird" 383 Lincoln Y block 520 hp
1955 Thunderbird 292 275 hp Y Block
1956 Ford Victoria 292 Y block

1957 Mercury 2dr Wagon "Battle Wagon" drag car 
1957 Thunderbird Glass body Tube Chassis drag car 333 cu in 500 hp Ford Y block
1961 Starliner 390/375 clone
1965 GT40 tribute w/FE
1966 Falcon Pro Touring project
Kaase Boss 547. 840 HP 698 Torque  pump gas
1992 BMW V-12 5.0
2001 Lincoln 5.4 4 cam
2000 Jaguar XK8 (Ford V8)

Dr Mabuse

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 76
    • View Profile
Re: AUTOLITE INLINE 4V CARB
« Reply #21 on: January 31, 2025, 04:54:30 PM »
Hmmm is this the genesis of a comprehensive Jay Brown dyno thrash to sort this out?

I would like to see Jay start building new/revised Ford Inline carbs, and intake manifolds to go along with them. He probably has lots of free time on his schedule?