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FE Technical Forum / Blue Thunder Weber manifolds
« on: September 14, 2023, 12:53:53 PM »
I see that Blue Thunder has 3 different Weber manifolds for the FE listed in their catalog.  The standard cut F.E. IDA Weber manifold, angle cut F.E. IDA Weber manifold, and eight ( 8 ) venturi FE IDA fuel injection manifold. Due to lack of information in their catalog and my inability to obtain additional information about the f.i. version of the manifold, I'm making this post in hopes of getting some useful information to determine if it would be a good fit for my project. As always, any information is appreciated.

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Private Classifieds / C4AE 6090G Heads
« on: August 26, 2023, 11:16:34 PM »
These have been machined to fit 2.190 intake valves and 1.650 exhaust valves. New 11/32 bronze valve guides and Viton valve seals. Spring seats were cut (O.E. diameter) to fit the beehive springs which are using spring seats that fit the 5/8 (.625) guides. No work has been done to the heads to take advantage of the bigger valve sizes.  $500 for the heads without springs, retainers and valves. I plan on using the valves in a different set of heads but I will entertain the idea of selling as a complete package.  Buyer will pay shipping from 52342. I would be willing to make a 2 or 3 hour drive to meet someone 1/2 way.

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FE Technical Forum / New flywheel and pistons
« on: August 10, 2023, 10:22:58 PM »
As noted in the subject, I purchased a lightweight flywheel and new set of pistons and sent the rotating assembly (crank, flywheel and bolts, rods, rod bearings, rings, pistons, and damper) to be balanced again.  I can see that the flywheel was bolted to the crankshaft at some point and I think small amounts of filing might have been performed on the pistons.  The part I'm a bit confused by is the rod bearings still being shrink wrapped in their original packaging.  I'm re-using the rings from the previous set of pistons, so I have no way of knowing if their weight was factored in since they were just tied together as a set from each cylinder and were not packaged like the rod bearings. I don't see any markings on the pistons in relation to the connecting rods either (i.e., #1 piston to be used on #1 connecting rod).

It has literally been decades since I had this assembly balanced the first time so I don't remember all of the particulars, but I think I recall particular pistons being paired with particular rods. The other note of interest is that after the machine shop had the assembly for a month (with no contact of any sort), I called to inquire about the progress and had the rotating assembly back in my shop 2 days later. Either my timing is impeccable, or the job was being ignored until an inquiry was made and then fast tracked to completion. The last experience I had with a machine shop doing work on this engine (different one from the shop doing the current work) resulted in missing oil gallery plugs and the rear cam plug being installed backwards. In short, I have no faith in the local shops (all of the veterans have retired) but figured balancing the rotating assembly should be fairly straight forward.

So my question is, should I be concerned about the rotating assembly being balanced properly?  I am inclined to think the answer is yes.

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Private Classifieds / C3AE crossbolt main cap set - SOLD
« on: August 08, 2023, 07:25:41 PM »
$225 OBO, buyer pays shipping.  PM me if interested.

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FE Technical Forum / 66 Galaxie Rack and Pinion Conversion
« on: August 02, 2023, 10:01:16 PM »
So I thought it would be nice to "unclutter" the engine bay a bit by doing away with the steering box and reduce the number of bushings and joints in the steering linkage. The Unisteer option would be the easiest route from what I've seen after a bit of searching. Bolts up to the frame where the steering box and idler arm bracket attach. Power steering would be a nice addition (the car is currently manual steer which is super fun with the 390 sitting in the engine bay and not in motion), but pumps, lines, and power steering fluid are soooooo 2001.  EPAS attached to the steering column would address that issue and allow a manual rack to be used but why add clutter to one area while removing it from another?  Modern racks have EPAS built in of course, but most (if not all) rear steer EPAS racks have the electric motor mounted vertically since the vehicles are FWD by default and present clearance issues.  Vehicles like Mustangs or Navigators have racks with the motors mounted horizontally but they are a front steer configuration.

So my thoughts are:

1) Use a rack like the one in the picture (front steer) only modified so it will be a rear steer center take-off style. That means replacing the tie rods on the rack with something to attach to the existing spindle connector rods. Also, some sort of setup will be needed to turn the input shaft of the rack in the opposite direction the steering wheel is being turned so turning the steering wheel left or right will result in a turn in the same direction.  Yeesh!

2) Use the rack as designed by switching the spindles to opposite sides and converting to front steer.  Then the only hurdles would be mounting the rack, attaching the steering column to the rack's input shaft, wiring it up, and most likely an alignment.

I'm not sure what clearance issues the oil pan might present if going the front steer route, but elimination of the spindle connector rods means a rear sump oil pan would be an option.  I believe the rack could be mounted and not interfere with the strut that attaches to the frame and lower arm or the stabilizer bar. That leaves my biggest concern.  What effect will swapping the spindles have regarding caster? Adjustments to caster can be made of course, but a visual inspection with the spindles installed is a bit inconclusive when trying to determine if a swap would be feasible or not.  Thoughts?

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FE Technical Forum / Intake conversion to port fuel injection
« on: July 25, 2023, 10:56:40 PM »
Broke out Jay's "The Great FE Intake Comparo" to get an idea of a good candidate for an intake to have injector ports added.  After my review, I think for my application (390 stroker) the Blue Thunder 2x4 or the Edelbrock Performer RPM Dual-Quad Air-Gap 2x4 (such a long name) are good candidates.  I'm leaning towards the Blue Thunder.  I saw Trick Flow has a tunnel wedge intake, but that is too new to have been part of Jay's testing. I like the possibility of having injectors on the under side of the tunnel wedge's runners, but..
1. No idea if injectors there would be a good or bad idea
2. No idea how that intake would perform on a 390 stroker

Any thoughts or input would be appreciated.

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FE Technical Forum / Screw in welch plugs
« on: July 20, 2023, 08:25:16 PM »
According to my handy dandy framing square, the deck of the block and the face of the welch plug holes are perpendicular to each other.  I couldn't help myself after tapping the oil galleries and making this small discovery and thought "Might as well tap those too."  My plan is to use the deck to bolt on a jig for the tap and machine down a chunk of aluminum bar stock I had sitting around to center the tap in relation to the hole.  Since the body of the tap is 1.499" and the hole in the block is 1.750" it makes sense to me the bar stock can be machined to match the body of the tap on one end and the block hole on the other.  Should do a very good job of centering the jig before tightening things down and switching to the tap. After that, some cutting oil and a bit of elbow grease should produce a nicely prepped hole ready for the screw in plug.

As always, I like to take into account I might not be perfect :o in my approach to things. If I may have overlooked something or their are other points of interest I'm not aware of, feel free to let me know.

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FE Technical Forum / Cam thrust plate damage
« on: July 12, 2023, 07:45:29 PM »
While inspecting things after teardown of my engine, I noticed the thrust plate for the camshaft has been badly worn.

Quick history. The engine has approximately 3 to 4k on a "rebuild".  It was used for a engine rebuild project my son had while going through an automotive course a few years ago. Basic stuff, bearings, refresh heads, cleaning block, etc.  The machine shop near the college that did the machine work obviously was not terribly familiar with FEs.  The rear cam plug wasn't installed correctly and at least one of the rear oil gallery plugs wasn't installed.  Shout out to the instructors for running the oil pump with a drill and finding that missing plug before firing the engine.

The plug had been spun enough by the camshaft that it was leaking oil and I was able to remove it by finger during teardown. I am assuming the wear on the thrust plate is directly related to the incorrectly installed rear camshaft plug and not due to an oiling issue.  If I am assuming incorrectly, please let me know.

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FE Technical Forum / Converting to screw in oil gallery plugs
« on: July 11, 2023, 09:15:18 PM »
After reading various posts and watching an excellent video of Brent's, I brought out the reamer and tap and went to work.  I'm assuming this isn't an issue but thought it would be prudent to ask about the depth on the 4 rear plugs.  On all other plugs I ended up with 2 or so threads from being flush, with a slightly different result on the rear plugs as shown in the picture.  On the plus side, the plug between the distributor and lifter bores turned out perfect.  8)  Do I need to worry about the rear plugs sticking out farther than a couple threads? Any feedback is appreciated. 

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I've inquired about availability at a couple sites that don't show them as out of stock.  While waiting to hear back from them, I thought I would ask here as well in case someone knew of a place they are readily available.  F427C4 is the part # that Billet Speedworks has on their site for the set.

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FE Technical Forum / Wanting to install OE cross bolt caps
« on: June 28, 2023, 09:31:08 PM »
Fun fact.  If you search for "machine shop" on this forum, you get 14 pages of results to check out.  :o

I'm looking to have some OE cross bolt caps that I purchased a few years ago installed into a '64 block that was cast with the thicker main webs as well as the casting for cross bolt caps on #2, 3 and 4.  I'm in central Iowa and don't have much faith in the machine shops around here since the last one this block was at installed the cam plug backwards resulting in an oil leak.  I did find a post from Jay detailing his experience with girdle and cross bolt main cap machining which really makes me want to find someplace that can do the job and do it correctly. I also found this thread from 2019 inquiring about shops in the KC area but have no idea how current that info is since it is almost 4 years old now.

Anyone know of a knowledgeable/trustworthy machine shop around central Iowa that isn't 1/2 way across the country that could do something like this?

On a side note, I pulled out the micrometers and measured a cap currently used in the block and one of the cross bolt caps.  I measured from where the bolt seats on the cap to where the cap mates against the block.  I'm certain this isn't a definitive measurement, but I was after some sort of basic comparison.  The cap currently being used measured 2.521" and the cross bolt cap measured exactly 2.5". I did this since my paranoia kicked in and the thought of "Did I purchase a set of useless cross bolt caps?" ran through my head as I was working on the game plan to get them installed.  ::)

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FE Technical Forum / Jay's timing cover
« on: June 27, 2023, 08:34:43 PM »
I'll be reassembling my 390 before long and figured it would be a good idea to be proactive in relation to "new additions".  One of those being Jay's timing cover.  (really need a party emote..  anyway)  On Jay's site it has the following regarding the crank seal:

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The cover accepts the standard FE front seal, installed from the rear. It also accepts a 351C front seal, that installs from the front. This allows easier seal changes, and the possibility of using a double lip 351C front seal for dry sump or vacuum pump applications. When using the 351C front seal, some machining of the stock FE crank spacer is required.

I want to have the crankcase sealed off (sans breather of any type) and let the PCV valve pull a vacuum on it.  With my current setup this will mean 10 to 11 inches at idle.  I recall seeing talk from Jay at some point about using both the FE seal and the 351C seal together but the concern was about the 351C wearing out from lack of oil exposure.

What is currently the best option for crank seal(s) configuration(s) using Jay's cover knowing the crankcase will need to be able to hold a small amount of vacuum?

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FE Technical Forum / Autolite 4100 carburetor sticky secondaries
« on: May 31, 2023, 06:51:58 PM »
My apologies if I missed a previous topic that covers this particular issue, but my search of this forum didn't come up with anything useful.

In a nutshell, the secondaries on the 4100 I'm using on a 390 open easily and smoothly if I have the engine off and operate the primaries and secondaries by hand but if the engine is running the secondaries are difficult to open.  I have even tested with the engine running and the rod that attaches the secondaries to the arm and vacuum diaphragm disconnected.  I assume this indicates wear on either the shaft or the carb housing itself and when vacuum is being applied to the closed throttle plates with the engine running, the end result is sticky secondaries.  Any information or insight would be appreciated.

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