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Re: Another guess the horsepower to throw in the mix......
« Reply #45 on: November 12, 2019, 11:47:18 AM »
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Re: Another guess the horsepower to throw in the mix......
« Reply #46 on: November 12, 2019, 03:40:26 PM »
I looked up the cam for that truck engine. It appears they used 2 cams, 65/66 & 67. @ .050, the timing is In 19/25, .406 lift and set 112 CL, Ex 27/21, .406 lift and 114 CL, both 186 duration.

'67 cam is, In, 17/29, .432 lift, 192 Dur, 113 CL, Ex, 33/12, .435 lift, 199 Dur, 111 CL
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Re: Another guess the horsepower to throw in the mix......
« Reply #47 on: November 12, 2019, 03:54:50 PM »
I looked up the cam for that truck engine. It appears they used 2 cams, 65/66 & 67. @ .050, the timing is In 19/25, .406 lift and set 112 CL, Ex 27/21, .406 lift and 114 CL, both 186 duration.

'67 cam is, In, 17/29, .432 lift, 192 Dur, 113 CL, Ex, 33/12, .435 lift, 199 Dur, 111 CL

Both barn burners LOL
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Re: Another guess the horsepower to throw in the mix......
« Reply #48 on: November 14, 2019, 06:34:28 PM »
We've gotta go dyno 2 engines again tomorrow.  Makes for a long day.  I may run out of energy mid-post. 

Ross put his 461 on the pump first and we were really impressed with the power that it made.  I'm sure he will post his own write-up later on as well.  After lunch, we stuck the 352 on the dyno and went to work.

This thing was a complete variable in what we should expect.  I had no clue if the bearings were worn out, if the pistons were worn out, rings were gone, etc.  I gave it a quick once-over when it was on the stand, but that was about it.  Since we had Ross' engine on the dyno first, it was an easy job to throw the 352 on.   I threw the MSD in, bolted the headers on (with bolts and vice-grips), hooked the fuel line up, and away we went. 

Keep in mind that I had put fresh plugs in, new wires, new oil/filter, and had primed the pump.

The thing fired IMMEDIATELY and settled down to a nice idle.  I set the timing at 36 degrees.

To be honest, I don't remember what the first pull brought us, but it was something low....I'm thinking 150-160 hp. 

It was lean, so I richened the carb up and dialed in 42 degrees of timing.  We were rewarded with 208 hp. 

So for those playing the guessing game, with headers, in stock 2 bbl form, with carb and timing adjusted, it made 208 hp.  Surprised me to death. 

We weren't done yet, so we popped off the 2100 carb and bolted on a Holley 500 cfm 2-bbl.   With the timing still at 42, the Holley carb made us 234 hp. 

Not much else to try, we got to work changing the intake manifold.  Ross and I had the old intake off, gasket surfaces cleaned, new intake prepped, and ready to fire in just under an hour.   With the Blue Thunder intake, a Holley 650 carb, and timing still at 42°, we were rewarded with 264 hp at a whopping 4250 rpm.  Torque was at 344 lb-ft. 

So, quick recap:

352 as is, with headers, timing/fuel optimized - 208 hp

352, with headers, BT intake, 650 carb, - 264 hp. 

What a blast and a sweet little engine.  Oil pressure went up to 65 psi through the pull.  No abnormal noises and not even any blow-by when I pulled the oil filler cap and held my hand over it. 

It was nasty dirty inside though, as I figured it would be.  I really hate to swap any parts into it with it as dirty as it is.  The thought of sticking a new cam and new lifters in a filthy engine just kinda gives me an icky feeling.  I'll think over it some more. 
















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Re: Another guess the horsepower to throw in the mix......
« Reply #49 on: November 14, 2019, 07:29:49 PM »
Love the header clamps, are they factory. That is amazing how much power that picked up.
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« Reply #50 on: November 14, 2019, 07:30:33 PM »
Nice,

So I wasn’t too far off on the first pull  ???

I’m shocked the intake/carb pulled that much gain on a stockish engine...  :o
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Re: Another guess the horsepower to throw in the mix......
« Reply #51 on: November 15, 2019, 09:32:45 AM »
Pull the heads & pressure wash them. You'll want to replace the stem seals and use some thin shim gaskets anyhow. Clean the valley the best you can and the only other place that will be crusty, (probably the worst of all) will be behind the timing cover. easy to clean with the impending cam change. Add a quart of Rislone and you're good to go. Also, I always add some safety wire tethers to my exhaust vice-grips. You don't want to lose one going down the road.
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Re: Another guess the horsepower to throw in the mix......
« Reply #52 on: November 15, 2019, 10:11:33 AM »
A swap to a 500 2bbl made 26 hp, impressiv :o.
A well worn engine made exactly the factory hp
interesting to know does it still have factory valve
seat or have it got a valvejob during its life?
Since my butometer have indicated a noticable
powergain with only a good three angle valvejob
on a othervice stock engine
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Re: Another guess the horsepower to throw in the mix......
« Reply #53 on: November 15, 2019, 12:19:58 PM »
Probably along day but Im sure you guys had a good time. When its fun it isnt really work.
Pretty nice jump, its like a day 2 pickup from 1966.

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Re: Another guess the horsepower to throw in the mix......
« Reply #54 on: November 15, 2019, 01:38:39 PM »
Nice! I'd merely run some Rislone Engine Treatment through it, drain it and refill.....until you want the entire engine stripped down.
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Re: Another guess the horsepower to throw in the mix......
« Reply #55 on: November 15, 2019, 02:10:07 PM »
I don't know why I like this so much. Maybe its a nice reminder that it doesn't have to be pretty to work well.

Only 4hp off on my first guess but way off on the second, but 56hp from an intake and carb! Holy crap I would have never believed that. And quite the pick up with the Holley 2bbl, which was 3hp from my high number. Those extra two barrels and intake make quite a difference.

I can tell you this, the factory 2bbl setup on my F100 is on borrowed time!

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Re: Another guess the horsepower to throw in the mix......
« Reply #56 on: November 15, 2019, 08:23:01 PM »
It's cool to see actual numbers and an improvement from your typical bolt on stuff which is probably all you could afford when you were 18 (sometimes I still can barely afford it!) and working in the driveway.

It's also impressive that it's still making "good" power considering it probably didn't have stellar treatment over the years.

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Re: Another guess the horsepower to throw in the mix......
« Reply #57 on: November 16, 2019, 08:01:01 AM »
So the data I have from the two 2-bbl carbs fits in nicely with the discussion that we were having on Sandhauler's thread about carburetor sizes. 

Obviously not a race engine by any means, very low rpm, just a nice sweetheart of a street engine. 

The Autolite 2100 averaged 195.50 hp and 275.85 lb-ft from 3000-4500. 

The Holley 500 averaged 205.91 hp and 288.39 lb-ft from 3000-4500. 

That's an incredible increase in both peaks and averages.  Air fuel ratios between the two carburetors in tuned form were basically exactly the same throughout the pulls.
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Re: Another guess the horsepower to throw in the mix......
« Reply #58 on: November 16, 2019, 08:25:38 AM »
I don't know why I like this so much. Maybe its a nice reminder that it doesn't have to be pretty to work well.

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Strange isn’t it - a grimy ol 352 gets all the attention, complete with chain marks on the valve cover...

What is the CR on these, I know a truck 360 is dismal, but not sure about a 352...

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Re: Another guess the horsepower to throw in the mix......
« Reply #59 on: November 16, 2019, 09:21:56 AM »
I don't know why I like this so much. Maybe its a nice reminder that it doesn't have to be pretty to work well.

...

Strange isn’t it - a grimy ol 352 gets all the attention, complete with chain marks on the valve cover...

What is the CR on these, I know a truck 360 is dismal, but not sure about a 352...

8.9:1......
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