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Sorry, Wrong runway
« on: March 09, 2020, 03:34:18 AM »
Sorry, wrong runway. I try the next one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIErhm2y7wY
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Re: Sorry, Wrong runway
« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2020, 11:17:54 AM »
Viggins are very cool, but it's a whole lot easier with one of these!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOsl5jrVOTU

Edit - I got to spend two weeks on the Wasp's sister ship - Essex.  At the time she had Harriers instead of F-35B's.  My brother was a Marine officer and it was a very interesting trip!
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Re: Sorry, Wrong runway
« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2020, 11:46:58 AM »
Viggins are very cool, but it's a whole lot easier with one of these!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOsl5jrVOTU

Edit - I got to spend two weeks on the Wasp's sister ship - Essex.  At the time she had Harriers instead of F-35B's.  My brother was a Marine officer and it was a very interesting trip!

The Essex? That was 200 years ago! Congratulations on being one of the 8 surviving crew, and probably the only surviving member, Bill.  ;)
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« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2020, 12:48:40 PM »
Not THAT Essex LOL!  The "new" Essex is a smaller LHD class amphibious carrier.  (The ship's bell from the original Essex is in the wardroom of the new ship though!)

https://www.public.navy.mil/surfor/lhd2/Pages/default.aspx

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Re: Sorry, Wrong runway
« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2020, 01:55:02 PM »
Viggins are very cool, but it's a whole lot easier with one of these!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOsl5jrVOTU

Edit - I got to spend two weeks on the Wasp's sister ship - Essex.  At the time she had Harriers instead of F-35B's.  My brother was a Marine officer and it was a very interesting trip!

Well technology have moved forward in 40-50 years i guess. The reason for this STOL capacity was
so they could land and take of on axillary airstrips on ordinary roads spread out over the country if
the airbases was bombed by the Russians. That gave them a whole lot more targets to divide their
bombers to with their escorts that not had fuel to stay many minutes in Swedish airspace.
Those auxiliary airstrips was and is perfect for......Short bursts of spirited driving. Usulay in pairs
and late at night :-X



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Re: Sorry, Wrong runway
« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2020, 01:01:15 PM »
That is cool, and when it ends this other one is even cooler.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slm9ksxU0HY

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Re: Sorry, Wrong runway
« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2020, 03:07:49 PM »
That is cool, and when it ends this other one is even cooler.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slm9ksxU0HY

That is filmed at an auxiliary airbase close to where i live. The planes, Urban Red a reconnaissance Division based on F21. I worked there as a mechanic
in the early 80s on the J 35 s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXCYg6q7LGw&t=22s



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« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2020, 05:19:37 PM »
The J 35 Draken was an amazing aircraft for its time!  It first flew in 1955, around the time the first truly supersonic U.S. fighter appeared - the F-100 Super Saber. 

The original J 35 was 300 mph faster than the F-100, and with later engines, the Draken could reach Mach 2 (!!)  It's a testament to the design that the J 35 stayed in service for so long.  It served well as an interceptor, fighter, and even attack platform.  It had none of the evil handling characteristics of the F-100, of which nearly 40% (!!) were lost to accidents. 

You've all probably seen the famous "Saber Dance" video.  At the time, sketchy low-speed handling was thought to go hand in hand with supersonic top speed.  Google "Adverse Yaw" if you're curious:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPkqTsZmBRc

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Re: Sorry, Wrong runway
« Reply #8 on: March 11, 2020, 06:20:31 PM »
The J 35 Draken was an amazing aircraft for its time!  It first flew in 1955, around the time the first truly supersonic U.S. fighter appeared - the F-100 Super Saber. 

The original J 35 was 300 mph faster than the F-100, and with later engines, the Draken could reach Mach 2 (!!)  It's a testament to the design that the J 35 stayed in service for so long.  It served well as an interceptor, fighter, and even attack platform.  It had none of the evil handling characteristics of the F-100, of which nearly 40% (!!) were lost to accidents. 

You've all probably seen the famous "Saber Dance" video.  At the time, sketchy low-speed handling was thought to go hand in hand with supersonic top speed.  Google "Adverse Yaw" if you're curious:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPkqTsZmBRc

And they were built like a truck. You could walk all over them working on them. Total absence of  NO STEP signs :D
I changed wing on one that had been in a full speed head on crash with another J35 both landed, but the other one was scraped
due to the damage. It was ripped open from just behind the air intake most of the wing gone and the fin damaged
from hitting the droptank on the one i repaired. They where very easy to work on i started on it after the 9 coffee brake
and it was ready to fly before i finished the day at 4. It was during a big military maneuver  so they needed all planes they
could get airborne. So they stood ready to x-ray the.... whatever you call the beam you bolted the wing to no cracks so i
bolted on a used wing we had leaning against a wall. And this was on a plane that had flown 3X the constructed flight time
Was in service for almost 50 years i believe....Its like a Fokker triplane had been in service in the  60s :o

Sweden had that problem with the swept wing  SAAB 29 Flying barrel as it was called. A lot of crashes in the beginning that's
why the deltawing on the 35.  I was about 3 years old but its etched in my mind i was sitting at the kitchen table waiting for
breakfast when hear a wistling outside, turn my head and a 29 passing outside the window wingtip almost touching the ground
I look right down in the cookpit it is like a photo in my brain,pilot in white helmet with a red stripe, green flight suit, yellow gloves,
black visor on the helmet. Then the full sound, my mother screamed dropped my breakfast i jumped up looked out the window
saw him just clearing the barnroof the telephone wire to my grandparents six meters of the ground was cut. That was a close one
he could as well crashed in to our house and killed us. There was a lot of crashes in the 50-70s a hundreds of pilots died but they exercised hard under realistic combat conditions. As kids we often heard the "thunder of freedom" and saw the fighters in the sky
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Re: Sorry, Wrong runway
« Reply #9 on: March 11, 2020, 06:59:25 PM »
Cool story!  Toughness is a good characteristic for an airplane flown by young, hormone-charged men.  Since this is the "Non-FE Discussion Forum", I can continue a bit.  I won't abuse you though!

The F-15 also has a reputation for being tough.  An Israeli F-15 once flew home with only one wing after a mid-air collision during training.  Even the McDonell Douglas engineers couldn't believe it when they got the story!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fo5hhaylEN4
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