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Re: Help with Camshaft selection for a 482 Dual Quad EFI Power Brakes
« Reply #45 on: December 04, 2018, 04:49:38 AM »
You can’t really go much smaller because of compression issues, as Doug was eluding to earlier.  You can overcome that by using a lazy lobe, but then you’re right back to overlap issues.
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Re: Help with Camshaft selection for a 482 Dual Quad EFI Power Brakes
« Reply #46 on: December 04, 2018, 05:44:23 AM »
Sorry it took so long to get back to reading this.

I agree 100% on the cam comments by Ross and Brent - that 106 LSA stick is a really odd choice for a EFI 482 deal.  Looks like something I would want to try in a smaller cube road race Cobra or Mustang.

Also agree with Ross' comment on timing.  Until you get the timing as measured by an accurate light and pointer into the proper zone you cannot possibly get the tune up correct.  There are enormous mileage and idle "opportunities" there.  Someplace in that tuning setup map is a crank reference angle selection that can be tweaked until you get the hand held and the timing light to agree.  That and you may want to double/triple check the distributor location relative to rotor position/rotor phasing.

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Re: Help with Camshaft selection for a 482 Dual Quad EFI Power Brakes
« Reply #47 on: December 04, 2018, 06:37:41 AM »
The elephants in the room, there are two, are the intake manifold and the cam.  Change those.  Don't get distracted by anything else.

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« Reply #49 on: December 04, 2018, 10:33:58 AM »
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Re: Help with Camshaft selection for a 482 Dual Quad EFI Power Brakes
« Reply #50 on: December 04, 2018, 10:40:41 AM »
Good job Randy.
This is what I was eluding to earlier, tune it and see how far ya get before swapping parts.

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« Reply #51 on: December 04, 2018, 10:48:33 AM »
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« Reply #52 on: December 04, 2018, 10:55:05 AM »
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Re: Help with Camshaft selection for a 482 Dual Quad EFI Power Brakes
« Reply #53 on: December 04, 2018, 12:09:44 PM »
Did you get your timing problem resolved?  With the Fitech timing control, get a helper and have them hold the rpm at 2200 ish rpm.  It will help to stabilize the timing off of idle.  Have your helper read the timing from the handheld and compare it to what you are reading on your timing light.  For example you had said your handheld said 18 while your timing light read 13.  In that case, you would rotate your distributor until both your handheld and your timing light indicated 18 degrees.  That should help to get your timing synced up, because in that previous example you would be about 5 degrees lower everywhere in your map.  I'm not sure if you set your adjustable rotor up as in the Fitech instructions or phased it with another cap with a hole in it.  When I phased mine in correctly, it was different than what Fitech stated in their instructions.  As you play with the Fitech more, it may make sense to alter some of the breakpoint settings to more accurately set where all of your timing advance comes in and what MAP setting you do most of your cruising at.  I'm not a Fitech expert but am running a 600 power adder version on a 428, so have learned a few things over the last couple of years.  Let me know if there is anything I can help with.   

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Re: Help with Camshaft selection for a 482 Dual Quad EFI Power Brakes
« Reply #54 on: December 04, 2018, 01:33:21 PM »
The elephants in the room, there are two, are the intake manifold and the cam.  Change those.  Don't get distracted by anything else.

JMO,

paulie

Elephant in the room is NOT the Tunnel Wedge.

Have YOU ever run a Tunnel Wedge on a 482 with Dual Quad EFI?  Did not think so . . .

In a earlier post I asked if ANYONE here has run a Dual Quad EFI, appears nobody had not to mention one with a TW.

This is a all total new build truck it will take a bit to get things ironed out. My first real test drive on the road was only a few days ago early Saturday morning.  Others take years to iron things out yet I get a day or so and its the end of the world.

The day the Tunnel Wedge is taken from truck is the day the FE comes out and I drop in a little V6 that will blow its doors off for a fraction of the $$. Make more TQ thru entire RPM range too.  I have a TON more $$ wrapped up in just the EFI than my 500 RWHP EcoBoost including a 6R80 auto and transfer case along with computer and wiring. Done, Running. And it will get prob 25 mpg, go 250k miles with only oil changes and a few sets of spark plugs.

Okay, glad you have it all figured out.  :)
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Re: Help with Camshaft selection for a 482 Dual Quad EFI Power Brakes
« Reply #56 on: December 04, 2018, 07:25:11 PM »
Have you looked at your 4000 rpm handheld timing reading vs timing light reading yet?  If they are different, you can slightly tweak the VR4000 setting.  That setting is a little bit confusing.  If they are different you slightly tweak the default setting either up and down (by the same amount they are different) until both the handheld and the timing light are the same at 4000 rpm as well.

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Re: Help with Camshaft selection for a 482 Dual Quad EFI Power Brakes
« Reply #57 on: December 05, 2018, 09:12:45 AM »
Did you get your timing problem resolved?  With the Fitech timing control, get a helper and have them hold the rpm at 2200 ish rpm.  It will help to stabilize the timing off of idle.  Have your helper read the timing from the handheld and compare it to what you are reading on your timing light.  For example you had said your handheld said 18 while your timing light read 13.  In that case, you would rotate your distributor until both your handheld and your timing light indicated 18 degrees.  That should help to get your timing synced up, because in that previous example you would be about 5 degrees lower everywhere in your map.  I'm not sure if you set your adjustable rotor up as in the Fitech instructions or phased it with another cap with a hole in it.  When I phased mine in correctly, it was different than what Fitech stated in their instructions.  As you play with the Fitech more, it may make sense to alter some of the breakpoint settings to more accurately set where all of your timing advance comes in and what MAP setting you do most of your cruising at.  I'm not a Fitech expert but am running a 600 power adder version on a 428, so have learned a few things over the last couple of years.  Let me know if there is anything I can help with.

Thanks for the help offer! May send you a PM with a few questions

Replaced the bad Power Steering pump.

Did some more messing with it. With light it shows 13 deg initial and handheld shows 13.1 all around 850-900 RPM

1100 RPM its up around 21 deg. 2400 its around 34 deg

Yep, The cam is not proper and the converter stall is too high but it sure is a pleasure to drive!
Converter too high for Optimal street cruise but not a issue at all. Just killin' The MPG's a bit.

Runs fantastic and it drives even better. Seems odd for a 53 yr old truck to have ZERO play in steering not wander with big tires, tracks perfect, handles well. Very flat in the corners.

Sounds great, the paint on head exhaust port has not started to change color in 240 miles.

Just a lot of parameters I have not gotten into yet.

Will keep tweaking it to see what it likes

Typical cruise the engine temp is 168 deg. Hottest its gotten in a bit of stop n go is 179.

Sounds like you are getting there, keep going.  Try something, write it down and undo it if you need to. Try anything, cam file change, target cruise AFR, timing rate, etc. 

Remember, the truck doesn't read this forum, so it doesn't know if the cam is right or wrong, if you tune it to where you are happy, just enjoy it!  or enjoy it and plan for the next cam change whenever you get bored!



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