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FE Technical Forum / Re: Front engine mount
« on: January 14, 2025, 10:54:22 AM »
I believe FE's in 4wd pickups from the mid-'60s had the cast iron timing cover for front engine mounting. Never had my hands on one though.
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Anyone ever seen a cast aluminum block with Glyptal in the lifter valley? My guess is that you wouldn't want to put it on an aluminum block because they squirm around so much with heat, but that also tells me that with the amount of aluminum blocks out there in extremely high performance/race applications, the paint just isn't necessary.
I have been at this for nearly 62 years, and I have not had any problems with paint softening on the engine from a gasket install. However, when I do install a gasket on most engine surfaces, I simply clean them with acetone/lacquer thinner first before applying any adhesive or in some cases white lithium if I am going to be back into the engine as in a dyno session. I do have a 428CJ that had the lifter valley painted with Sherwin Williams glyptol paint back in 1981 and the paint is still holding up just fine. If you respect Jon Kaase's engine building abilities, then you need to check out his 1000hp build of a 598 BB Ford and look at the interior of his block. If the block is prepped properly the correct paint will adhere in the interior of the block and not flake/peel/or soften with oil or water present. Argue about something that needs fixing. Joe-JDC
The videos Jay posted on sohc rockers was cool.
Guys are worried if paint on a gasket flange could degrade and get into a vintage engine cooling system where you could toss a decent sized cat through the smallest opening.
Three threads from now somebody will recommend spray painting their head gaskets, somebody else will spray can their own piston coatings with a kit from Amazon, and next week another guy will be buttering his intake valley with glyptol.
What a world....
I think this is a silly and unanswerable argument.
The guys who paint haven't seen a failure...and the guys who don't paint haven't seen one.
Of course, you can say "in theory" the paint can fail...but you can also say "in theory" the paint can be a binder or adhesive. Nobody is talking real testing or differences in gasket material or paint or prep, it's all inference or circumstantial discussion.
I am also not buying the OEMs were that careful, they painted over all kinds of stuff and missed lots of others and were generally as inconsistent as heck. As an example, would you recommend painting a soft rubber hose with a petroleum-based paint and reducer? Probably not, but Ford did, they doused a CJ bypass like a fat kid's fries with ketchup
I prep the surface and I paint, without fear, both with urethane single stage on concours engines and spray cans on others. I have yet to have a single water pump leak on mine or a customer's engine, EVER, in 40 years of building all kinds of engines, but admittedly my own 489 FE has only been together, with water in it, for 18 (soon 19) years.
Hopefully, this isn't another case of just recommending that which one "got away with" vs. that of which one should consider in the process of attempting to do things "reasonably proper"!
Scott.
Thanks Brent and everyone else that hangs their ass out their just so we can bitch.
knowledge that is not shared is eventually lost knowledge.
dont get me wrong,i love anything FORD,the only downside i see is,if i were a young man and i wanted to build an engine,a post like that 777 hp would make a youngster say, to hell with the fe,im building a Cleveland. my dad had a junkyard when i was younger,i would have went the other way with influence like that,how many 777 hp 400 inch FEs do you see out there? sorry,i still liked seeing this post.
Minimal specs will be given - as this is a blatant form of FREE ADVERTISING on this FE forum.All the upside down whackiness in the world and this is what bothers you? Being a pill is no way to go through life. You (everyone) needs to find what makes you happy and focus on that.
No wonder there are less and less users on this once busy forum.
Very sad to see.