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Re: Another Guess the HP thread - 428 Street Motor
« Reply #15 on: February 26, 2019, 04:31:53 AM »
470 hp and 525 torque on 110.

465 hp and 520 torque on 91.

My limited experience says that using high octane fuel in a relatively low compression engine can lead to the optimum total ignition timing being very high.   I am curious if you kept adding timing until the power fell off with the 110 gas?

Sounds like a really good combo that will be super torquey and fun to drive, assuming the octane is high enough for an aggressive timing curve.

JMO,

paulie

edit:  Oh yeah, I have no idea on idle vacuum.  12"?
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Re: Another Guess the HP thread - 428 Street Motor
« Reply #16 on: February 26, 2019, 04:57:31 AM »
Nice low maint: car cruise engine definitely and 10.9 cr will give it some pop. That intake, thinking helps add to a fairly flat torque curve.  Not real sure it needs that much carb, 750 should work well.
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        441hp at 5500 = 462tq at 3450 on 93 octane
        456hp at 5550 = 489tq at 3550 on 110 octane
        230 @ .050 maybe 14in
   Thru rpms in to test myself. I learn so much how parts interact from these games. hahaha

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Re: Another Guess the HP thread - 428 Street Motor
« Reply #17 on: February 26, 2019, 11:58:16 AM »
481 TQ @ 3950
447 HP @ 5250
Both on 91

Idle Vacuum at 12.5

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Re: Another Guess the HP thread - 428 Street Motor
« Reply #18 on: February 26, 2019, 12:07:56 PM »
So what's the prize, Jay?  A free Cammer?
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Re: Another Guess the HP thread - 428 Street Motor
« Reply #19 on: February 26, 2019, 12:51:47 PM »
You're dreamin' buddy  ;D  The prize is the FElony's admiration and respect  ;D ;D
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Re: Another Guess the HP thread - 428 Street Motor
« Reply #20 on: February 26, 2019, 01:03:08 PM »
Put me in for 2 of those Jay. ;) :o 8). Just playin.
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Re: Another Guess the HP thread - 428 Street Motor
« Reply #21 on: February 26, 2019, 01:10:29 PM »
You're dreamin' buddy  ;D  The prize is the FElony's admiration and respect  ;D ;D

Oh.   In that case, 1268 hp, 850 lb-ft.
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Re: Another Guess the HP thread - 428 Street Motor
« Reply #22 on: February 26, 2019, 01:27:13 PM »
You're dreamin' buddy  ;D  The prize is the FElony's admiration and respect  ;D ;D

The joke here is you thinking I have any of the traits possessed by you puny earthlings.


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Re: Another Guess the HP thread - 428 Street Motor
« Reply #23 on: February 26, 2019, 01:39:41 PM »
91 octane 415 hp 460 tq
110 octane 425 hp 475 tq
11.5 inches vacuum

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Re: Another Guess the HP thread - 428 Street Motor
« Reply #24 on: February 26, 2019, 02:00:32 PM »
500 HP @ 5200
475 TQ @ 3500
12" vacuum

On pump gas.  Don't care about race gas results.

If some two bit magazine can get 500 HP from a 390 with Edelbrock stuff (back when the heads were introduced), then I'm not understanding all the low-ball guesses.
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Re: Another Guess the HP thread - 428 Street Motor
« Reply #25 on: February 26, 2019, 03:11:16 PM »
465hp @ 5400
500ftlbs @ 4000

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Re: Another Guess the HP thread - 428 Street Motor
« Reply #26 on: February 26, 2019, 08:43:30 PM »
You're dreamin' buddy  ;D  The prize is the FElony's admiration and respect  ;D ;D

Oh.   In that case, 1268 hp, 850 lb-ft.

LMAO!! I really wish I hadn't taken a drink before reading that!
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Re: Another Guess the HP thread - 428 Street Motor
« Reply #27 on: February 26, 2019, 09:03:06 PM »
You're dreamin' buddy  ;D  The prize is the FElony's admiration and respect  ;D ;D

Oh.   In that case, 1268 hp, 850 lb-ft.

LMAO!! I really wish I hadn't taken a drink before reading that!

Likewise. I gotta admit, someone who takes that extra step to sidestep me is damn realistic. And reputable. Even if it means losing access to mountains of Cleveland parts I have no use for. No biggie.   ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Another Guess the HP thread - 428 Street Motor
« Reply #28 on: February 26, 2019, 09:04:15 PM »
And here are the results:

Race Gas:  505.8 lb-ft @ 4100 RPM, 455.4 HP @ 5200 RPM

91 Octane, 10% Ethanol Pump Gas:  507.2 lb-ft @ 3700 RPM, 444.2 HP @ 5000 RPM

Manifold vacuum at 850 RPM averaged 11.5 inches, which should be sufficient for power brakes.

I was very pleased with the performance of this engine, especially the torque.  I ran some of the first tests down at 2500 RPM, and even there it was making over 400 lb-ft.  It has a really nice, wide torque band, and should make a great street motor. 

Best race gas results were obtained with the 1" Super Sucker installed, and 34 degrees total timing.  The Super Sucker didn't provide a big advantage though, less than 1 HP on average.  The timing was increased in 2 degree increments from 30 degrees up to 36 degrees during the tests.  No change was observed between 34 and 36 degrees, so the timing was backed down to 34 degrees for most of the race gas testing.  Jetting for the 800 Holley settled at 71s in the primary, and 81s in the secondary. 

Best pump gas results were obtained with the 4 hole spacer, but due to the insignificant difference with the Super Sucker on race gas, the Super Sucker was not tested with the pump gas setup.  Timing was again optimized for the pump gas setup, and this time 32 degrees total turned out to be optimum.  Jetting remained the same as for pump gas, and the engine ran a bit leaner on A/F, but still in the 12.5:1 to 13:1 range.


Here are the two dyno plots for the best race gas and pump gas pulls:






Also, here is the Super Sucker vs. 4 Hole spacer on race gas:




I had installed beehive springs on this engine in the hopes of improving the RPM range of the hydraulic roller lifters.  It didn't seem to have too much of an effect at first, and early on I saw the typical hydraulic lifter tipover at around 5300 RPM on this engine; the graph below shows one pull where it was quite pronounced.  The green tangent lines added to the graph show the discontinuity in power output that is typical of this issue:




What I noticed, though, was that as the oil temperature continued to increase during the dyno session, this issue became less pronounced.  You can't really see it too much in the best race gas pull, and the it seems to be altogether absent except for possibly the last data point on the best pump gas pull.  By this time the oil temp had gone past 200 degrees.  I was running Valvoline VR1 10W-30 in this engine, and had the lifter preload adjusted per Morel's specifications, so I don't think there was much more that could be done.  Me, I'm sticking with solids  ;D

Since I dynoed this engine alone I was not able to take a video of it running on the stand.  However, the dyno software has a playback mode, so I took a video of my computer screen on a playback of the race gas pull and posted it on you tube at the link below. 

https://youtu.be/s-eTZWzRNmo

By the way, this video has been on my you tube channel for the last 24 hours.  One of you could have looked there, and nailed the answer LOL!

As mentioned in my first post, there was nearly a zero weather correction for this engine, due to the 45 degree air entering the engine and the relatively high barometer, and low humidity.  Raw HP and torque numbers were 509.8 and 458.8 on race gas, and 511.0 and 447.5 on pump gas.  You don't see the raw numbers higher than the corrected numbers very often...
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- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC

   

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Re: Another Guess the HP thread - 428 Street Motor
« Reply #29 on: February 26, 2019, 09:10:12 PM »
Looks like fastf67 wins the HP prize, and cjshaker wins the torque prize.  Chilly also guessed 500 for torque, and was really close on the RPM, but cjshaker guessed 500 first, so I had to give it to him.  Great job, guys!  You may collect your accolades from FElony. :o

Also, FElony wins the Out-Of-Bounds prize, and Lykins wins the Hopelessly Optimistic prize. ???
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Jay Brown
- 1969 Mach 1, Drag Week 2005 Winner NA/BB, 511" FE (10.60s @ 129); Drag Week 2007 Runner-Up PA/BB, 490" Supercharged FE (9.35 @ 151)
- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC