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FE Technical Forum / Re: Grooved vs non-grooved cam journals 2 and 4 ?
« on: August 06, 2025, 03:56:07 PM »
Frank - What you are showing will certainly not hurt anything. 

I don't see a real benefit though.  If you use pipe flow formulas, the 0.070" restricted "leaks" at 2 and 4 are a tiny percentage of the flow in the galleries.  You would see more flow effects from the bearing clearance tolerance.  It's a fun exercise, but I'll put my trust in those old timers who originally designed the FE.  I met some of those guys when I was there, and they were no dummies!

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Grooved vs non-grooved cam journals 2 and 4 ?
« on: August 06, 2025, 01:18:58 PM »
Huh??  Frank, can you please explain?  In my book, restricting the flow at the existing 2 and 4 passages will have the same effect as blocking completely and creating new feed lines.  The main oil gallery flow and pressure would be the same in both cases.

Edit - Oh wait, I see it's a Top Oiler.  I still don't see any difference to the main bearing oil feed either way.  I could see how you'd think that taking extra oil at #2 and #4 would create a local pressure drop, but the flow is pretty minimal when properly restricted.  Taking the top end feed off the beginning of the main gallery would evenly distribute the pressure drop, but to me it doesn't seem to be worth the effort.


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FE Technical Forum / Re: cross bolt conversion cost
« on: August 04, 2025, 11:17:18 PM »
And now for something completely different!  This isn't really a bed plate.  It's more of a die cast aluminum "cocoon" that ties into those long spindly main caps.  This is the Ford 2.7L Ecoboost out of the F-150 and Bronco.  Strange!!


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FE Technical Forum / Re: cross bolt conversion cost
« on: August 04, 2025, 10:59:03 PM »
Interesting Scott!  I did not know this  ;D

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FE Technical Forum / Re: cross bolt conversion cost
« on: August 04, 2025, 08:54:38 AM »
Yup - That's a good example on a block that wasn't originally designed for one.  A bed plate ties all of the main caps and pan rails together with a stiff structure.  Of course if you design the block from the get-go for a bed plate, it will end up cleaner and lower profile.

Here's one on a Honda K-Series four cylinder:


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FE Technical Forum / Re: cross bolt conversion cost
« on: August 04, 2025, 12:46:09 AM »
john-oldiron

Gapp-Roush was before my time there, but I never heard about any special things they did to their lower end structure on the 427 blocks.  I did get to know Ray Paquet.  He didn't do anything radical to the structure of his cross-bolted 427 blocks either (aside from rod journal diameter/width and oil system detailing).  The lightest possible reciprocating components and selecting for most consistent cylinder wall thickness were his focus on the block side.  There was a bit of block fill if I recall correctly, but that was mainly for cylinder wall stability.

Now as for general bottom end stability, nothing beats a bed plate.  That's where the caps are tied together into a massive plate structure that makes up the bottom half of the block.  It's pretty much a must-have for any modern max effort engine. Deep skirts with four or six bolts + cross bolting will get you a long way as well.  Those solutions will pretty much kill the bottom end wobbling that we were seeing.  You also want to lighten the reciprocating assembly as much as possible, and fully internally balance the engine.  We ended up building a "world class" four cylinder demonstration engine with a bed plate and all of the above tricks.  It was as good or better than anything out of Japan or Germany at the time.  Of course it never made it to production  >:(    As far as block fill, I have noticed some modern engines have shortened water jackets for improved structure.

I doubt you'd find a modern Formula One engine without a bed plate.  There are several production engines out there now that use them, especially if turbocharged.  At Ford, the Ecoboost V-6 Engine in the latest Ford GT, along with some Ecoboost four cylinders got bed plates.




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Member Projects / Re: '68 Mustang Coupe Drag Car
« on: July 31, 2025, 08:39:09 AM »
Nice Mike!  Looks and sounds great  ;D

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FE Technical Forum / Re: cross bolt conversion cost
« on: July 30, 2025, 01:25:00 PM »
Regarding cap and skirt movement...  While at Ford my specialty was NVH.  We were chasing improvements to engine sound quality by stiffening up the bottom end structure. 

Dyno tests with accelerometers mounted to caps and side skirts were eye-opening!  To say the stuff moves around, at stock power levels, is an understatement  :o  I couldn't believe those results.  How does our stuff even stay together??

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Bad ground is my guess.  Touch your voltmeter probes between the positive wire to the sender and the fuel tank.  I bet the reading is sketchy / intermittent.

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Vendor Classifieds / Re: Spark Plug Spacers For Pond SOHC Heads
« on: July 29, 2025, 10:03:52 AM »
Two sets for me as well!  Thanks, Brent  ;D

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Cammer Rocker Problems
« on: June 01, 2025, 09:36:33 AM »
I am going to take a crack at this from a different angle. Are his shafts regular thickness or HD ones that are thicker? We all saw Bill Connely spintron video years ago. As a MFG  of shafts I had access to a spintron  long ago but with a wedge head at a different angle than his. Viewed the shaft long ways. Stock shaft vs, spacers vs Hd shafts vs spacer. What a difference in the wave. Get a surf board LOL. But an idea. This solved alot and yes frequency changed/ resonance. Maybe ??? what you guys think.

 Doug aka pumpbldr
Precision Oil Pumps

Doug - Shaft bending is certainly a possible contributor.  There could be just the right combination of soldiers marching in step on this bridge.  I have a feeling this is going to be a really weird combination of factors.  As Brent says, a steel rocker should have no issues at typical cammer spring loads.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Cammer Rocker Problems
« on: May 31, 2025, 09:06:51 AM »
Like Ross, I'm guessing the spring pressure and installed height on that cylinder are just right for a resonance.  You can't rule out timing error due to the chain, but wouldn't you see that more on the exhaust valve?  I guess violent chain whip could cause the intake valve to advance enough at certain moments, especially if the starboard cam is installed really advanced...

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Very nice Brent!  That's a solid torque number as well  ;D

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Non-FE Discussion Forum / Re: Hate to ask a GM question...
« on: April 17, 2025, 09:06:38 AM »
I’m also finding that everybody thinks changing your oil every 7500 miles when the change oil light comes on is ok. I put 4000 miles on customers oil stickers even when using synthetic and personally I use synthetic and still change every 3000 or pretty close to it. I know oils are better but oil is also a cleaner and after 5000 miles or so I don’t think it’s better than regular oil at that mileage. JMO.


THIS!!!  Everybody seems to be on the extended oil change wagon these days.  Combine this trend with more power from turbocharging / direct injection and you've got rod bearing failures across several manufacturers.  Today's thin oil is not helping either.  Smart people are changing their oil more often, and evidence suggests they are experiencing far fewer problems.

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Kevin - The pictures show a block casting number C7AE-A.

Fordification's site shows this is likely a '68 Marine block.

https://www.fordification.com/tech/castingnumbers-FEblock.htm


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