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FE Technical Forum / Re: BBM 427 block build info?
« on: June 13, 2024, 12:55:15 PM »
       There is an advantage when utilizing a used (seasoned  ::)) O.E.M. block, is that being that not only was it actually finished machined, by someone whom actually knew what they were doing and understood who would be holding the bag if unsuccessful, but was done so and then actually put into service (tested); with the brand-new, un-finished block (virgin  ::)), one 'must' go over.......................EVERYTHING!  Do not assume that as handed to you any effort made is ready for use in any fashion.   ;)

       Scott.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Puzzle Time
« on: June 12, 2024, 11:47:41 AM »
     In instances such as this always start with the basics and begin to systematically rule possibilities either in or out, and start with the big stuff first!   ;)

     Start with a compression & leak-down test............ yes both!   :)

     Scott.

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     A "300 Six" is an awfully big (external dimension) engine to try and fit in to a '66 Bronco!    ;)

     But, as I have often said:  "If you drop it from high enough, it'll fit!"   ::)

     Scott.

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My personal experience with crate engines/rebuilds comes from Jasper Engines....and that was a nightmare to be sure.....

     Yeah, our local Jasper Distributor approached us many a year ago about taking on their warranty replacement repairs, but mostly just complete R & R's, as they wanted to reserve the right in the decision making department of whether it was a warranty or not, and I don't think they ever flinched unless the engine was obviously a total loss, but this relationship ended quickly as we couldn't get paid, not within six months to a year or more afterwards, this even though each job was pre-authorized and they sent the customer and the replacement engine or transmission to us for installation, supposedly to be a "no-muss-no-fuss" arrangement!    :o

Scott.

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      FrozenMerc,

      A big +!!   8)

      Scott.

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I bought a new GM sbc ............. 6 or 7 years ago that was terrific.

     Yeah, well a few years ago we bought one of the GM Performance ZZ4 crate motors (new from GM) and it blew-up within a quarter mile from our shop on it's first break-in run; it hadn't gotten past 3000 R.P.M. yet!  Upon inspection, it seems GM had selected the lowest bid product of some pistons made in India (as cast-in to the underside) that apparently weren't worth the aluminum they were made of (think: "Tonka" toys), and they were all laying in the oil pan!   :o

     Getting even GM to warranty that one was a nightmare, even though with investigation on our part, they knew there was a problem!  But in the end, they came around; but instead of ordering the same thing again, anticipating the same outcome, we convinced the customer that didn't he really want a "Big-Block"!   ::)

     But, with the exception of this experience I generally rate the GM Performance crate engine program, along with most of the product from the other actual O.E.M.'s (Ford & Chrysler) as relatively good.   :)

     Scott.

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     So-called "Crate Motors",  based on my observations, experience and exposure to customer outcomes, all I can say is .............................GOOD F#%@ING LUCK!   :o

     And, I wouldn't make one's purchasing decision based on "the warranty" either, as that often will evaporate the moment you have a problem!   ;)

     Scott.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: BBM CNC Program?????
« on: May 31, 2024, 10:25:10 AM »
        I'm assuming that the O.P. is just not impressed with the sum of material removed in the "CNC Porting" presenting the sums of as cast surfaces remaining? 

        The take from this, as from the manufacture's point of view, I am of the impression that they don't seem to be demonstrating very much confidence in the accuracy of the casting work and are afraid that anything more aggressive in the way of porting work might lead to an unacceptable sum of trashed heads?  But even if one isn't impressed with the results of this CNC work, if one were to want to go farther in the porting endeavor there is significant value in the location references that the scrubbing does provide, just not sure of the monetary value?    :-\

        Of course, it could be that they consider the port to be as nearly 'perfect' as cast, and the "CNC Porting" is being addressed as just an extra charge window dressing option for those whom demand it?    :o


        Scott.

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      For those whom might be interested (and in an attempt to get past the all-knowing participant), there were also examples of these reinforced blocks made and utilized as 352's at the 4.00" bore (390 & 410's @ 4.05" bore) which apparently aren't to common.   :-\

     Back several decades ago, Jim Dove came by our shop and in his wandering about came to a stack of FE blocks with the additional webbing and cross-bolt bosses which we had marked as being 352's, at which point he said he had never seen such a thing; and yet here was a stack of 'em?  He said "you've mismarked these" they're probably not the 4.00" bore of a 352, more than likely a 390 block with a 4.05" bore"; I said no, handed him the calipers, he measured them, and then he said: "well I be ......................,  I want to buy them, all of them!"   :o

     At this time Jim was heavy into his roundy-round effort, and had been utilizing the reinforced example 4.05" bore blocks, converting them to the cross-bolt caps, but having to sleeve them down to the 4.00" bore (cubic inch rule); he said obviously with these blocks (our 352's) he wouldn't need to incur the cost and labor associated in putting eight sleeves in each block.    8)

     Scott.

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You are just not getting it lol-........................

If you do a little research, ..............................


      Oh I "get it", and I'm sorry but perhaps the issue might actually be that you haven't gotten out enough, as I have processed probably half a dozen of these blocks through our shop belonging to customers over the decades (currently have a customers' "C5" example, different I know, here for among other things "cross-bolt" cap installation) and probably still have several in our storage building, these all having been purchased by us as complete engines, all having had 410 cranks in them (another reason why we would buy them back in the day ;)); and we didn't buy any engines/blocks that had been over-bored aka. rebuilt, so I highly doubt the cranks and pistons had been swapped in all of them,..................just not likely.   ::) 

      But as I stated previously, I shall comment no further and yield to your greater wisdom.   ;D

      Scott.
     

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Nice try but no...................

      If it's just that I'm failing to communicate properly I apologize.   :-[   But if it's because your failing to understand, and/or perhaps your just not familiar with the subject which I have attempted to bring to light (perhaps not so clearly initially, yep, my bad) and with a closed minded perspective you have chosen to engage another, well then, I surrender, you win!   ::)

      But realize that just because the casting number might be "C4" (and it was my mistake to utilize the simplistic reference of "'64" vs. "C4"), this doesn't necessarily mean that is actually the year in which it was cast.   ;)

      Some battles just aren't worth the effort!   ::)

      Scott.

       

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That would be very rare as the 410 Merc FE was 66-67 only

      Yes, my mistake for not being clear; what I perhaps should have said was:  that I've seen and had several of the 410's that utilize a block that has the casting box on the side and up high (not as typical for FE's) that says "C4AE".  And then of course there's the "C5AE' blocks that also seem to commonly have the additional webbing and bosses, but I haven't witnessed those as being so commonly utilized as for the Mercury 410's.   :)

     Scott.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: More valvetrain issues
« on: May 27, 2024, 11:10:07 AM »
An exhaust push rod had broken the adjusting cup. When I removed the rocker assembly with the broken rocker, I found the ARP stud next to it was slightly bent. By all appearance the adjuster had not backed off and the bent stud next to it still appeared to be holding torque.

     When you experience multiple different but related components surrendering at the same instant such as this, I'd be concerned for possible interference causing things to effectively go solid.   At minimum, I'd perform a leak-down test on that cylinder before reassembly and double check the clearances throughout the valvetrain (including the removal of that spring and rechecking the installed height); before having another go at it.   ;)   

     Scott.

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     The additional webbing and the cross-bolt bosses were also seemingly commonly found in the '64 Mercury 410 blocks.    :)

     Scott.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Valve Spring Question
« on: May 08, 2024, 10:37:46 AM »
      From here, I can't really comment of the the other products, but if you run it hard, perhaps you might want to consider different valve locks?    ;)

      Scott.

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