Author Topic: NOS BJ/BK floats and choke assembly... (Read 5500 times)

cjshaker · « **on:** December 06, 2018, 09:01:54 PM »

No longer for sale

johnvermeersch501 · « **Reply #1 on:** December 10, 2018, 08:46:13 PM »

These parts are NOT NOS BJ/BK . The correct pieces would be Non- electric choke, AUTOLITE casting ( not Holley). I believe these may be same as Carls Ford Parts replacement carbs that he had made several years ago

Drew Pojedinec · « **Reply #2 on:** December 10, 2018, 09:54:14 PM »

John, I know the original early bk/bj had the large brass floats, but did the later 65-66 series have them as well?
Only late ones I’ve done have had replacement floats in them.

Thanks

cjshaker · « **Reply #3 on:** December 10, 2018, 10:19:16 PM »

With all due respect, John, these are NOT from Carls Ford Parts reproduction carbs. These were taken off of an original set of in the box, correctly ink stamped carbs. I have a set of reproduction carbs, and they are NOT ink stamped, nor were they even being produced when I bought THESE carbs. Maybe they were some sort of replacement carbs, I don't know because I didn't check the date of manufacture. And perhaps you should KNOW and be able to produce proof before you accuse me of trying to pass off reproduction parts? Nice way to make your first post on the forum, sir.

cjshaker · « **Reply #4 on:** December 10, 2018, 11:35:29 PM »

This is a picture I took of the NOS carbs and NOS Medium Riser intake that I bought as a package deal over 25 years ago. The picture is over 25 years old and was taken on a standard camera (pre-cell phone) and then scanned to computer several years ago. To my knowledge, Carl was not even reproducing these carbs yet. I sold the intake probably 15 years ago, and kept the carbs to use, and still use them. Unfortunately, the picture is not good enough quality to see the details on the box, but the ink stampings are clearly visible.

Drew Pojedinec · « **Reply #5 on:** December 11, 2018, 07:12:33 AM »

Those bk/bj don’t seem to have the bowls vents, what is the date code on them?

cjshaker · « **Reply #6 on:** December 11, 2018, 09:01:40 AM »

Drew, I don't know the date code, and it's 15* in the garage, so too cold to go out and start taking things apart to look.
At this point, I'm just going to end this. The parts are no longer for sale.

gt350hr · « **Reply #7 on:** December 11, 2018, 10:46:14 AM »

Doug ,
It's obvious they are NOS but they are most likely "service parts". The bowl vent Drew mentions is not there. That vent was on all assembly line carburetors through '67. Your carburetors are VERY different than those "contract" carburetors made for Carls. A date check as has been suggested would clarify things for all.
Randy

johnvermeersch501 · « **Reply #8 on:** December 11, 2018, 11:04:56 AM »

Doug, dont get your britches in a knot, never "accused" you of anything, simply making the point that these are NOT NOS Ford. Holley has made that carb for years, the choke cap you showed was not a Ford part and such that if somebody purchased it for a "correct" 63/64 restoration, as a senior Galaxie judge, I would shoot it down, or if anybody called the Ford Technical Service Hotline asking to verify the application, we would have told them "non-Ford"

cjshaker · « **Reply #9 on:** December 11, 2018, 11:50:28 AM »

John, they may not be correct for a concours restoration, I'm no concours expert, but they are in fact NOS Ford. Maybe you should look up the definition. A 40 year old replacement part is still NOS if it is unused, in the box. You said they could be from the reproductions, which they are not. Next time you jump in on somebodys ad, maybe you should not make assumptions without facts to back it up.

Randy, thanks for the input. I'm guessing you're right, that they are service replacements. I removed the ad because I didn't want anyone thinking I was trying to mislead them. I'm just not a "numbers" guy.

johnvermeersch501 · « **Reply #10 on:** December 11, 2018, 02:30:51 PM »

Doug, you are correct, NOS = never used, BUT what assumptions did I use ? the part clearly says HOLLEY, not Autolite,as an original, Ford tagged,part would have for I.D.. They are service parts, direct from Holley, not OEM, BJ /BK pieces, and will work fine, no need to take them off the market... I guess I should not try to supply correct information to people that have all the answers already

cjshaker · « **Reply #11 on:** December 11, 2018, 02:45:40 PM »

Quote from: johnvermeersch501 on December 11, 2018, 02:30:51 PM

Doug, you are correct, NOS = never used, BUT what assumptions did I use ? the part clearly says HOLLEY, not Autolite,as an original, Ford tagged,part would have for I.D.. They are service parts, direct from Holley, not OEM, BJ /BK pieces, and will work fine, no need to take them off the market... I guess I should not try to supply correct information to people that have all the answers already

"I believe these may be from Carls Ford Parts replacement carbs that he had made several years ago"
Really? What assumption did you make? A 5th grader could point this out.
Point being, you could have actually helped me identify them, like Randy did, instead of just blasting my ad as being wrong, then assumed something that wasn't correct. But hey, you are never wrong.

gt350hr · « **Reply #12 on:** December 11, 2018, 03:05:53 PM »

John,
The only part that said Autolite on BJ BK carbs was the part number tag and that was ONLY on those produced in '65. The '63,4,5s had FoMoCo tags on them. I didn't see the original pics that you must have . What item are you saying should say Autolite???
Randy

Drew Pojedinec · « **Reply #13 on:** December 11, 2018, 03:52:33 PM »

Sorry if my questions seemed rude.
More of a student just interested in learning the details of early 60’s Ford carbs.
My questions were inappropriate to ask in a for sale ad.

johnvermeersch501 · « **Reply #14 on:** December 11, 2018, 09:30:04 PM »

Randy, yes, the green tags had Autolite stamped in them,but didnt the choke cover have a raised Autolite casted on it ? I may be thinking of the 4100 carb, but then Doug says I'm never wrong ?

cjshaker · « **Reply #15 on:** December 12, 2018, 09:02:16 AM »

Quote from: Drew Pojedinec on December 11, 2018, 03:52:33 PM

Sorry if my questions seemed rude.
More of a student just interested in learning the details of early 60’s Ford carbs.
My questions were inappropriate to ask in a for sale ad.

Drew, nothing inappropriate about what you asked. When I get a chance, I'll get the date codes off of them and let you know. That would probably help in identifying the parts more correctly.

gt350hr · « **Reply #16 on:** December 12, 2018, 11:01:14 AM »

Quote from: johnvermeersch501 on December 11, 2018, 09:30:04 PM

Randy, yes, the green tags had Autolite stamped in them,but didnt the choke cover have a raised Autolite casted on it ? I may be thinking of the 4100 carb, but then Doug says I'm never wrong ?

NO John the choke covers were "regular" Holley. The "flat top" Autolite 4100 carbs did have Autolite on them. The Autolite choke cap is wider than a Holley and IIRC it won't engage the bi metallic spring. Nothing on a Holley said Autolite as I said before except the tags. In Dougs case the tags would be natural aluminum not green like assembly line carbs were. ( and only "some" of those).
Randy

cjshaker · « **Reply #17 on:** December 13, 2018, 09:16:20 AM »

I'm only posting this picture for Drew.

In the 2 o'clock position, you can see a small 'pointed insert' in the outer ring of the housing that helps identify the lean/rich position on the choke adjustment. I have only seen this on a few vintage Ford carbs, and most certainly NOT on any of the reproductions, or any standard production Holley for that matter. Have you seen this indicator on any of the vintage carbs that you've come across?

The date codes are both the same at 842. I don't know when the BJ/BK carbs were stopped being used in production cars. Maybe this is of some use to you?

gt350hr · « **Reply #18 on:** December 13, 2018, 11:43:41 AM »

Doug I have owned "service" BJ/BKs dated 1970. Yours are obviously '68 as service replacements for their last use , the '67 GT500s.
Randy

Heo · « **Reply #19 on:** December 13, 2018, 04:34:36 PM »

A question those inkstamps and float chamber ventilation is i
a Ford only thing? beacuse there have passen a few of them
through my hand during the year

Drew Pojedinec · « **Reply #20 on:** December 13, 2018, 05:58:42 PM »

Fascinating. Just really late over the counter replacements.
Very cool and much appreciated.
That would explain the “some new, some old” situation.

Carl’s carbs don’t have date codes.

And no, I normally don’t see the choke cap like that. But I find super crappy cores most of the time, typically the caps are broken, missing or had been replaced.

gt350hr · « **Reply #21 on:** December 14, 2018, 12:40:48 PM »

Heo,
"Back in the day" Holley used ink stamped numbers and letters in their manufacturing processes. It wass not a Ford specific thing. Now that Holley has had SO many ownership changes , those practices have gone by the wayside. lack of stampings is another indicator of a "modern" carb versus an older one. The stampings come into play for those chasing originality ( concours) more than anyone else.
Randy

Heo · « **Reply #22 on:** December 14, 2018, 01:32:54 PM »

OK Randy, i just noted somewhere back in my head some carbs with
inkstamp and some with that floatbowl ventilation with that rubber
"seal" but never reflected why some had it and some dont
so i thought now if that was bj/bk specific. Although i doubt
there is a lot of BJ/BK carbs that found its way to Sweden

cjshaker · « **Reply #23 on:** December 14, 2018, 02:03:32 PM »

Heo, there were other Ford carbs that had float bowl vents. Some 428 carbs had a vent that was controlled by a flapper valve on an arm. An example can be seen in this article:
http://blog.dearbornclassics.com/carburetors-428/

I can't tell you which carbs did or did not have vents, or what type they used, but they were used. I wasn't even aware that assembly line BJ/BK carbs had the vent that Drew mentioned.

Heo · « **Reply #24 on:** December 14, 2018, 06:22:14 PM »

That's the vent I'm talking about. A few of them has
passed through my hands during the years.
Well that was then and they are gone now special or not
In those days no one cared about nr correct

Drew Pojedinec · « **Reply #25 on:** December 14, 2018, 07:16:09 PM »

All of the factory CJ and GT carbs had a vent that opened at idle.
The Bk/BJ had full time open, external vents on both the primary and secondary bowls.
The earlier -C carbs had the primary vent (full time) like 3x2's had, but only on the primary.

If ya want I'll upload some pictures. I've got a 66, 67, 68GT, CJ -N, CJ -U, and C3 -C, BK/BJ carbs all here right now.

Heo · « **Reply #26 on:** December 14, 2018, 07:53:03 PM »

Drew, im not sure i want to know that i traded something valuable for a couple of
slotmags or something like that

but post pics, some of the grumpy old men i call
my friends may have that carb he had on the shelf since -82 that have the wrong
throtle linkage to fit a Chevy

Drew Pojedinec · « **Reply #27 on:** December 14, 2018, 10:36:58 PM »

C6 GT 390 carb's bowl vent:

IMG_0337 by Drew Pojedinec, on Flickr

Here are some pictures from Bill's Bk/BJ's

One distinguishing feature is that aside from the regular common, 4160 transfer tube, there is also a "balance" tube which connects the primary and secondary bowls at or below float level.

IMG_0348 by Drew Pojedinec, on Flickr

Original floats I've seen on all original 3x2 carbs and all 63-64 BK/BJ carbs
The static setting for these is to line the solder up with the bottom of the sight hole, NOT level with the roof.

IMG_0349 by Drew Pojedinec, on Flickr

All BK/BJ's I've seen have these bowls.
Three things to note:
-Full time, open vent
-"False" accelerator pump thingy
-Cast circle in the front of the bowl..... What is that for? Well some late 50's Holleys actually had a float adjuster that could be accessed if you took a plug out from that location.

IMG_0367 by Drew Pojedinec, on Flickr

Shot of the primary and secondary vents, front is just a hole with the sheet metal cap, the secondary is a pressed in brass piece. I actually make these pieces (not for sale), for when they are missing on originals.

IMG_0384 by Drew Pojedinec, on Flickr

External vent on a -U carb, many early 1850's and lotsa other early carbs have these as well.

IMG_0626 by Drew Pojedinec, on Flickr

*disclaimer*
This comment is in no way related to Doug's carbs, as the dates on his are far later than anything I've seen.

gt350hr · « **Reply #28 on:** December 17, 2018, 01:15:07 PM »

Drew ,
It is interesting to note that C5AF BC, BD and BT, BU carbs didn't have the "vents" like the C3AF BJ,BK carbs did. Nice work on the carbs in the picture.
Randy

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