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FE Technical Forum / Re: Front engine mount
« on: January 14, 2025, 10:54:22 AM »
I believe FE's in 4wd pickups from the mid-'60s had the cast iron timing cover for front engine mounting.   Never had my hands on one though.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Couple of easy build questions
« on: December 12, 2024, 10:16:52 AM »

 

Anyone ever seen a cast aluminum block with Glyptal in the lifter valley?  My guess is that you wouldn't want to put it on an aluminum block because they squirm around so much with heat, but that also tells me that with the amount of aluminum blocks out there in extremely high performance/race applications, the paint just isn't necessary. 



Aluminum can be tricky.  I've done pull testing where a formula exceeded requirements on one panel and was complete fail on another panel from the same lot of panels.   I honestly have not been involved with aluminum enough to know why.  A fellow has to be real careful how the surface is prepared.  I just know it made we want to climb a tree and sit in it. 

By surface prep, I mean how the aluminum product is prepared by the manufacturer…not anything the typical person can do at home.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Couple of easy build questions
« on: December 12, 2024, 09:08:22 AM »
I have been at this for nearly 62 years, and I have not had any problems with paint softening on the engine from a gasket install.  However, when I do install a gasket on most engine surfaces, I simply clean them with acetone/lacquer thinner first before applying any adhesive or in some cases white lithium if I am going to be back into the engine as in a dyno session.  I do have a 428CJ that had the lifter valley painted with Sherwin Williams glyptol paint back in 1981 and the paint is still holding up just fine.  If you respect Jon Kaase's engine building abilities, then you need to check out his 1000hp build of a 598 BB Ford and look at the interior of his block.  If the block is prepped properly the correct paint will adhere in the interior of the block and not flake/peel/or soften with oil or water present.  Argue about something that needs fixing.  Joe-JDC

I don't think anyone is arguing.  We're just talking paint properties.  You mentioned
paint and gasket installs. If you have a paint that remains intact upon removing a water pump gasket after years of service, can you tell me what it is?  Not being ornery.  I've just never seen intact paint after removing a gasket.  That would be a paint worth using. 

Painting a lifter valley is actually easier on paint...motor oil is normally not very aggressive.  Though I would never paint a lifter valley.  Also, paint made 40 years ago is often better because they could use chemistries that are illegal today.

I have no idea what Kaase Racing is using for paint.  Their engines start at over $20K so they maybe using two component products or even baked on finishes that out perform typical engine enamels.  Single stage urethanes (like Ross mentioned) would cost around $150 ish or more per engine unless you are doing a lot of engines and can get bulk discount.  And you'd want a full face mask because isocyanates can be nasty to inhale or get in your eyes.  Average guy wouldn't likely use those.

Again, not arguing here.  I know paint and will help if I can.  And what else is there to talk about?  The FE world is shrinking.   :(  The videos Jay posted on sohc rockers was cool.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Couple of easy build questions
« on: December 11, 2024, 02:58:26 PM »
Guys are worried if paint on a gasket flange could degrade and get into a vintage engine cooling system where you could toss a decent sized cat through the smallest opening. 

Three threads from now somebody will recommend spray painting their head gaskets, somebody else will spray can their own piston coatings with a kit from Amazon, and next week another guy will be buttering his intake valley with glyptol.

What a world.... ;D

For clarity, I don't recall anyone feeling worried about what could happen if a few little paint skins got into the cooling system.  In fact I said it wouldn't likely hurt anything.  Since the OP asked, I thought it'd be nice to know and let them decide if it would bother them. 

Also for clarity, I appreciate the different points of view especially from folks who've done this for a while.  That's a lot better way for me to learn then when I mess something up and learn the hard way.

As an aside, I helped someone root and flush a double handful of powdery debris from their new (aftermarket) block coolant jacket.  It didn't seem to hurt cooling but the guy didn't want to just leave it in there.  My guess it was residue from previous engine(s) on the dyno.  So I got to help remedy someone else's lackadaisical coolant hygiene. 


For not caring if debris gets into the coolant I'm guessing Barry is one who goes pee with the seat still down...

And to repeat what I said earlier, I still think that looks like a gnarly paint job.  It's no where near as neat as Brent's example. I would scrape that off before installing the pump. 

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Couple of easy build questions
« on: December 10, 2024, 01:24:09 PM »
I think this is a silly and unanswerable argument.

The guys who paint haven't seen a failure...and the guys who don't paint haven't seen one.

Of course, you can say "in theory" the paint can fail...but you can also say "in theory" the paint can be a binder or adhesive.  Nobody is talking real testing or differences in gasket material or paint or prep, it's all inference or circumstantial discussion.

I am also not buying the OEMs were that careful, they painted over all kinds of stuff and missed lots of others and were generally as inconsistent as heck.  As an example, would you recommend painting a soft rubber hose with a petroleum-based paint and reducer?  Probably not, but Ford did, they doused a CJ bypass like a fat kid's fries with ketchup

I prep the surface and I paint, without fear, both with urethane single stage on concours engines and spray cans on others.  I have yet to have a single water pump leak on mine or a customer's engine, EVER, in 40 years of building all kinds of engines, but admittedly my own 489 FE has only been together, with water in it, for 18 (soon 19) years.

Fwiw, I'm in the "it's not likely to leak" camp.  To be sure, I hope my comments are taken as constructive discussion and not to advance the unanswerable argument.

I think it's weird how folks focused on whether or not it will leak.  The OP didn't ask if it will leak.  I thought someone would comment on use of rtv silicone.  I don't believe that's necessary for water pumps.  I've used lithium grease to dress the gaskets and even tried silicone dielectric grease....makes removal later a lot easier.  I think I got that idea from Brent.  Then I'll use thread sealant on the bolts.   

Also fwiw, like I said earlier, any paint trapped by the gasket will likely stay in place until the pump is removed down the road.  I wouldn't over spray the area because any paint not trapped by the gasket (especially rattle can paint) will likely lift and end up in the coolant as non-dissolving skins...maybe in the t-stat or radiator but most likely stuck in the pump where no one will know.  And no, that's not theory.  So that's kinda like dropping a cookie, picking it up and eating it...not likely to hurt you but do you want to eat it?

Since you mentioned hoses, a guy would have to go out of their way to cause failure with paint.  There are a few common automotive chemicals that should never be applied to certain types of hoses.  I'll leave that discussion for another time.  :)

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FE Technical Forum / Re: plug wires
« on: December 09, 2024, 08:56:39 AM »
Before spending anymore money, look at the plugs...even though they're relatively new.  Also, clean the contacts inside the cap if it hasn't been done in a year or more.  At the least, pull it off and look inside.

Also, even though your wires are new, they may have been damaged if you pulled them off the plugs by hand.  Some wires can tolerate being pulled off the plug by grabbing the boot.  Some wires break apart inside if you don't use plug wire pullers.

Electricity can be like water.  If it can't go where it's supposed to go, it goes someplace else.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Couple of easy build questions
« on: December 04, 2024, 01:41:02 PM »
      Hopefully, this isn't another case of just recommending that which one "got away with" vs. that of which one should consider in the process of attempting to do things "reasonably proper"!   ???

      Scott.

Of all the paint chemistries I've seen and worked with that might be sprayed on a block, I don't think a smooth film of paint under a gasket would result in a leak.  However, some paints will soften in water and/or antifreeze.  For instance, solvent based alkyds (typical rattle can chemistry) will blister and soften with prolonged water exposure.  A paint film on the "lips" of the coolant passages might soften, release, and then become a floating skin to get stuck in something like a t-stat.  Probably wouldn't become a problem but it's just kinda sloppy to not slap a piece of painter's tape over the holes before painting.  Then you'd never have to worry if you had floating paint skins. 

So I wouldn't be thrilled to see painted sealing surfaces on my engine.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Couple of easy build questions
« on: December 02, 2024, 01:50:37 PM »
If you had a smooth and even paint job, I think it'd be okay to seal over.  Kinda hard to tell if the passenger side water pump mating surface is smooth and even paint, rough metal, or a rag touched the partially cured paint messing it up.  I wouldn't try to seal over messed up paint. 

Did the damper get painted?  Weird to paint a new damper.  If it's new paint on an old damper, I think I'd want a new damper on a fresh engine.   

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Non-FE Discussion Forum / Re: Wifes nephew
« on: May 19, 2024, 05:40:00 AM »
The world would be better if every kid had an Uncle Heo :)

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FE Technical Forum / Re: 1970 f250 390 build
« on: May 10, 2024, 01:01:56 PM »
Fwiw, I believe the path to happiness is a well built stroked short block...especially in a pickup that won't be drag raced.  Performance minded heads are just icing for the cake.

I don't think anyone has mentioned it but unless the plan is to pull the dizzy somewhat regularly, I'd throw away the bronze gear.  They're more for niche applications.

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Thanks Brent and everyone else that hangs their ass out their just so we can bitch.

Ha !  Now that is about the size of it  :)

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knowledge that is not shared is eventually lost knowledge.

I greatly appreciate the advice from all the folks who offer it up here.  I surely hope the few Statler and Waldorf types don’t spoil that.

As for sharing of information, I’m pretty sure none of the builders here are patenting their engines.  All you have to do to gain your knowledge is buy an engine, or engine component configured to your needs/wants and copy it. 

Coca Cola is not patented either.  It’s a trade secret.  So buy a can and copy it.  It’s that easy. 

Hopefully this will help discourage the wet blanket treatment so we can keep on enjoying all the useful info we’ve been giving and getting.

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dont get me wrong,i love anything FORD,the only downside i see is,if i were a young man and i wanted to build an engine,a post like that 777 hp would make a youngster say, to hell with the fe,im building a Cleveland. my dad had a junkyard when i was younger,i would have went the other way with influence like that,how many 777 hp 400 inch FEs do you see out there? sorry,i still liked seeing this post.

I had the same initial thought but then realized this clevor has 13.5 compression, a vacuum pump, and spins to 7grand... so got to keep it all in context.

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Minimal specs will be given - as this is a blatant form of FREE ADVERTISING on this FE forum.

No wonder there are less and less users on this once busy forum.

Very sad to see.
All the upside down whackiness in the world and this is what bothers you?  Being a pill is no way to go through life.  You (everyone) needs to find what makes you happy and focus on that.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: max spring pressure with aluminum heads
« on: April 06, 2024, 08:32:22 PM »
For soft metals like aluminum, might consider key locking inserts.  Time serts sometimes back out with the bolt.

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