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Putting A Little Pep In My 390's Step
« on: September 02, 2019, 09:43:20 PM »
This build started out 3 years ago after I had a collapsed hydraulic lifter I was fighting. I just wanted to swap to a slightly larger solid flat tappet and run Drag Week '17. Well, one thing led to the next and the engine is out of the car and bare block. Glad I took it apart. Went to machine shop to have it cleaned up and found a crack on the #4 main. Rats. So, the original block and heads went into storage and gave me a good excuse to build it better. This is part 2 of the rebuild. Couple problems last year on first go around and decided to do it better this time.

This will be pic heavy, grab a beverage and get comfortable.

Basic run down of setup:

D4TE-1 block from a dump truck, dist. bushing from POP installed
2U crank from original 390
Scat 6.490" h beams with ARP 2000 bolts
Custom CP 4.085" flat tops, 8cc reliefs with metric 1.5, 1.5, 3.0mm rings (Napier second)
Custom 4140 cross-bolt main caps
Ishihara Johnson crank scraper
Canton screen windage tray
Schumann HV oil pump, POP billet drive, POP oil pump studs
Milodon 31130 oil pan and matching pickup
Solid roller cam, Crower hippo lifters (Not releasing cam specs)
Jay's timing set with Pioneer steel thrust plate
Blair's street pro port heads w/ 2.200, 1.650" valves, street exhaust port, 53cc chamber
Victor Reinz #3389 head gasket for 12.5:1 compression
Edelbrock RPM intake port matched and plenum mods
Erson rockers with upgraded DSC shafts and custom 7075 stands, ARP studs
Smith Bros. pushrods
NGK race plugs #7 heat range
Factory dist. with Pertronix Ignitor III, light advance springs, quicker curve, Crane steel gear
Scratch built 750 annular currently, probably switch to an 820 BG annular once in car
King main bearings, Federal Mogul rod bearings, Durabond FP-33 cam bearings
Factory 427 dual port oil filter adapter, modified
Pioneer SFI damper with billet aluminum crank spacer, oil slinger
C3AE timing cover
Ford Racing billet steel flywheel
PRW HV water pump, logo removed/ Robert Shaw high flow 160 t-stat
PBF covers going on in car, switching to Moroso Ultra 40 wires, Pertronix digital HP ignition box
Factory starter
Mad Dog 2" headers into some custom merge collectors

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Re: Putting A Little Pep In My 390's Step
« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2019, 09:59:16 PM »
Starting with the mirror 105 block, it was cleaned and magged. Extensive oil mods throughout. Went to a local machinist who made some nice custom cross bolt main caps. I told him what I was looking for and he delivered. 4140 steel caps with 2-2 1/2 thou press on each side into block skirt. I told him keep them close to pan rail to not cut as much from the main webbing.








#5 cap modified for studs. Deburred edges later on...


I later added some 3/8"-24 shallow holes for slide hammer removal



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« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2019, 10:07:53 PM »
Block needed four sleeves, two on each bank. No sleeves were adjacent cylinders, luckily. I unshrouded for the big valves. Block decked and left pistons .003" down. Crank was still at stock journal size. Crank was cleaned, magged, shot peened, ground, and polished. I ordered 10 under bearings for mains and rods and had clearances set. Crank also got some special treatment after it left the machine shop.

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« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2019, 10:18:16 PM »
Blueprint everything. Here is why you should spotface or mill the bolt hole pads flat on the oil pump. New pump mocked up with studs snugged up:




A couple oil mods to the heads. Radiused feeds, enlarged and blended drainbacks, and tapped feed hole for 12-28 set screws drilled for restrictors.







Heads got some logo removal for a stock look once painted. Rough cut here and finished with some sanding.



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« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2019, 10:24:12 PM »
Rotating assembly in and checking fitment for crank scraper and windage tray. Crank scraper took some fine tuning to get everything in check. I removed the small scraper from the Canton tray.






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« Reply #5 on: September 02, 2019, 10:29:23 PM »
The bumpstick. Solid roller. I don't want to give the specs. Lift somewhere between .6-.800", duration between 260-280. Lobe separation is 110, 106 centerline.



Degreed in with Jay's adjustable timing set.

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« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2019, 10:35:28 PM »
Wrapping up the bottom end...No side seals on rear cap. Filled channels with Motorcraft TA-31 and installed cap. Then, I stuffed more in until it squeezed out the rear. No gaskets on the pan rail, silicone also. Timing cover got silicone, too.




The oil pump got a special treatment also





I had to grind slightly on the vertical casting rib on the back of the timing cover to clear the ARP bolts I installed in the cam gear. Small detail, I drilled and tapped the upper 4 timing cover bolts to 3/8" also. Never understood why they made them smaller.

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« Reply #7 on: September 02, 2019, 10:39:56 PM »
Crower HIPPO lifters and Victor 3389 head gaskets installed.


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« Reply #8 on: September 02, 2019, 10:48:06 PM »
This step was obviously performed before the last post. Intake got some work. Pushrod holes opened and elongated. Port matching to heads and plenum modification. Plenum mods are covered, sorry. Also removed all Edelbrock logos, part#, and casting lumps on top of ports.




After this step, I went to Harbor Freight and bought a cheap needle scaler. I rounded the ends of the needles and re-textured the whole intake, so it loos like a solid clean casting.


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« Reply #9 on: September 02, 2019, 10:50:35 PM »
While the block was bare this time, I decided to tap for screw-in core plugs. I got these from DSC. .650" thick. I used two taps, one cut about a quarter inch shorter for a "bottoming" tap.

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Re: Putting A Little Pep In My 390's Step
« Reply #10 on: September 02, 2019, 11:03:01 PM »
The bumpstick. Solid roller. I don't want to give the specs. Lift somewhere between .6-.800", duration between 260-280. Lobe separation is 110, 106 centerline.

at .050??!! GADZOOKS! :o

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« Reply #11 on: September 02, 2019, 11:08:56 PM »
Rockers are a new set of Erson's. I used DSC heavy duty shafts. Upgraded thread inserts in the head. I didn't like the geometry with the stock stands. They needed to be raised .030" to be perfect. Sweep came in at just under .050". I also didn't care for the sloppy bolt holes in the Erson stands. I had the guy who made the main caps whip up some new stands. Material is 7075 aluminum. .030" taller, flat base( I clearanced for head studs), and finish reamed the holes to 3/8". It is as precise a fit as you can get. I install the rockers with the studs already in the stands, and drop in place and carefully start them all. The rocker studs are ARP. I also got new ones and had the oiling one necked down. I left the shoulder low, so it registers in the top of the stand and about halfway through the shaft, so it still oils fine. I also gave a generous chamfer to the bottom of the oil feed hole in the stand.






The adjuster screws are another nit pick of mine. I compared the ball end screw adjusters from Erson, Harland Sharp, and Crane. The Harland Sharps are the nicest, IMO. the ball has a nice radius and is the closest dimensionally to the 3/8" size. You can feel the difference moving them in the pushrods cup. Harland Sharp has a precision fit. Picture is HS left, Crane right:


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« Reply #12 on: September 02, 2019, 11:09:43 PM »
I will have to find a pic of the rockers and pushrods, finish installed
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« Reply #13 on: September 02, 2019, 11:11:40 PM »
The bumpstick. Solid roller. I don't want to give the specs. Lift somewhere between .6-.800", duration between 260-280. Lobe separation is 110, 106 centerline.

at .050??!! GADZOOKS! :o


I wouldn't run something that small, advertised.  ;D
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« Reply #14 on: September 02, 2019, 11:56:20 PM »
Beautiful work Jared, your attention to detail really shows.  I'm sure it will all pay off with a very strong engine.  Do you plan to dyno this one?  Street and strip, or strip only?
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« Reply #15 on: September 03, 2019, 06:48:34 AM »
Cool.  What are the cam spec's?

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« Reply #16 on: September 03, 2019, 10:16:00 AM »
The bumpstick. Solid roller. I don't want to give the specs. Lift somewhere between .6-.800", duration between 260-280. Lobe separation is 110, 106 centerline.

at .050??!! GADZOOKS! :o


I wouldn't run something that small, advertised.  ;D
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« Reply #17 on: September 03, 2019, 06:28:54 PM »
Beautiful work Jared, your attention to detail really shows.  I'm sure it will all pay off with a very strong engine.  Do you plan to dyno this one?  Street and strip, or strip only?


Thanks Jay. I don't think I will dyno this one. It will be street n strip. The track is an excellent dyno....
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« Reply #18 on: September 04, 2019, 10:43:05 PM »
Nice work Jared. Thanks for posting.
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« Reply #19 on: September 05, 2019, 09:01:51 PM »
Thanks John. Maybe you want to rethink the stroker route this time, and do something like this.....
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« Reply #20 on: September 06, 2019, 10:45:06 PM »
Haha, Jared, it’s very tempting.....I’m not the most engine savvy guy, but something tells me your unspecified solid roller and 12.5 compression would not be user friendly with my desire for power brakes!!  ;D ;D Yea, I’m one of those guys.  ::)
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« Reply #21 on: September 07, 2019, 06:59:40 PM »
but something tells me your unspecified solid roller and 12.5 compression would not be user friendly with my desire for power brakes!!


Aww c'mon, they make vacuum pumps... ;)
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« Reply #22 on: September 11, 2019, 02:36:10 PM »
Yeah, great pictures. Thanks for sharing your build. You have great attention to detail.

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« Reply #23 on: September 11, 2019, 04:33:52 PM »
very nicely done!

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« Reply #24 on: September 11, 2019, 11:46:38 PM »
Yeah, great pictures. Thanks for sharing your build. You have great attention to detail.

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Thanks Mike!


very nicely done!

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« Reply #25 on: October 08, 2019, 11:21:32 AM »
Hi Jared,
Not to take away from this build, but I saw on one of your other posts you had made up some steel shim plates for your rocker stands. I may need to do the same. Was that just mild steel that you used, or something fancy? I take it you just traced out the footprint of your rocker assembly?

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« Reply #26 on: October 08, 2019, 04:54:08 PM »
Didn't see this until today. Very nice stuff, lot of patience there.
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« Reply #27 on: October 08, 2019, 06:54:43 PM »
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« Reply #28 on: October 08, 2019, 09:13:26 PM »
heo , is it cold there yet ? 90 here in Florida , would like some cooler whether

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« Reply #29 on: October 08, 2019, 10:23:09 PM »
Hi Jared,
Not to take away from this build, but I saw on one of your other posts you had made up some steel shim plates for your rocker stands. I may need to do the same. Was that just mild steel that you used, or something fancy? I take it you just traced out the footprint of your rocker assembly?

Thanks,
Mike


No problem, Mike. I didn't go fancy on those shims. I figured if the stands were aluminum, even a strong grade, then mild steel should suffice. I just went to my local store and got some 1/4" thick flat stock. I bolted the rocker stands down and took an overall measurement and cut to length. Then I measured for bolt hole locations and drilled them out. Then I marked where the head studs would interfere and marked locations to notch for valvesprings. I did trace the inside of the end stands to clearance for the head studs. Then I made sure I trued the faces and got my desired thickness.

These pics are of iteration 1 of this build(RIP)


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« Reply #30 on: October 08, 2019, 10:28:10 PM »
Didn't see this until today. Very nice stuff, lot of patience there.


I will say I have never had an engine give me so many issues. I haven't included any of that though, thought I would spare everyone. My patience has worn exceedingly thin with this thing...
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« Reply #31 on: October 08, 2019, 10:39:28 PM »
Forgot a shot of the rockers and the whole engine:






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« Reply #32 on: October 08, 2019, 11:00:48 PM »
Couple of last minute mockup things. I decided to try a different approach to my coolant drain setup. I am going to tie both the block drains into a tee with the radiator, so I can drain it all at once and from a convenient place. I also picked up some 3/8" valve cover spacers so I can clear my custom rocker stands without modifying the baffles. Since everything has been milled, I needed to elongate a few of the holes so the spacers and valve covers would line up.









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« Reply #33 on: October 09, 2019, 03:46:56 AM »
heo , is it cold there yet ? 90 here in Florida , would like some cooler whether
Below freezing at nights for the last week or so. When i let the dogs out this morning
there was a light snowfall, I trade your weather for mine weather any day :D



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« Reply #34 on: October 10, 2019, 09:40:42 AM »
Very nice work, Jared. Something tells me you've put a little thought into this build?  ;D
12.5:1 compression is pretty stout. What does your dynamic compression work out to? I assume you want it to work on pump gas while on the street? Any thoughts of doing Drag Week if it comes around to your area?

I'll be curious, after some street miles, if you have any seeping issues on the oil pan, since you didn't use a gasket. Was your thinking to eliminate the pan deformation that occurs when using the gasket?
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« Reply #35 on: October 12, 2019, 08:03:46 PM »
Very nice work, Jared. Something tells me you've put a little thought into this build?  ;D
12.5:1 compression is pretty stout. What does your dynamic compression work out to? I assume you want it to work on pump gas while on the street? Any thoughts of doing Drag Week if it comes around to your area?

I'll be curious, after some street miles, if you have any seeping issues on the oil pan, since you didn't use a gasket. Was your thinking to eliminate the pan deformation that occurs when using the gasket?


Thanks Doug.

I would've liked a little more compression. I was hoping this time around to bump it a full point from last time. It was 12.0:1 before, did a little more milling this time, but not enough to reach 13:1. I had to check on the dynamic again because I forgot. It came out to 8.99:1. I was not concerned this time about pump gas, but I *might* get by if I am very careful with a few tweaks and don't flog it. I think I have settled on a 4.71 gear for now. I have a 4.86, but might be a wisker too much. I would've loved to do Drag Week '17 with it, which is why I'm in this boat right now. In '17, the tracks couldn't have been any closer for me. It was ideal. I live about halfway between Byron and Cordova. About 40-45 mins. to Byron and 1 hr to Cordova. Easy drive to the track when I want to race. I see the list for the 2020 tracks, and am debating. I should have the car together by then. I couldn't JUST build a new engine......I had to upgrade everything front to rear.....may add that to my build thread.

I haven't seen any seepage yet on the pan rail or timing cover. I have a good amount of faith in it. I use Motorcraft TA-31 exclusively. I haven't found anything that the stuff won't seal through. I first started using it at the dealership and saw how well it worked, so I started using it at home on my own junk. All late model engines are assembled with just sealer. Only gaskets are for intake and valve covers. I also didn't want to stack 2-3 cork gaskets in there and worry about cross member clearance and also pickup depth. The pickup depth checked fine the way it is currently.
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« Reply #36 on: October 27, 2019, 09:40:06 PM »
Looks good Jared, didn’t you get a set of main caps from me? Or was that a different build?


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« Reply #37 on: October 28, 2019, 06:09:12 PM »
Thanks Cody.

Yes, I did get a set of your caps. Unfortunately, they did not line up with this block. After some measuring, I found out the crank centerline was slightly offset. Thus, I needed to start over with some new caps matched to this block. Mine may have been a Friday build.....on the 13th...
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« Reply #38 on: November 03, 2019, 10:34:16 PM »
Not a lot of spare time lately, but got a few minor things done. Got the new Moroso Ultra 40 wires on and removed the lettering and added smooth boots at distributor cap. Took a chance and bought the FAST distributor cap. It was black with brass terminals as I was hoping. Finished mockup of the new fuel system. Mounted the Barry Grant 820cfm with Holley big billet regulator and -6 lines and -8 insulated feed.






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« Reply #39 on: November 01, 2020, 08:46:26 PM »
Thought I would dust off this old thread with a minor update. Engine has been in the car for a few months, I have had it running and driving for a couple. Engine now has a little over 300 miles and all seems well. I have finally after waiting almost a month, made it to the track for the first time. Car has been down for 4 years for "maintenance". The weather has not been cooperating lately with freezing temps and rain. Yesterday was my last ditch effort, I thought to make it down the track before it closes for the year.

I drove the car to the track(about 45mins.) starting out below 40° and on the slicks. Temp did make it to mid 50's by end of day. We got there, got tech'd in, and found a place to park. I checked a couple things like timing, tire press., and rear shock settings. I go up and make my first run. Felt okay, but spun off the line. Get my time slip and head back to the pits. It ran 11.47 @ 122.00. I get back to the pits and surprised to run into a couple FE forum members with their cars. I made a couple more passes, but didn't improve any(slowed a tenth or two) due to lack of traction. This whole time at the track we are fighting at least 20-25mph straight headwind coming up the track. I should also mention it was a diesel drag event and a lot of people on street tires not helping the starting line(another excuse). So, right when I go to make my last(5th) pass for the day, they throw some fresh prep down on the line. I tried launching anywhere from 4000-5500 before. I tried 4500 one last time. It tried to hook, but broke loose just a tad. I made my best pass for the day. 11.37 @ 121.99 w/ a 1.65 60'. My 60' times were all over before from 1.79-1.91(no hooky). I air'd the tires back up and headed home. All in all, had a good time and was great to talk with a couple fellow members. Nothing broke and car felt strong, so that was a plus. I have a pic of the last time slip. You can see there is much room for improvement, mostly in the short track. And yes, I was making a sandwich as the light changed. I am also a sucker for punishment shifting through an old Hurst competition plus. The car weighs right at 3650 with me in it. With the strong head wind, I feel there is another 1-2mph left in it. I will be satisfied when I see a 10 sec slip. Baby steps....




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« Reply #40 on: November 01, 2020, 09:48:08 PM »
Engine looks beautiful and it’s going to fool some people when they see it’s performance, glad to see you got a chance to get it out and start having fun with it. Those numbers are certainly encouraging, I’m sure you’ll make your goal.
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« Reply #41 on: November 02, 2020, 07:47:38 AM »
Driving to the track, racing, then driving home? Sounds like you're all set for Drag Week :)

Congrats on a good outing, and having no issues. That's got to build your confidence in the engine! How did your trans shift? Your speed certainly indicates you have more potential in the car. Hopefully winter will hold off so you can get some more seat time.

The engine really looks great, Jared. Even the engine tag looks new..lol
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« Reply #42 on: November 02, 2020, 02:35:30 PM »
Awesome Jared excellent attention to detail. Strong outing with alot more potential still left. Those 60 ft times will be in the high 140s to low 150s before long. Congrats!!!

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« Reply #43 on: November 02, 2020, 07:27:42 PM »
Thank you Kevin, Doug, and Joe. I appreciate the compliments.


Driving to the track, racing, then driving home? Sounds like you're all set for Drag Week :)

Congrats on a good outing, and having no issues. That's got to build your confidence in the engine! How did your trans shift? Your speed certainly indicates you have more potential in the car. Hopefully winter will hold off so you can get some more seat time.


Yes Doug, the plan was to make it to DW this year with the car. I was already registered. It was going to be close getting the roll bar and trailer hitch installed before the race, but I think I would have made it. Once they cancelled the race, I went back to dragging my feet getting the car finished. I STILL don't have the roll bar or hitch installed.  ::)

I've had a few teething issues leading up to going to the track. I still don't have full confidence in it, but getting there. Yes, I did have no issues driving there, racing, or driving home. The trans shifts pretty good being pro-shifted. I am power shifting it at the track and occasionally on the street. I have learned REAL quick, unless I double clutch when cruising around on the street, the slider teeth will get burred up quickly. I've already pulled the trans once to deburr the 3-4 slider. Easy fix, but it still all has to come apart. Weather is looking like it will cooperate for this coming week/weekend, so I think I will try to go and improve some. To answer an update for you from a while back, I have seen no leaks at all from just using the sealer around the pan rail, timing cover, rear main cap, etc. She's sealed up nice so far....


Joe, if I get the 60' down to the 1.4 range, LOOK OUT 10's.  :D


Forgot to mention earlier, I'm still running through exhaust and have the little 750dp carb on it.
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« Reply #44 on: November 05, 2020, 11:01:31 AM »
Jared, that is an awesome first outing with new engine! I hope you get another trip to track in before season is over. If you do please consider posting results in Drag Strip Results section.
Did the 4.71s get engine to the trap rpm you were after? Are you running 9 x 28 slicks?
Great results!
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« Reply #45 on: November 05, 2020, 06:44:06 PM »
Jared, that is an awesome first outing with new engine! I hope you get another trip to track in before season is over. If you do please consider posting results in Drag Racing section.
Did the 4.71s get engine to the trap rpm you were after? Are you running 9 x 28 slicks?
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Thanks JB!

I am planning on going back this weekend. The 4.71 is pretty much exactly as I expected. I do believe it could actually use a 4.86. Fortunately, I have one laying around already polished. Yes, M/T ET Drag 28×9 tires.
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« Reply #47 on: November 09, 2020, 10:30:12 PM »
Thanks Bob!

I was pretty frustrated from the pass right before that, so I hot lapped it since I knew it would be my last. Terrible launch, looked like slight wheel hop combined with bog and I was shiftin like an old lady. Anyway, it was a great time talking to you and Dick. Look forward to more next year...
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« Reply #48 on: November 11, 2020, 08:51:16 AM »
We had a great time the last two weekends hanging out with you and Dad.  Good way to end the season. Quality / appearance /performance off the Fairlane is great.  Talk to you later, Bob

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« Reply #49 on: November 20, 2020, 11:14:51 PM »
Cool.  What are the cam spec's?
i guess you have your reason for not sharing cam specs,but there are lots of different cams will go low 11s.not like your running in the nines with a 390.
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« Reply #50 on: November 21, 2020, 06:15:34 PM »
Jared, if you go with the 4.86s and you don’t want to put the 4.71s on the shelf please keep me in mind. I’m going with a taller tire and I might need ‘em.
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« Reply #51 on: November 22, 2020, 04:46:21 PM »
Cool.  What are the cam spec's?
i guess you have your reason for not sharing cam specs,but there are lots of different cams will go low 11s.not like your running in the nines with a 390.

It's a shelf grind. I would be burned at the stake by the experts if I gave the exact specs. I know I'm an idiot for not going with a custom grind, but oh well. It's in between a 3/4 and full race. I'd say maybe 13/16 or 7/8.
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« Reply #52 on: November 22, 2020, 04:48:38 PM »
Jared, if you go with the 4.86s and you don’t want to put the 4.71s on the shelf please keep me in mind. I’m going with a taller tire and I might need ‘em.
Be well


JB, I will keep you in mind. I may keep them in case I find out I need to go back...

Hope you get your 10 sec pass, too.
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« Reply #53 on: November 22, 2020, 05:01:54 PM »
Cool.  What are the cam spec's?
i guess you have your reason for not sharing cam specs,but there are lots of different cams will go low 11s.not like your running in the nines with a 390.

It's a shelf grind. I would be burned at the stake by the experts if I gave the exact specs. I know I'm an idiot for not going with a custom grind, but oh well. It's in between a 3/4 and full race. I'd say maybe 13/16 or 7/8.

LOL!!! Now that's funny, Jared!! ;D ;D
I've had a couple shelf grinds that worked pretty darn well. One Crane that's out of production, I wish I could find NOS.
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« Reply #54 on: February 03, 2021, 01:02:12 PM »
in my 428 im using an old comp 292 hyd .243 at 50 and on the street and track im happy with it.
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« Reply #55 on: February 03, 2021, 01:43:17 PM »
It's in between a 3/4 and full race. I'd say maybe 13/16 or 7/8.
Hah, made me wonder if anyone ever bragged about a 1/2 race cam? Gotta be quicker than stock. 8)
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« Reply #56 on: February 03, 2021, 07:50:43 PM »
in my 428 im using an old comp 292 hyd .243 at 50 and on the street and track im happy with it.


When you find something you're happy with, that's all that matters. :) This one is 267@.050". This is by no means a max effort build. It is just a 390 with 12.5:1, solid roller, dual plane, and for now a 750 carb. Nothing special. A good set of heads, though. At 123+mph and 3650lbs, I feel it is respectable for what it is. Other than some driveability, I am happy with it. Fingers crossed, I will see a 10sec slip this year.
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« Reply #57 on: February 05, 2021, 12:40:23 AM »
I thought that comment about a secret Cam grind was funny. You're doing very well with the combo at hand however don't think you'll see any gain with a gear swap. Just not enough difference to make a difference. I ran a 4.86 and and went down to a 4.57 because my MPH picked up with engine improvements and I'm out of RPM. Could easily go down some more but then I do have a secret Cam in my 390 and yes it could use something better. Sometimes best to stick with what you know works.   

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« Reply #58 on: February 05, 2021, 08:49:45 AM »
Cool.  What are the cam spec's?
i guess you have your reason for not sharing cam specs,but there are lots of different cams will go low 11s.not like your running in the nines with a 390.

It's a shelf grind. I would be burned at the stake by the experts if I gave the exact specs. I know I'm an idiot for not going with a custom grind, but oh well. It's in between a 3/4 and full race. I'd say maybe 13/16 or 7/8.
Nice! You truly had me laughing out loud at this!  :)

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« Reply #59 on: February 05, 2021, 07:53:20 PM »
You're doing very well with the combo at hand however don't think you'll see any gain with a gear swap. Just not enough difference to make a difference. I ran a 4.86 and and went down to a 4.57 because my MPH picked up with engine improvements and I'm out of RPM.


Thanks for chiming in, Dale. I have always been inspired by your 390. Not many guys still left running one. Strokers seem to be the knee jerk reaction for builds anymore. Anyway, I was speaking with a gentleman who has a bit more experience than I, and he thought for my combo, that I could use more gear. I already have a 4.86 laying around and had it polished, so I am debating tossing it in and trying. I still need to get my suspension figured out first and work on the shifts a little more. Maybe I won't need it after all? I'm not sure yet. One thing that doesn't help me any is the lousy 2.78 first gear. I still have a little room for more RPM through the traps as is.....I dunno

Just curious what your current trap RPM is. Is it around 7000?
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« Reply #60 on: February 07, 2021, 11:27:27 AM »
I do have a secret Cam in my 390 and yes it could use something better. Sometimes best to stick with what you know works.

Spoiler alert: IIRC Crane Nitro F320-2. For a 390 it's like a 15/16.  ;D

Darn 10's are tough to get down to! No doubt you'll get there, Jared. You obviously have a knack for details.  8)
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« Reply #61 on: February 07, 2021, 08:32:57 PM »
Darn 10's are tough to get down to! No doubt you'll get there, Jared. You obviously have a knack for details.  8)


Thanks Kevin! Weren't you knocking on the door to 10's? A few of us are itching for that 10sec pass this year. I hope we all make it and more than once, so we know it's not a fluke. ;D  BTW, I like the progress on your truck, it looks awesome!
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« Reply #62 on: February 08, 2021, 09:11:44 PM »
10s yes the pain :o

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« Reply #63 on: February 10, 2021, 07:24:30 PM »
I'm rootin' for you, Joe. I know you'll get there.
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« Reply #64 on: February 11, 2021, 12:43:50 AM »
Ha hopefully we are all so close. I’m caught in do I want to keep things the same or one small tweek so I can get over the hump. Your gonna do it with a lot less cubes. I’m rooting for ya also.

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« Reply #65 on: February 11, 2021, 01:23:32 AM »
I know you can do it as-is. Even the right weather may be enough to get you there. I say try it again. Me on the other hand, I need some suspension tuning and may need to hire a better driver. I don't have very many passes under my belt. The car and I are a work in progress...
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« Reply #66 on: February 11, 2021, 11:10:08 AM »
I’m sure the driver is fine, but if you can get that thing to hook you’ll be we’re you want to be. There’s a lot of guys on the forum that get those cars to hook ask them for advice. I raced a guy on the forum John 427 his car hooks nice maybe he can steer you in the right direction. But by looking the front isn’t coming up, you have all the right parts in the rear.

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« Reply #67 on: February 11, 2021, 03:37:53 PM »
I agree. Got to get the front end a little more loosey goosey.  Ran almost the same mph as the White Fairlane, so it is making good power.

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« Reply #68 on: February 11, 2021, 07:29:32 PM »
Thanks Joe. I think the front didn't rise very well in that other vid because that was the only pass that bogged. In this clip it looks like it tries to rise okay, but may need improvement. Video is not the best, sorry.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-76yZeq5j-k


Mike, I agree. I was in a rush to get to the track before it closed and one of my new 90/10 shocks went out, so I just threw the old KYB's back on to drive it. I still need to get some other shocks for it yet. Hopefully that helps the situation.
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« Reply #69 on: February 11, 2021, 09:52:36 PM »
What are your rear shocks set on. I happen to be on 7, I originally got that number from don fotti. Obviously your car is different than mine but it might be a starting point. Your front shocks are not letting it to come up. I would think with the stick it should come up nice.

Cobrajet2 I believe I saw your wagon at the beaver and Jareds car needs to transfer like yours.
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« Reply #70 on: February 11, 2021, 10:20:28 PM »
I have Viking double adjustable on the rear. I was at 3 on compression and 10 on rebound. For the street, I was using 5 for both. They are 18 way adjustable. I think.
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« Reply #71 on: February 12, 2021, 12:43:00 AM »
I couldn’t get my car to hook right, it kept unloading. I got the Calvert shocks front and rear and made I think two adjustments in the rear and haven’t touched them since. I think they should give me a discount for all the times I plug there shocks. ;)

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« Reply #72 on: September 10, 2023, 07:38:31 PM »
Blowing the dust off this old thread. It's been a long, hard road, but after changing my mind several times and waiting on parts for what seems like forever, I have iteration #3 of the dumpster fire 390. Way too much to list right now, but here's a clip of it running today:

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« Reply #73 on: September 10, 2023, 08:40:00 PM »
Looks good and sounds healthy, Jared. Is that a BBM head/intake combo?
I hope you have some fun with it.
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« Reply #74 on: September 10, 2023, 09:39:09 PM »
Looks good and sounds healthy, Jared. Is that a BBM head/intake combo?
I hope you have some fun with it.


Thanks Doug. The short of it before I dive into a lengthy write-up, is the same street Pro Port heads as before and a new Trick Flow tunnel wedge.
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« Reply #75 on: September 11, 2023, 11:24:27 AM »
Like Etta sang, At Last.

Love that throttle response!
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« Reply #76 on: September 11, 2023, 07:23:51 PM »
Where to start.........Oh yeah, why the engine came apart to begin with. During the last 50-100 miles I put on in fall of '20, I noticed a little oil showing up in the radiator. No big deal, suck the oil off the top and top off the oil. Well, I also had at the same time a hairline crack at the drain plug bung on the oil pan. So, to fix it I decided to pull the pan and weld it up. After I removed the pan, I looked up and noticed a couple drips of water coming off the #4 main/cam bearing. Now the problem was going the other way. :( So, out came the engine for repair....I also noticed the glyptal was questionable in the pan, so I just removed everything. Welded the crack in the pan and added a new drain plug/bung in the rear.

I sleeved the oil passage in the block on both sides and had my machine shop pressure test it with hot water-checked OK. So, more good news, my machinist was checking over the crank and magged it. Thought there was a hairline crack starting on #5 rod journal radius. I wasn't there to see the mag being done, but he does good work and I trust him. I can't see with my eye anything at all, so must be extremely faint. I dug out another spare 390 crank and decided, why not do the things I thought about last time.

I spent a couple minutes and removed all the glyptal inside and smoothed things out:






Here's the new(used) crank as it started after a pass from the magnaflux:




I decided to bull nose and knife edge the counter weights as well as remove all the rough casting. So I started hacking and grinding....











I figured since I was this far, I would take it to a semi-local place to have it cryogenically frozen. This crank was already .010/.010" and needed to go to .020" on mains and .030" on the rods to clean up. So this is what it looked like after it was frozen and machined:




I also had it REM polished. It's my poor boy billet crank. ;D


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« Reply #77 on: September 11, 2023, 07:38:42 PM »
I was also debating throwing a set of Molnar rods in to lighten up some more. I acquired a set and at the same time, I came across a deal on a set of used Crower rods. They are at least 100g lighter than the Scat rods I had previously.

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I had to have the pin holes honed in the pistons for the slightly larger .990" pins in the Crower rods. My pistons already used a .984" pin, so just a slight hone to the pistons for the new pins to fit. All the main/rod bearings and pin end bushings in the rods were coated. Piston pin bores and skirts were coated on the pistons.

Crank installed and checking thrust:



Slugs and rods installed:


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« Reply #78 on: September 11, 2023, 08:00:36 PM »
I didn't really care for the pickup tube from Milodon that matched the #31130 pan. I like the look of the Moroso, as it has very large radius bends. I thought I could improve on the pickup "box" on the Moroso though. Here's a comparison between the Moroso and the Milodon:





I started my Frankenstein project. I took a factory bell pickup tube and cut it apart:





I cleaned it VERY thoroughly and smashed the flange back down where the screen was sandwiched. I also welded in a washer in the center for a little more strength.



I also made a new screen out of 3/16" holed mesh. I countersunk the holes till the edges just about touch on the inlet side and trimmed to fit the dia. of the bell.



I'm well aware the larger screen will allow possible debris to enter the pump, but I'm willing to take that chance. Plus, I have strong magnets all over. Anyway, I needed to make a new inlet tube for the pickup. I cut the whole box off the Moroso unit and measured the length that I should need for tubing. I grabbed some 3/4" tubing placed it in the vice. First step was to make a nice radius for the entry. So I heated the end of the tubing a found a socket that slid inside the tube and also had a radius that I liked and hammered it home:





I cut the tubing to length and welded it into the bell.



Then I welded the tube to the now modified Moroso piece:




After rechecking fitment, I fully welded the bell to the tube and the screen around the perimeter.
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« Reply #79 on: September 11, 2023, 08:19:57 PM »
Oil pump was next on the list. I decided to make an external bypass pump myself, since nobody offers one that I'm aware of for an FE. I started on one and didn't like how it was going, so tried again on another pump. I tapped the internal relief hole for a 7/16-20 set screw. I needed to make sure the plug wouldn't move, so I drilled and tapped the outside for a 4-40 cone-tipped set screw and dimpled the screw to accept the cone tip for a positive stop. I figured all I would have to do is drill a hole 90° from the one inside the pump to have the external bypass and have the relief start at the same psi. The set screws are held with red thread locker.





I tapped the external relief hole for 1/4" NPT and used a 45° -6AN fitting to dump back to the pan.
The inlet and inside of the pump were ported to improve flow. The casting is atrocious out of the box. Here's a before and after:







Another point of attention is the mounting flange of the pump. Casting is very uneven. I made a quick tool to spot face the surface.



The pump assembled after coating the gears and inside of housing:




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« Reply #80 on: September 11, 2023, 08:38:15 PM »
Using Jay's timing set, I started with some grade 9 bolts for the thrust plate and trimmed them to get .020-.025" clearance behind the hub.





Degree-ing the new "unspecified" solid roller that I picked out. Decided against putting the old cam back in. I also added a second dowel pin to the cam and made my own pins out of 5/16" tool steel rod. The camshaft, like the crank, wrist pins, rocker shafts, and a couple other parts, was also REM polished.





Buttoning up the short block:





Same windage tray and scraper as before.






Slapping on the Street Pro Port heads.


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« Reply #81 on: September 11, 2023, 09:14:55 PM »
Back-tracking quite a bit, I had gotten the bug early-on to maybe try out a tunnel wedge this time. I had my block back from the machine shop, so I dropped it back in the car and sat a Dove tunnel wedge on that I had. I was hoping to keep everything under the stock GT hood. So I began to mock everything up. Thanks to Ross for the 450 Holley's. They came in handy for mockup. :)




Checking for air cleaner clearance...



I figured if I ran a 1/4" wood spacer under the carbs and didn't use any base gaskets for the air cleaner base and also cut the stepped flange off on the base of the air cleaner, so the lid is flat on top of the carbs, I could run a 2 1/4" filter. This means poking holes in the base for the needle and seat adjusters.



I also tried to lay out the fuel system with the same regulator I had.





After seeing the tunnel wedge might be a go with the clearance, I pulled the trigger on a Trick Flow unit. The Dove tunnel wedge I had I felt was going to be too big for my 390, so that's why I got the Trick Flow. A little comparison with the Dove and TFS. The TFS is a beautiful casting and is definitely a smaller volume than the Dove.




Then, I picked up a new set of carbs and began to figure out the fuel system and linkage.




I also had to drill a new hole and tap for my fuel pressure sensor in the regulator. I could've run it to the outside, but having it in by the linkage and under the air cleaner will look much better and be hidden almost completely.






The air cleaner with base trimmed down:






I also noticed the base of the Blue Thunder had oversized holes for the carbs. It is a very loose fit over the carbs. So I got some aluminum square stock and bent it around and fit it in. After I was happy with it, they were welded in place.

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« Reply #82 on: September 11, 2023, 09:32:05 PM »
I also wanted to try something different on the linkage. I got a replacement 2x4 linkage kit and mocked it up. I wasn't quite satisfied how it looked and fit with my fuel regulator and lines, so I decided to try and make something. I have a simple threaded rod with rod ends going to both primaries on the pass. side for 1:1 linkage. Easy. I added nut serts to the linkage arm so I don't have to fiddle with fishing nuts on the back side while servicing.




Now, I had to come up with something to actuate the driver side from the firewall rod. I didn't like the first attempt, so I tried again. I took a piece of secondary bracket that has the slotted hole and trimmed the outside down. I bent a piece of flat stock and welded the two together and smoothed it off. I then welded a 1/4" fine thread Allen bolt from the back side of the lever. Again, so I don't have to fiddle in the car with a nut and bolt. I will have another threaded rod with rod ends that connects the firewall rod the the primary lever. I just have to slide it over the "stud" and install a lock nut. I also had to come up with a solution for a return spring setup. So this is what it looks like:





I gave the bracket a more finished look.


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« Reply #83 on: September 11, 2023, 09:34:11 PM »
Awesome job!

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« Reply #84 on: September 11, 2023, 09:41:28 PM »
Back to the tunnel wedge......I mocked it up and had to have .030" cut off both intake faces and both valve cover rails needed a trim as well. Lined up pretty well after that.





Pushrod holes needed some clearancing.



After that, I gave it a port matched to the heads:










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« Reply #85 on: September 11, 2023, 09:42:24 PM »
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« Reply #86 on: September 11, 2023, 09:52:46 PM »
Now the intake is ready for a little paint...




Ready for final install.







Adding a few more bits.





Installed Jay's covers for pre-oil check.




Was nervous whether my highly modified oil pump would sink or swim.....Whew...


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« Reply #87 on: September 11, 2023, 10:01:41 PM »
And that pretty much brings us to where it is today. Installed on the test stand last Fri. afternoon.





I have another set of carbs that I built from scratch for this that are highly modified. Too tired to post all that right now....
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« Reply #88 on: September 11, 2023, 10:59:36 PM »
Very nice a lot of attention to detail. Looks great.

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« Reply #89 on: September 12, 2023, 12:46:35 AM »
Someone has a lot of time on their hands, looks great!

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« Reply #90 on: September 12, 2023, 09:04:14 AM »
Outstanding job, Jared, your attention to detail and your thought process for making the modifications is something we should all strive for.  Can't wait to see it in the car!
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« Reply #91 on: September 12, 2023, 10:51:48 AM »
Fantastic work, Jared. You and Keith (fekbmax) take it to the next level with your attention to detail. I really hope you're satisfied with the results when you get to drive it and get some tuning done.

Just curious, what's the thought process on the external bypass for the oil pump? Once you get any bugs worked out and are satisfied that it's dependable, do you have any hopes for a drag & drive event, or just street and strip miles?
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« Reply #92 on: September 12, 2023, 04:01:41 PM »
Very nice eye candy Jared!  I too am impressed with your attention to detail.  It will be interesting to see how that external oil pump bypass works out.  It should eliminate the oil aeration problem of the internal bypass.

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« Reply #93 on: September 12, 2023, 04:37:01 PM »
Which engineering field do you get paid to create in. Whew!

Which logging system does that fuel psi sensor work with?

Nice stuff man.
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« Reply #94 on: September 12, 2023, 09:03:53 PM »
Thank you gentlemen for the kind words. It means a lot. :)  Jay, you're being way too kind. I wouldn't give me THAT much credit. ;D


Fantastic work, Jared. You and Keith (fekbmax) take it to the next level with your attention to detail. I really hope you're satisfied with the results when you get to drive it and get some tuning done.

Just curious, what's the thought process on the external bypass for the oil pump? Once you get any bugs worked out and are satisfied that it's dependable, do you have any hopes for a drag & drive event, or just street and strip miles?


Thanks Doug. I agree, Mr. Keith does very nice work. As Mr. Bill alluded to, one of the main benefits of the external bypass is to help eliminate possible aeration. It can also help to reduce oil temp. slightly. If the Drag-n-Drive route comes close, I may consider it. For now, street/strip. I have a 4.86 gear in the car now, but I feel it will want more. I already have a 5.14 waiting on the sideline.
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« Reply #95 on: September 12, 2023, 09:12:57 PM »
Which engineering field do you get paid to create in. Whew!

Which logging system does that fuel psi sensor work with?

Nice stuff man.


Jim, I'm self-sufficient. ;D I do this for a hobby like most of us here. The fuel pressure sensor is for my AutoMeter gauge. I went with the electric fuel pressure and water temp gauges because it is a little cleaner install and that way I could get around having an isolator for the fuel pressure, since the gauges are mounted in the car. I went with mechanical for oil pressure, just because I thought it was a better option for oil press. I run -4AN line to eliminate bubbles in the line and false reading.
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« Reply #96 on: September 13, 2023, 05:45:45 AM »

Same windage tray and scraper as before.





Interesting. I use similar screen and I had to cut a piece out to get the stick to fit.
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« Reply #97 on: September 14, 2023, 04:38:57 PM »
I just read through all this, very nice work! Engine sounds great on the stand.
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« Reply #98 on: September 14, 2023, 07:43:01 PM »
Thank you, Howie and Mike. Howie, I believe I made a slight trim for the dipstick but can't remember...
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« Reply #99 on: September 15, 2023, 04:03:49 AM »
After looking at this post I realize just how lazy I am !!!Doug

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« Reply #100 on: September 24, 2023, 08:22:18 PM »
I have two sets of carbs to try on this engine. Well, 3 if I want to throw some extra stuff together. For now, I have a set of "550" cfm carbs spec'd for this combo by Allstate. They started with 600 vacuums and converted to mech. secondaries. They installed some of their straight leg skirted annular boosters. They figure the real estate the new boosters takes up makes them closer to 550 cfm.

Anyway, I decided I also wanted to try and make a set of my own. I was thinking of a high flow 650-ish cfm vacuum. So, I started with two new replacement main bodies from Holley. They are 1 1/4", 1 5/16" venturi. I noticed when setting the base gasket on or even the baseplate that the venturi was small up until the last 1/4" before the base. It has two flares at the bottom to go out to the 1 11/16" throttle bore size.



I also wanted to install some different boosters to replace the generic straight legs. So I knocked those out and now I can also deburr and blend the entry into the venturi.




I was very careful to leave the entry size the same. I found a socket that was exactly 1 1/4" and another that was 1 5/16" OD. That was my "gauge". I decide to port them to the full 1 11/16" size to match the baseplate perfectly. I spent a good couple days whittling away. I used a small metal ruler as a straight edge to make sure it was a consistent taper from entry to exit. I used sharpie near the entry, so I knew if the grinder was getting close so I could keep the entry the original size.






I decided on trying some fancy threaded annular down leg boosters.




I got some new replacement HP metering blocks and removed the IFR from the upper location and installed some 6-32 restrictors in the lower position. I also tapped behind the power valve for 4-40 restrictors.



I had my machinist put the main bodies in the Bridgeport to counterbore for the tapered nuts on the threaded boosters. Here is a test fit.

 

One thing I noticed is after porting, the casting became very thin near the center. I was afraid the gasket would not seal there, so I filled the center with JB weld and trued the surface.



After I re-installed the boosters, I surfaced the other sides to take any warpage out and make sure the nuts and boosters were not proud of the surface. The sides were nicely warped out of the box....





I am using Quick Fuel jet plates on the secondary. I did have to notch the floats and reseal them with epoxy. The floats are nitrophyl.



I installed some billet baseplates and also swapped out the primary shafts for the original Ford style arms.





These are some oddball carbs and didn't know what else to call them.



A couple pics installed and ready to run.





So last night I decided to try them out, but it didn't go so well. It idled very high and was lean and wanted to die after a rev. Now, I just ASSUMED it would want a little bypass, so I drilled the butterflies from the start. WRONG. I had the throttle plates completely closed on both carbs front and back and the mixture screws rich and it still idled at 1500 and was a sack of potatoes. So I figured I better change the throttle plates. This morning I dug out a new set of spare baseplates for a 660 that I could rob the blades from. Swapped them out and fired it back up after lunch. I was happy to see it was running like a top now. Idles well down to around 1200 or so where it's happy and mixture screws are where they should be. Revs nice after swapping in some 35 squirters and comes right back to an idle without stumble or dying like before.

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Now that both sets of carbs are fairly sorted out, I feel ready to drop it back in the car. I think I left out a bunch of details, but that's the gist of it.
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« Reply #101 on: October 28, 2023, 08:49:09 PM »
Picking up where I left off with a minor update. Engine has been in the car for about a month now. Finished up the loose ends. Weather has not been cooperating lately, so I figured last weekend I would clean off the 3yrs of accumulated dust and picked up a buffer and gave it a little polish. Paint looks okay for 39 yr old lacquer but is showing some age in places. Here's the engine installed:








I found an ink stamp for the alternator, so I made the powermaster unit look a little more original.



Weather has been awful lately, but today it cleared off and made it to a whopping 47degrees. I managed a couple shake down runs today to test the new ring and pinion, new clutch, new front and rear tires, and new engine to seat the rings under load. I turned the electric fan controller up high to let the engine get some more heat in the cool weather, but the hottest it would get is 170°. Carbs need some fine tuning and a couple very minor things to address, but overall a success. Finally outside again:




Will have to wait till spring to get to the track. Tomorrow is the last day our track is open. Oh well, there's other stuff to do until then...
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« Reply #102 on: October 28, 2023, 11:22:37 PM »
Looks fantastic Jared!  The ink stamp is a nice detail  :D
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« Reply #103 on: October 29, 2023, 02:41:00 AM »
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« Reply #104 on: October 29, 2023, 11:12:10 AM »
Jared, Quick Fuel might be hiring. You could be in charge of product development.

Warped main bodies out of the box, there is something right there you could make sure doesn’t happen, ( I know they are Holley parts but Quick Fuels might be prone to it also).

I suppose you made the tuned exhaust collectors also?

Nice work as usual.
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« Reply #105 on: October 29, 2023, 07:40:30 PM »
Thank you Bill and Heo for the kind words. Much appreciated.


Jared, Quick Fuel might be hiring. You could be in charge of product development.

Warped main bodies out of the box, there is something right there you could make sure doesn’t happen, ( I know they are Holley parts but Quick Fuels might be prone to it also).

I suppose you made the tuned exhaust collectors also?

Nice work as usual.


Thanks Jim. The headers are Mad Dog 2" and the same collectors as before. The collectors were spec'd by someone much smarter than me for this combo and were made by REF. They have an O2 bung on each side in case I ever want to go efi or to just check AFR and they were made with a v band to connect to the exhaust for street duty.
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« Reply #106 on: November 14, 2023, 12:43:31 AM »
Well, as they say, nothing lasts forever. The weather was nice on the 4th and I decided to get the car back out. I swapped my home brew carbs on the night before. I got it running and checked a few things over and took it out for a drive. Cruising around felt pretty decent. Made a few scenic trips to put some miles on. Everything seemed okay. I figured it was about time for a performance evaluation. I headed over to a local test spot(in Mexico) and tried to make a hit. I let the clutch fly at about 6200 and ran in through 2nd and 3rd shifting between 78-8000 and ran it halfway through 4th. Seemed very strong. Came up to the stop sign and took a left and jumped on it a little more, when all the sudden......Smoke rolling from the valve covers(hood is still off). Hmmm. Thought maybe a gasket or something started throwing some oil? Then I hear a faint tapping sound.  Nah, can't be. Well, I make it to the next turn and the tap turns into a knock. I look down at the oil press. gauge and it's not happy with me. Sinking like a lead balloon. Uh oh. I'm only 1/2 mi. from home. Tried to go real easy, but the knock was loud and it felt like it was losing power. I shut it off and pulled over. I called a friend from down the street for a tow home. Looked around on the engine and nothing out of place, everything is dry. Get it pushed back in the garage and let it cool off. Pull the valve covers and see this:

A little milky.....


Then I check the radiator and it's down some. Great. Figure I might as well cut the filter. As soon as I pull the filter I'm greeted with this




Cut it open to find plenty more where that came from.




So, I blew it off and worked on something else the next day. Grabbed my borescope and coolant pressure tester from work and checked it out more last Fri. I pulled all the plugs. Nothing too obvious. Started looking in cylinders and got to #7. Huh, looks like a small puddle at the bottom of the cylinder. I pressurize the water and it starts filling up fast!

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On the left side of the screen, you can kind of make out the valve reliefs on the piston. And a bunch of water on the right! Half the piston is submerged. I figured it better come apart so things don't get rusted inside. Pulled the engine out yesterday and got started on the autopsy. Once I got the head off, I found the obvious cause:



The knock:



The cylinder has a pretty long crack.


The big end on #7 rod is pretty ugly. Don't think it can be re-sized, so prolly need a new one. Luckily the damage was very isolated. Every other journal looks like it never ran, like I just assembled it. I think the coating on the bearings and a good oil additive helped me out. Looks like the crank can be turned on just the rods. Cam still looks like chrome from polishing. Can barely see where the lifters were riding.



Crank still nice and shiny.


Haven't gotten the oil pump apart yet, but hoping the aluminum bearings did minimal damage. I guess it could have been a lot worse. It was a one hit wonder. Butt dyno said it was making every bit of the 335hp factory rating when it let go.
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« Reply #107 on: November 14, 2023, 01:15:47 AM »
Oh man!  I'd say you did get away fairly lightly though.  That could have gotten a lot uglier pretty quickly  :(

Put another quarter in and hit the Start button!  I think most of us have been there in one form or another.  Sorry to see that un-shiny area on that pretty crank!
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« Reply #108 on: November 14, 2023, 01:53:33 AM »
Oh no, after all the nice work you put in to that engine :o :'(



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Re: Putting A Little Pep In My 390's Step
« Reply #109 on: November 14, 2023, 07:10:08 AM »
Sometimes you do everything as perfectly as you can and things happen that are just out of your control.  Makes you want to puke.
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« Reply #110 on: November 14, 2023, 10:04:32 AM »
Damn shame.
Been "there" and it hurts...
Failure analysis can be very challenging.

Look VERY carefully at the head gasket.  Take a mic to the areas around that cylinder to check for clamp load and look for deformation around the bore compared to the other openings.  Check piston to see if it clamped the second ring tight.  I have had a head gasket do some considerable damage in the past.  If it leaks coolant it can cause the cylinder wall to split since water does not compress.  Starts a daisy chain of failures.

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Re: Putting A Little Pep In My 390's Step
« Reply #111 on: November 14, 2023, 10:10:02 AM »
Man, not happy to see this. What was the sonic beef number on the cracked side of number 7? Or is the thickness moot as the unhappy rod caused the piston to crack the wall?

Was there a typo on 335? There must be at least 535 with the parts you have in that mill.

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« Reply #112 on: November 14, 2023, 01:23:26 PM »
Look VERY carefully at the head gasket.  Take a mic to the areas around that cylinder to check for clamp load and look for deformation around the bore compared to the other openings.  Check piston to see if it clamped the second ring tight.  I have had a head gasket do some considerable damage in the past.  If it leaks coolant it can cause the cylinder wall to split since water does not compress.  Starts a daisy chain of failures.


I did take a good look-see at the head gasket. No visible issue at the fire ring or water ports. Head was welded pretty good with the copper coat. I haven't mic'd the ring yet, but don't suspect a problem there. I will look. Rings were still nice and free. The piston barely dinged the chamber when the bearing gained clearance. Very small mark that will rub right off. No sign of detonation or pre-ignition on the plug or piston. My gut right now is telling me that cylinder just didn't want to play any more.
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Re: Putting A Little Pep In My 390's Step
« Reply #113 on: November 14, 2023, 01:31:14 PM »
Man, not happy to see this. What was the sonic beef number on the cracked side of number 7? Or is the thickness moot as the unhappy rod caused the piston to crack the wall?

Was there a typo on 335? There must be at least 535 with the parts you have in that mill.

Sucks


I have to recheck, but 2, 4, 5, and 8 had sleeves already from the first go. I checked the others myself after it was bored .035" over and as I recall, the thinnest point was .135" at the bottom of a cyl. on a non-thrust. Average was .140-.150". The 335hp twas a tid bit of sarcasm. The last time it was together it went 123.5mph @ 3650lbs with a strong head wind. I'd be disappointed if this time it was only making 535. Maybe I'll dyno the next time for a hard number. We'll see.

Everything was fine the weekend prior. Oil was still clean, water was full, etc. Happened all the sudden when it was spun up.
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« Reply #114 on: November 14, 2023, 06:39:25 PM »
It’s been awhile but was that an 11.1 pass? If so Wallace calculators formulates 537 flywheel hp. Not an exact science of course and the headwind certainly skews it.

Minimum .130-140 on major thrust sides sounds comfortable
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« Reply #115 on: November 14, 2023, 07:21:15 PM »
Just curious, was the "7800-8000 RPM" a misprint? Short of a NHRA Super Stocker, or very high end build, that seems like an awful lot of RPM!  And to think I don`t even like going 6500 RPM.
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« Reply #116 on: November 14, 2023, 09:03:39 PM »
It’s been awhile but was that an 11.1 pass? 


It was an 11.22. It was the 2nd time to the track with new adjustable rear shocks, less than ideal 50/50's on the front because a new 90/10 failed, and other suspension adjustments to make. So my 60ft was terrible. Ideally, it would have run 10.7 at that mph, but I feel there was more left in it between launch and head wind.

Just curious, was the "7800-8000 RPM" a misprint? Short of a NHRA Super Stocker, or very high end build, that seems like an awful lot of RPM!  And to think I don`t even like going 6500 RPM.


No typo. It has a lot of attention to detail, good clearances, and a healthy stick for a 390 cube engine. Duration is 270+. Of course, the tunnel wedge doesn't mind breathing a little more than a dual plane either. I shifted the last iteration at 7500 comfortably.  Never felt it nose over.
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« Reply #117 on: November 14, 2023, 09:14:08 PM »
I was able to inspect the deck and head gasket a little more tonight. No sign of compression leaking anywhere on the deck or head. Fire ring on the gasket was checked with a micrometer in at least a dozen or more locations. Variance was only .001" total. Even right across from the water ports. Here's the deck:









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Re: Putting A Little Pep In My 390's Step
« Reply #118 on: November 14, 2023, 11:27:05 PM »
Damb sorry to see this. Going through all the work you put into it it’s hard to swallow. It could have been a lot worse good thing you shut it off.

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Re: Putting A Little Pep In My 390's Step
« Reply #119 on: November 15, 2023, 07:05:05 AM »
Well - that don't look too bad.  Can probably rule out the gasket.
Wish I had better ideas but starting to look like a sh!t happens" sort of deal...

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« Reply #120 on: November 16, 2023, 02:02:59 PM »
Sorry for your loss... looks like you went above and beyond on the build, very meticulous and detailed. You did a good job for sure. I guess it is a crap shoot on blocks, you just never know even with good sonic numbers. I was curious what paint you used on the tunnel wedge, it looks good. Hard to find decent "aluminum" paint, that has the right "sheen" to it. Seems it is either too dull or too shiny and/or the wrong color. I like cast-blast for iron, but the aluma-blast just doesn't look as good to me. I have tried a few other brands/colors of aluminum, but nothing I like.
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« Reply #121 on: November 16, 2023, 09:09:06 PM »
Thanks, Thor. The paint is Duplicolor cast coat aluminum # DE1650. I was using Rustoleum "professional" aluminum enamel before, but it started getting very inconsistent. One can would be a nice aluminum color and the next would look like a real bright silver like the fake chrome spray paint. I kept going back to the store to get some more, but cans were more "chrome" than aluminum, so I gave up on that color. This was the first I've used this color, but it isn't too bad looking.
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« Reply #122 on: November 17, 2023, 09:49:14 AM »
We use the same Duplicolor often.  I like the results when I stand back a bit and dry spray "fog" it on from a distance of 18" or so.

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Re: Putting A Little Pep In My 390's Step
« Reply #123 on: November 19, 2023, 06:06:32 AM »
Bummer. With 4 sleeves already are you going to sleeve this hole?
Maybe hard block?

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« Reply #124 on: November 19, 2023, 10:31:15 PM »
Bummer. With 4 sleeves already are you going to sleeve this hole?
Maybe hard block?


I'm weighing options at the moment. Whichever way I decide, I don't think it'll need hard block.
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« Reply #125 on: March 12, 2024, 03:42:45 PM »
On page 8 you said you never felt it nose over…. FE engines never do…do they? 😀 My 390 seems to run clean off the end of the camshaft and is still pulling… seriously no inside paint anymore.  I’m building a HP diesel and was considering it… you must not like what u saw… elaborate plz


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« Reply #126 on: March 13, 2024, 08:42:53 AM »
Thanks, Thor. The paint is Duplicolor cast coat aluminum # DE1650. I was using Rustoleum "professional" aluminum enamel before, but it started getting very inconsistent. One can would be a nice aluminum color and the next would look like a real bright silver like the fake chrome spray paint. I kept going back to the store to get some more, but cans were more "chrome" than aluminum, so I gave up on that color. This was the first I've used this color, but it isn't too bad looking.

Ever tried this? I've always used the cast-blast for cast iron look and alumi-blast for intake manifolds.
https://www.seymourpaint.com/product/ca16-55-seymour-alumi-blast-specialty-coating-with-aluminum-paste-inside-the-can-12-oz/
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Re: Putting A Little Pep In My 390's Step
« Reply #127 on: March 13, 2024, 12:30:15 PM »
seriously no inside paint anymore.  I’m building a HP diesel and was considering it… you must not like what u saw… elaborate plz


I saw some starting to come off in the oil pan when it came off. I did try to scuff the pan some before applying it and I did cure it afterward. The other engine parts looked fine yet, just the oil pan. It was a zinc plated Milodon pan. Sandblasting would be best if doing it again. Oh well.


Mike, yes I've used it before. I don't know if I had a couple bum cans or not, but I was noticing some fine "texture" particles coming out with the paint a d resulted in a slightly bumpy finish. I didn't quit care for it.


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