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JimNolan

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Fired my new engine today
« on: January 26, 2013, 06:52:05 PM »
Guys,
   Pre-oiled the engine using the shaft and drill yesterday and fired the engine today. I cranked it 30 seconds without the coil wire on to build up oil pressure and let the carb float bowls fill and then reconnected the coil wire. Started as soon as I worked the throttle. Set the timing on 14 degrees and it sat there with 75lb oil pressure and 14" manifold pressure. Let it warm up to 180 degrees and had 45lb oil pressure at @600 rpm. When reving it doesn't blow black smoke so the #70 primary jets might be OK. Manifold pressure is steady and when decelerating from higher rpm it will indicate almost 25" manifold pressure. I haven't adjusted carb screws yet ( runs so smooth I hate to touch them ). Has a lumpy idle around 500-600 rpm but smooths out perfect @ 800 rpm. The electric choke is even set correctly. One (1) valve cover leaks and I'm using rubber gaskets. I set the rocker adjusters to 3/4 turn after slop was taken out and it seems I did a good job setting them. Once I check the rockers to make sure everything is getting oil I'll glue the new gaskets down to the engine AND the valve cover. It's too pretty to put up with oil leakage.
 If anyone has advice from this point, I'm all ears. I feel like I've had some damn good advice from you guys so far. Jim
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Re: Fired my new engine today
« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2013, 06:57:54 PM »
Nice for you Jim



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Re: Fired my new engine today
« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2013, 10:57:49 PM »
Jim ,sounds like a job well done.

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Re: Fired my new engine today
« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2013, 11:44:05 PM »
Way to go Jim! looks like you got it nailed right off... what carb are you running?

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Re: Fired my new engine today
« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2013, 11:53:26 PM »
Way to go Jim! looks like you got it nailed right off... what carb are you running?
I'm running the 750 Holley 4160 w/electric choke and vacuum secondary. It's the aluminum carb.

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Re: Fired my new engine today
« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2013, 08:59:29 AM »
A lot of just plain mechanical ability has a lot to do with it some got it, some don't. Congrats on the results!!!!!

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Re: Fired my new engine today
« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2013, 09:04:12 AM »
Good job Jim, get it out there and give it a good break in as soon as you can!

Lots of throttle movement throws oil all over the place, combined with a goo stretch if normal operating temperatures makes everything even better

Try to avoid starting it up to impress Mrs Nolan and your beer buddies until then :)
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Re: Fired my new engine today
« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2013, 08:06:24 AM »
Update on New engine:
Had a chance to adjust Carb idle yesterday. I let it warm up to 180 degrees. The oil pressure seems a little high (80lbs when cold, 50lbs when hot). Idle rpm is giving me fits. A decent idle will have to be @800rpm. Anything less is misery to watch. Manifold vacuum is 15-16" at idle, 20"at 2000 rpm, deceleration is 25". I took a video showing the temps, rpm, pressures and vacuum but I don't see a way of posting it. I'm going to go ahead and take my other engine out now. I'll let the 410 rest for a while.
BTW:  I sealed the valve covers down and it doesn't leak a drop now. I just sealed the bottom side of the valve cover though. I just hope I don't need to go back in there for some reason. Jim            Thanks again guys.

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Re: Fired my new engine today
« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2013, 08:34:06 AM »
I would think with some cam 800 is about right. You might try turning the idle screws out till it Smooths out then stumbles a little then back in a half turn. Make sure you alternate screws keeping them the same, if you have secondary idle jets you will need to keep those the same also. Another factor could be a vacuum leak, go to a medical supply and pick up a cheap stethoscope and change the hose on it to be about 3 foot of washer line and listen around, isolating the sound will help pin down any issues.

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Re: Fired my new engine today
« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2013, 01:13:23 PM »
^^^ Good info! Please keep updating as the data Jim! It is going to be useful when I get the time to sort out my issues this upcoming summer. Started a new job and just have not had the time to properly dial my new build in yet. Runs pretty good but I can tell I'm leaving performance on the table not being dialed in... my laundry list. 

Idle RPM. Mine likes to run at about 1000~1100rpm in neutral with about 9 degrees initial mechanical advance, drops to about 800rpm in gear. Hunts a lot until really warmed up. 

Mechanical and vacuum advance. I tried putting some Mr. Gasket springs in my stock dist to get the mechanical advance to 34~36 degrees "all in" by 2500 rpm to help my off the line acceleration. No noticeable difference and I'm still getting "pinging" at lower rpm even with the vacuum advance attached and premium fuel. I pulled the Petronix II module and went back to points which cleaned up the idle quite a bit. I'd like to get my initial mechanical advance in the 12~15 range and total to about 34~36.. it's apparently not going to happen with this stock distributor. keeping my eye on ebay for a used Mallory unit.

Carburation.  Thinking the Holley 600cfm/vacuum secondary/ele choke is smallish for my build and adding to other issues. Probably fine for break in, but it's a cold blooded b*tch. I gotta let it run for some time before the choke opens fully. Off the line performance is lacking. It moves.. but getting the lone stock 14 inch wheel to smoke should not be as hard as it is when I mash the pedal. Might consider a 2500ish stall later(running stock now) if a 700cfm+ mechanical secondary and above ignition issues don't get me some green light tire smoking satisfaction.  ;D

For some reason I get "spikes" in the tach every now and then.. possible grounding issue. 
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Re: Fired my new engine today
« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2013, 02:52:18 PM »
Sounds like the distributor is causing havoc, the stock vacuum advanced units do not like cam changes very much. The tach is also a giveaway of timing issues. My advice, get a MSD 6a and billet distributor. You'll love the increased throttle response.

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Re: Fired my new engine today
« Reply #11 on: February 02, 2013, 04:15:17 PM »
Amdscooter,
    Look up duraspark recurving instructions on the internet. You'll find a distributor bible I have learned to live by. I weld up my mechanical advance slots on all my distributors to give me 34-36 total degrees.
   I'm using the Mr. Gasket distributor springs on my 410 build but I can't tell you how long they'll stay in there. I found I couldn't run them on my 406 with C6 transmission and run a vacuum advance too. For me to be able to get the idle down to a permissible rpm to keep the transmission from being torn out of the car when shifting from Park-Reverse-Drive I had to go to a Duraspark that allowed me to set the initial at 17 degrees and still start it after it had warmed up. The Duraspark retards the timing 6 degrees on startup. My max total is set to 34 degrees but I think it'd take a little more total.
   From my observation I've found the Mr. Gasket springs are for all out acceration. Having springs that give you maximum mechanical advance at 2100 rpm plays hell when a 10 degree vacuum advance kicks in at the same time. On my 406 I got full advance at 2100 rpm, not 2500. When you start out with your foot on the floor you don't have to worry about the vacuum advance working. Besides that, I can't imagine making a stock distributor work with a bigger cam at slow speeds and cruising. 
   My advice to you if you are running the Mr. Gasket springs is to limit your max rpm by welding up the mechanical slots to get the 20 or so mechanical and 14 or so initial so you don't have to idle at 1000 rpm to keep your engine running. 
   There are advantages to running a $500 aftermarket distributor system on your car. You don't have to learn anything and just have to follow the wiring schematic. Just kidding, they have rev-limiters, little LED lites that flash, you have better control over timing at 6500-7000 shifts and they can produce another 10,000 volts of energy that you don't really need with their super-duper coils you have to buy to go along with the modules.  LOL Good luck.

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Re: Fired my new engine today
« Reply #12 on: February 02, 2013, 05:52:34 PM »
Yes it is about 500 bucks if you get the 6AL digital like I have but offers no modules needed. Soft rev limit is nice so you do not load the engine and destroy it. The box itself has capability of all trigger types including points and costs under 150 bucks. The big money is replacing the inaccurate worn out distribute. They were never intended to spin over 5000 rpm if that.

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Re: Fired my new engine today
« Reply #13 on: February 02, 2013, 06:23:08 PM »
Here is the street fire for 135.00 has multi spark and rev limiter. I went with the 6al digital that is 220.00

http://m.summitracing.com/parts/msd-6302

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Re: Fired my new engine today
« Reply #14 on: February 02, 2013, 06:27:09 PM »
Sorry to hijack your thread Jim and thank you both for your advise. I'm thinking I'll just keep my eyes open for a used Mallory 8595 or Unilite distributor. Welding mine up for a recurve would cost just a few bucks shy of what the Mallory(s) would cost used and they both have adjustable total mechanical advance. I agree that my current issues are probably more than 70% timing with the remaining possibly split between the carb and torque converter.