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That is kinda frisky for a street oriented cam. 
More street racer than street driver.
Used similar cams often for that purpose. 
I would agree with Brent on the spring deal. 
I used a Manley Nextec oval track spring on stuff like that when I was running traditional four stud rocker mounting - had around 220-230 seat and still only around 600 open.
Couple with a TI or tool steel retainer, set up installed as tight to .050 from bind as you could comfortably get -  and they would do really well.
And I would look at that .012 as a cold lash target - should get you right around .020-.021 hot.
Sometimes hard to define "hot" and keep it consistent through the lash process.  But room temperature cold is easy.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Timing Chain and Balancer Advice
« on: June 09, 2024, 05:47:10 PM »
Can't promise, but up to at least recently the Ford sets were made by Cloyes

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FWIW - and since we are sharing opinions - I have never bought into the lack of oiling as a reason for roller lifter failure - or the EDM hole in solid flat tappets for that point either.

If you ever run an engine at anything beyond idle with an opening in the intake (like the one in the rear of many FE intakes) you'll quickly discover that there is a literal maelstrom of oil flying off on the crankshaft.  I've had oil hit the ceiling of my dyno room.  Watch a crank spinning on a balancer at 750 RPM and it' apparent that this stuff is moving really, really fast.  The open bottom cam tunnel in an FE means that a huge percentage of oil being flung off that rotating assembly is being directed right at the cam/lifter interface.  OEM Ford stuff lasted forever with no direct oiling at all.  The EDM hole in lifters was a strategy employed by NASCAR teams when they were rules mandated to flat tappets, and were using enclosed cam tunnels and vacuum to limit oil movement throughout the engine.  Along with welded stellite faced cams and DLC coated steel lifters.  This stuff simply does not apply to a normal street oriented package.  Oil volume is not the problem.  Sure feels good though... 'cuz we can see it and buy stuff that looks like an intuitive "fix"...

Solid roller lifters live forever in many heavy duty diesel applications, which run at low RPM and light valve spring pressures.I believe the reason they work so well there is more related to valvetrain control than anything else.  Consider the most roller bearing applications - that also last a very long time - run at zero clearance or even in preloaded conditions.  Examples include rear end parts, wheel bearings, internal transmission bearings and rocker fulcrums.  Each roller concentrates load on a line contact and thus transmits every "hit" onto a very small area of the race.  Hit a pothole and the wheel bearing will brinnell the race and the assembly will fail prematurely.  But under normal conditions that wheel bearing will carry 1/4 the weight of a 10,000 pound (or more) truck for decades.  Rollers are not the problem.  Sends us back to the impact/lash and valvetrain control direction. Hydraulic rollers last forever because there in no lash - no impact damage - until the valvetrain loses it's proverbial shit at high RPM.

Unfortunately for us normal folks, valvetrain control is not a simple thing to quantify - other than looking at worn and broken parts and knowing that something ain't right.  Things can be perfectly fine at 7000 RPM and be completely lost at 3000 RPM.  Every darn part in the valvetrain is a spring - the pushrods, rockers, even the cam itself.  If there frequencies all happen to line up the result can cause things to go crazy even at low RPM.  By making these parts stiffer we can get most of the system "out of the way" and focus on controlling things with the spring itself.  Thats the reason for big diameter cam cores, thicker and stiffer pushrods, and steel rockers.  OEM and professional race teams can use computers, labs, and Spintron testing to sort this out, and some serious race engines run with amazingly low spring pressures.  We don't have the luxury.

That is a long way of saying that I really like hydraulic rollers. 
I have run custom made ones with only .015" travel and treated them as solids with the lash "in the oil" at 7000 RPM+.
Set them almost bottomed out cold and let them grow when hot but remain in the travel range - no lash.
Probably not real easy for a guy in his garage on a Friday night...
Get them a teensy bit too tight and the damn engine won't start (experience).
And bushings remove all the roller issues if you can afford to make that step.

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I have had solid rollers last for many years on the street.

My opinion FWIW is that the "killer" of roller lifters in inadequate valvetrain control and excessive lash.

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Small flashlight(s) with flexible stalks are a necessity.

You can usually bring the roller pair up using some welding wire with a "hook" bent into the end to snag the tie bar.

Once out of the bore, use a couple magnets to walk the pair forward to the distributor hole.

If it crushed out the needles, the debris you're seeing could be the sides of the lifter body alongside the axle.

If that's the case, the lifter will be nearly impossible to remove as the sides spread - and the cam will be toast.

Let's hope that is not the case....

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FE Technical Forum / Re: More valvetrain issues
« on: May 27, 2024, 10:06:50 PM »
I tend to agree with others.
Probably run spring at no more than +/-625 open (I think Manley has an oval track one that would work)
Rocker studs at 45 lbs torque have worked for us on similar builds for an extended period of time.

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Heck - you might get an extra 10HP from cylinder wall rigidity

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Another internet FE build
« on: May 17, 2024, 06:56:14 AM »
Not sure how he gets nearly 11.5:1 compression calculation.

Using Diamond's calculator (decent third party data) I get 10.86:1 with .010 deck clearance, a Fel-Pro 1020 gasket and assuming a .010 cut below nominal spec on the deck.
Above also assumes a .250 crevice volume, and the Mahle specified 7cc dome volume.

If - a big if - the block had actually been honed with a torque plate, you would need to have a torque plate installed to properly measure bore diameters.

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Vendor Classifieds / Kind of a PSA....
« on: May 13, 2024, 08:25:49 AM »
We are going to drop the (248) 366-3309 "land line" number to the shop.  With fewer folks in the shop and only one guy to answer the phone it no longer makes sense to have two numbers.  The (248) 931-0358 number is a cell and will remain as the best way to reach me by call or text.

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I suppose I could add a couple thought to this.

I don't think I have ever posted dyno information on this part of the site.  A few customers have added data with my builds or parts I supplied.  I had other venues for dyno builds at the time, did not think it was appropriate.  Since most of the other venues either no longer exist, are essentially inactive, or have devolved into something of limited or no value - I should probably put some stuff out here. 

I view any information provided here as a "gift" - knowledge and hard earned experience shared for free.  Questions, suggestions, and clarifications are always OK, but openly aggresive criticism of the builder, parts and application seem very inappropriate considering the casual reader has nothing invested in the effort.  In this case Lykins gave you a free hamburger, fries, and a Coke - and a couple guys are bitching that they did not get free ice cream too.

I like seeing a few non-FE examples from time to time.  They provide some comparative context, and help with goal setting.  The Cleveland architecture was the unquestionable high water point in vintage engine cylinder head development for Ford, and were arguably better than many of the subsequent efforts.  To add some FE flavor to this, I had a 433 inch EMC effort that reached 710+ HP (on pump fuel) at 7500 RPM.  It was a dramatically high effort and cost package.  The fact that this Cleveland derivative made so much power at a far lower cost and effort level speaks volumes about the combination.  At 1.45 TQ/cube the "C" headed deal is a genuine bad ass.  Goal setting...

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Aftermarket head availability?
« on: May 03, 2024, 05:54:50 AM »
Edelbrock is available - modest upgrade over a factory CJ or MR head, significant upgrade over other OEM iron heads.
I am out of castings
TFS is out of castings
BBM said they had some coming - might already be available.
Shelby might have something - honestly don't know - they are generally pretty proud of their stuff
Pond may have availablility
Chinese stuff is available - Speedmaster, Promaxx, Jegs, ebay - all of it is Steven's heads castings. 

Given the cheaper is better psychology of the market, five years from now the Chinese stuff is all that will be left.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Cam sizing for 390 question
« on: April 29, 2024, 06:58:14 AM »
Compression at 10:1 on that small of a cam is a high cylinder pressure deal.  Definitely a low end grunt package that might actually be on the fringe as far as fuel tolerance.  Somebody wanted to make diesel like power

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we the people got screwed when the "MAP" policies went into effect.  Courts ruled it was not price fixing, but tomato, tomoto?

I would like to find suppliers other than Summitt and Jegs.

MAP pricing is driven by the manufacturers - not by retailers such as Summit or Jegs.
When I was at F-M and previously at Holley it was a constant battle to get the retail giants to alter their pricing on high volume parts.
Their respective business model was to always be cheaper than everyone else (including each other).
They would sell the higher volume parts below cost if necessary, and neither one would "blink" in a price battle.
All of their profit margin came from deal structure below the invoice - such as volume rebates from the various manufacturers.

This drove all of the little guys in the market out of business, and prevented innovation since cost was the only factor in selling to them.
We as manufacturers would sometimes change a part number just to work around the road blocks this put up.

MAP pricing - as distasteful as it is - fixed this problem.

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We - collectively as a consumer group - have done this to ourselves.

That company - under their current Speedmaster name and the previous Pro-Comp Electronics name - have been stealing designs and logos from recognized manufacturers for decades now.  They have visually cloned items from MSD, Holley, Autometer, and Edelbrock.  There have been a couple lawsuits, but nothing really deters them.  The parts have quality ranging from acceptable to dismal to outright dangerous.  They often supply private label product to large retailers.  The parts proliferate on eBay and Facebook.  The parts are visually identical to the "good stuff", sometimes to the point of including the brand name or logo of the original manufacturer.  They make claims about metallugy, performance and design that are entirely unproven and often unprovable by folks in the consumer marketplace. 

This is not the same as a company designing a product and sourcing it offshore - such as Scat does.  While not as desirable to us as making it here would be, they are not cloning somebody else's work, and they are not deceptive as to origin, quality or source country.

The only common thread is that the parts are cheaper - much cheaper.  Many customers purchase them, rationalizing the decision by saying that this is "just as good" as the real products at a lower cost.  When a large percentage of the high volume product sales go away, the original manufacturer has limited choices - they can raise prices on the rest of the line, purchase their own parts from a low cost country, or throw in the proverbial towel.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: max spring pressure with aluminum heads
« on: April 06, 2024, 09:46:02 PM »
I've had decent luck with the Heli-coils.  I've had time-serts break off at the "hat" - so I do not use them.

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