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« on: June 07, 2024, 10:45:32 AM »
There is no way that I can say I have had the race solid roller experience you have, not that I have had none, but nowhere near as you and others.
Needless to say there has to be a ton of oil at the cam surface or every flat tappet would fail, but I do not think that equates to the cushioning of a pressure lubed pin, although we certainly could say the cushioning would happen on the OD of the roller too so I can't really say. My disagreement, if you call it that, small rollers in a reciprocating shock environment, without pressure oiling (or maybe even with) are never the right piece. I do think the rollers are asking for trouble in the long term for the exact reason you stated, packaging in a small lifter bore, it forces the pressure on a couple needles, each of which has less oil film due to its small size. I have no proof, but I think a bushed lifter would be better based on Kentucky-windage engineering, regardless of price.
That being said, I do have way too much time pulling 3/4 and 1 inch torque wrenches on big diesels. The diesel argument needs to be taken with a grain of salt. Many Cummins and Detroit use and have used hydraulic lash adjusters, many Cat diesels use hydraulic rollers now, and even my beloved baby Cummins solid flat 24V pickup, changed to hydraulic rollers starting in 2019 (mine is a 2013 and I tight lash the intake greatly, but leave the exhaust to factory specs for more seat time for cooling on boost/high EGT).
On top of that, solid rollers in big trucks DO fail, in fact, most are replaceable in big diesels. In a big diesel they are called cam followers, and they have room for a big wheel, bushing and pin, and those followers (not the entire lifter) can and are easily replaced, often only making noise or lash when they fail. You are spot on that the valve action and matters greatly, a silly slow ramp, low lift and often as little as a 2000-2500 operating window really make it a completely different environment. Some Cummins run as tight as .008 cold intake, and even though they are .020+ exhaust, the exhaust valves run hot with a turbo and I assume grow a ton and the seat opens somewhat when really pulling on boost. Lube options range on manufacturer, but I have seen oiled bushings or splash oiled bushing on most big diesel. I have never taken a follower wheel apart to see if they were ever roller bearing though, but also never found any with a magnet or in a pan
In the end though, we agree lash can hurt, valve action matters, and uncontrolled valve train hurts even more. I am also a hyd roller fan, relatively aggressive ramp capable, after some learning over the years readily will RPM. My last 410C happily hit 7100 over and over again with nothing that fancy, beehives with steel retainers and standard travel Morels at .045-ish preload. Not solid roller levels, but more than we did in the past.
In the end, we don't disagree, and I hope I am not stepping on your toes. I'd be hard pressed to change a cam if it wasn't damaged in the original discussion (although on EDIT, I would be hard pressed to change only 1-2 lfters without thorough inspection) . I just think a solid roller is a benefit when it's ability to follow a ramp others cannot is needed, before that not so much.