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FE Technical Forum / Re: Who Made this Rod?
« on: March 07, 2024, 07:54:32 PM »
A high performance fastener, like a 12-point, will in general have more bearing area than a socket head cap screw.  The hardware store six-point Grade 8 you're comparing to isn't suitable for a critical application.

I don't care about showing people that I'm right.  All I care about is keeping people reading this forum from getting bad information.  In mechanical engineering practice, you will not see socket head cap screws used in critical, high performance joints.  They are inferior to the external Torx or 12-points that are in all of the specialty / racing / military / aerospace applications.  Those are what you want.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Who Made this Rod?
« on: March 07, 2024, 10:56:48 AM »
Forgive me Jay, but I need to flex a bit.  This has turned into a pretty nerdy argument, but I don't want people reading this thread to come away with dangerous information.

Yes a standard inch-series steel socket head cap screw has roughly 20% higher tensile strength than a typical grade 8 bolt.  A big reason for that is so the head doesn't explode when you try to torque it.  (The internal hex drive wants to split the bolt head.)   You can't use anywhere near that strength to generate clamp load in the joint.  The small head limits the maximum clamp load too. 

Take that same 20% higher tensile steel and put a proper external Torx or 12-point head on the screw, or even a standard external 6 point hex head.  Then put it on a dynamic fastener "Junker" test machine.  The results will blow away the original Allen cap screw. 

I have a few qualifications too:

- Masters Degree in Mechanical Engineering - Machine Dynamics.
- Passed the Professional Engineer License Exam (which was full of questions about fasteners).
- Cylinder Head Systems Engineer at Ford.  A BIG part of my job was high performance fasteners.  No, you will never find an Allen socket head cap screw holding down a modern automotive cylinder head.
- 35 years experience in machinery design.
- Oh yeah, I'm a very experienced machinist too.  A big part of my current business is building prototypes of my designs using manual mills and lathes, as well as my Haas CNC mill.



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FE Technical Forum / Re: Who Made this Rod?
« on: March 07, 2024, 01:45:52 AM »
Allen (SHCS) are 13% stronger than grade 8 bolts.

Frank - That's not correct.  The "strength" is in the material, not the bolt head shape.  I can buy Allen head socket cap screws made out out of Nylon.  Jay is right about the cracking issue, plus the internal hex drive / thin walls cannot handle the drive torque needed for good clamp load in a high performance application.  The bearing area under the screw head is also too small to support much clamp load.

You'll never see these six-point socket cap screws in any critical machinery application where they are required to maintain a high clamp load.  That's why I'm really puzzled by those rods...




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FE Technical Forum / Re: Who Made this Rod?
« on: March 06, 2024, 07:37:00 PM »
In my opinion, Allen head screws do not belong anywhere near a connecting rod.  You won't even find those on a lawnmower!!  You can't get anywhere near the torque / clamp load needed for heavy use. 

Makes me scratch my head about what these were intended for.  The rest of the rod looks pretty stout, but the fasteners  ??? ???

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Non-FE Discussion Forum / Re: Lazy sunday
« on: February 27, 2024, 07:41:15 PM »

Yep, those are power line insulators. Got a collection of them myself. Kids today would probably think they're butt plugs.

I see some "knob-and-tube" insulators from old house wiring.  My house is from 1927, and that's what they did back then.  You hammer in the "knobs" to run wires along the ceiling joists, then drill holes and put ceramic insulator "tubes" to pass wires through the joists.  Then you drop down the walls to switches and outlets.  It was cotton insulated wire, with no separate ground!

We had to completely re-wire our house when we bought it.  Don't even get me started on replacing galvanized pipes and clay sewer lines...  >:(

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Non-FE Discussion Forum / Re: Strange thunder
« on: February 27, 2024, 07:32:14 PM »
I live next to Long beach airport.  Boeing used to maintain a repair depot there for the B1-B.  They would replace the huge (truck tire-sized) Teflon pivot bushings for the airplane's swing wings.

I had a friend at Boeing who would tell me when a B1-B was going to be flying out.  They would usually leave in the evening at full military power (afterburners blazing).  Man the noise and the sight of those shock diamonds in the exhaust was something to behold!

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Non-FE Discussion Forum / Re: Lazy sunday
« on: February 26, 2024, 01:44:11 PM »
Tonka, one of the best things to ever come out of the great state of Minnesota.


I have fond memories as a kid of my green Tonka dump truck.  That thing had a hard life!  One day my mom was coming home from shopping in her '71 Ford Country Squire wagon.  Going down Parade Hill Road, she got passed by my Tonka dump truck - loaded with my sister's Barbie dolls - on fire!

The truck lived on quite a while after that.  My butt assumed the same color as my Tonka fire engine later that evening  ::) ::)

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Non-FE Discussion Forum / Re: Ford Super Van
« on: February 08, 2024, 12:15:16 PM »
I thought about that Renault :o  I wounder why Renault comit so much to racing and rally
when their customers consist of wino female shrinks and scoolteatcher with Marxsist ideas with zero interest in racing

Heo - Don't be shy!  Tell us how you really feel!!  ;D ;D

Those people in the US can't have Renaults, so they buy Subarus instead  :-X

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Non-FE Discussion Forum / Re: Ford Super Van
« on: February 04, 2024, 02:44:09 PM »
Renault came up with an answer to the Ford Super Van in the mid 90's.  It's the V-10 F1 Espace van, probably the best sounding van ever built!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uklB0fgRkfQ

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Battery fuse
« on: January 24, 2024, 12:26:54 PM »
Re: Over-Amping

Charles Kettering first hit upon this principle when he invented the electric starter in 1912!  All of the experts told him that no available electric motor could provide that kind of torque in a reasonable size to package for a car.  Kettering realized you could over-drive the crap out of a small motor for a short time, if it had enough thermal mass to absorb the heat.

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Non-FE Discussion Forum / Re: Brisk winterday
« on: January 17, 2024, 10:39:06 PM »
Heo - That last picture is very nice!!

I don't know if I could stand -40 very long.  My wife gets very cold feet, and she insists on warming them up on me when we climb into bed  :o :o

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Composite Rockers
« on: December 31, 2023, 01:21:52 AM »
I remember around 1990 at Ford hearing about Polimotor  https://polimotor.com/ 

They were building a complete composite four cylinder race engine.  I remember seeing impressive pictures of engine explosions!  Usually all that was left of a failed crank was cotton candy in the block  ;D

If you look at the website, they seem to have mostly given up on composite engine parts.  They are focusing more on metal 3D printing now.

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Non-FE Discussion Forum / Re: Calliope Engine Project
« on: December 21, 2023, 07:29:56 PM »
The Calliope that I saw was in the lobby of the Ford Dyno Building when I worked there back in the late 80's.  That one didn't have injector stacks.  Instead it had a brace of original 58mm Webers on top  :o There's no doubt that it was a Calliope because of the big placard describing it.

It's amazing the stuff they had lying around back then.  The poor engine had old coffee cups lying on it...  Right across the lobby was a 1963 pushrod Indy small block.  Somebody finally got smart around 1990 and scooped up those two engines for Ford's collection.

Great project Jay!  "Ambition" should be your middle name...

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Non-FE Discussion Forum / Re: Northernlight
« on: December 19, 2023, 10:46:30 AM »
Super nice pictures Heo!  Wishing you and your family a great Christmas season!

- Bill

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Non-FE Discussion Forum / Re: it happens
« on: December 04, 2023, 06:57:50 PM »
I'm developing a very long life electrical slip ring assembly for a special project.  It uses a custom blend of graphite powder and grease.  THAT STUFF WILL GET INTO YOUR UNDERWEAR IF YOU EVEN LOOK AT IT  :o :o

I feel your pain, Heo.  There are days when you'd rather not be around the nice hats.

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