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Re: Picking Cam For Electric Fuel Injection ?
« Reply #15 on: March 09, 2018, 06:10:08 PM »
If I was picking out of that list I would pick

COMP Cams 33-246-4
Part Number: 249-33-246-4
COMP Cams Comp Cams Magnum Mechanical Flat Tappet Camshafts
Magnum 294S Mechanical Flat Tappet Camshaft
Lift: .605"/.605"
Duration: 294°/294°
Lobe Separation Angle: 110°
RPM Range: 2500-6500   
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However, I did not check any of your part numbers, do not know how your heads are set up for spring pressure or clearance, and I am not saying it is absolutely the best, just a logical cam for use (assuming you use a better controller)
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Re: Picking Cam For Electric Fuel Injection ?
« Reply #16 on: March 09, 2018, 07:18:47 PM »
That is the one I use, its an excellent system.
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Re: Picking Cam For Electric Fuel Injection ?
« Reply #17 on: March 10, 2018, 10:21:49 PM »
If I was picking out of that list I would pick

COMP Cams 33-246-4
Part Number: 249-33-246-4
COMP Cams Comp Cams Magnum Mechanical Flat Tappet Camshafts
Magnum 294S Mechanical Flat Tappet Camshaft
Lift: .605"/.605"
Duration: 294°/294°
Lobe Separation Angle: 110°
RPM Range: 2500-6500   
View Details
$154.99

However, I did not check any of your part numbers, do not know how your heads are set up for spring pressure or clearance, and I am not saying it is absolutely the best, just a logical cam for use (assuming you use a better controller)

That is the one that caught my eye as well.  I beleive the specs would suit my needs and the engine.
I'll need different pushrods, but hoping my Dove roller rockers can still be used. I think their 1.76

Jay, I assume you're talking the MS3PRO for the brain ? 

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Re: Picking Cam For Electric Fuel Injection ?
« Reply #18 on: March 11, 2018, 08:56:26 AM »
Just to mention it, that cam is the same cam I mentioned just before you gave us the list to choose from.  I recommended it for performance not whether you are ready to stab it in

The controller is what Jay was referring to

Three important things

1 - Who knows what springs came on that motor you bought, you need to make sure you have the correct springs
2 - Who knows if you'll have valve clearance with the pistons you have, they aren't modern pistons and could have both radial and depth issues, you need to check
3 - Who knows what actual compression is, you need to measure.  I'd expect to advance the cam a little, but without knowing where you are, it's a guess.  On the other hand, having a Cobra a little soft on the bottom could be integral traction control too

Needless to say, buying one complete doesn't negate the leg work.
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Re: Picking Cam For Electric Fuel Injection ?
« Reply #19 on: March 11, 2018, 11:27:24 AM »
So, I'll need to start with the cam that is in it, get it running and figured out, then change cams and setup the computer. Or change cams now but install a carb and intake to break the new camshaft in ?  I don't have a intake (sold the Dove 2x4) or a carb.

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Re: Picking Cam For Electric Fuel Injection ?
« Reply #20 on: March 11, 2018, 11:45:07 AM »
So, I'll need to start with the cam that is in it, get it running and figured out, then change cams and setup the computer. Or change cams now but install a carb and intake to break the new camshaft in ?  I don't have a intake (sold the Dove 2x4) or a carb.

What's in it for a cam now?

May want to pony up the money for a dyno cam break in, you'd have to get an intake on it, but the shops usually have a carb that is a known performer.  It'd be tough to break a solid flat teppet in on a new EFI build

Again though, it's not just change cams, you need to know what is going on inside.  If you swap a cam and smack 8 intake valves, or stack the springs and break the heads off, you'll be wishing you knew morre
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- 71 F100 shortbed 4x4, 461 cid FE, headers, Victor Pro-flo EFI, Comp Custom HFT cam, 3.50 9 inch

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Re: Picking Cam For Electric Fuel Injection ?
« Reply #21 on: March 11, 2018, 12:12:25 PM »
My specs are on the first page.
Chad has two chassis dyno's. He owns "The Shop, inc", in Lincoln.

Doing a cam change with a FE is,...well, a pain vs a Chevy etc. It'll be a lot,....of work. Damn.

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Re: Picking Cam For Electric Fuel Injection ?
« Reply #22 on: March 11, 2018, 12:14:09 PM »
it's the exact same amount of work

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Re: Picking Cam For Electric Fuel Injection ?
« Reply #23 on: March 11, 2018, 12:26:22 PM »
Barry, I agree. I was just thinking about the differences between only changing intakes.
Wish I had a engine test stand and intake sitting around. Faster and easier.

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Re: Picking Cam For Electric Fuel Injection ?
« Reply #24 on: March 11, 2018, 02:06:48 PM »
So your early posts had some typos

Just to clarify, is Post #1, the 270S cam, the cam that is in it now?
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- 71 F100 shortbed 4x4, 461 cid FE, headers, Victor Pro-flo EFI, Comp Custom HFT cam, 3.50 9 inch

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Re: Picking Cam For Electric Fuel Injection ?
« Reply #25 on: March 11, 2018, 05:49:31 PM »
Yes.

Ford 428 crank nodgular iron much stronger than cast steel.

Eagle rods

Speed pro pistons and rings. 10:6:1 compression

Internally balanced.

Melling oil pump

Milidon road race oil pan.

Ford distributor and wires. (can be changed per request).

Comp 270s solid lift cam and lifters.

Dove water pump
Dove heavy duty oil pump drive

Dove aluminum cobra jet heads

Dove tunnel wedge 2 x 4 intake with 2 600 holleys

Dove heavy duty rocker assembly.

Engine has been test ran and is ready to install. Currently has a road race oil pan for use in a cobra kit car. Can be changed per request.  Engine has approximately 575 to 585hp.

In it now.

Comp Cams Magnum Mechanical Flat Tappet Camshafts
COMP Cams 11-217-4
Part Number: 249-11-217-4

Operating Range:   1800-5800 RPM
Duration Advertised:   270° Intake / 270° Exhaust
Duration @ .050'' Lift:   224° Intake / 224° Exhaust
Valve Lift:   .530'' Intake / .530'' Exhaust
Valve Setting:   .022'' Intake / .022'' Exhaust
Lobe Separation Angle:   110°
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Re: Picking Cam For Electric Fuel Injection ?
« Reply #26 on: March 11, 2018, 06:44:55 PM »
I am not trying to be a punk or disrespectful, but no way can your engine make 575 hp with a 224@0.050" cam.  I'm just saying it before somebody else does.  I have no doubt it's a great engine, but it is not at that power level with the current cam.  Maybe 100-150 hp less?  I'm not sure exactly.

JMO,

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Re: Picking Cam For Electric Fuel Injection ?
« Reply #28 on: March 11, 2018, 08:43:55 PM »
So Paulie is right, but that doesn't make it a bad engine, just means that Dove is BSing, which was apparent in the nodular iron crank comment too.

It's a nice CJ build, all decent but not fancy parts, with a set of heads and intake that flow significantly more than the parts beneath it warrant, but certainly a good setup and would feel like stock 427 but hang in a bit longer IMHO. 

My hunch, with that cam, those heads and TW intake, 475 hp giving it the benefit of the doubt, torque will likely climb with the EFI, but not sure power will The cam will really wake it up. 

However, the combo is likely a nice tight quench, likely right at the advertised compression, the issue is, I think it wouldn't run on pump gas the way he built it, it'd at least be very finicky unless the cam is retarded 4 degrees.

The issue I have with any of this is not knowing what is in the motor.  Slap a 294S in there, if everything is checked out, it'll be a monster, but still short of Dove's numbers IMHO.

Do yourself a favor, slow the boat down a bit.  Get inside it.  Pay someone like Gessford or your buddy to go through it, make sure it's right.  Even if you only check the top end for spring pressure and other parts.  It wouldn't surprise me if the support a 294S, the rockers and pushrods too, this could be as cheap simple as a cam change, but checking clearances and spring pressure now will save much heartache

I think it has the potential to be a great engine, but take your time and know what you have from more than just the list of parts



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- 71 F100 shortbed 4x4, 461 cid FE, headers, Victor Pro-flo EFI, Comp Custom HFT cam, 3.50 9 inch

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Re: Picking Cam For Electric Fuel Injection ?
« Reply #29 on: March 11, 2018, 09:16:40 PM »
For me, it's dissapointing. Chad and another friend told me to stick with what I have and if I'm unhappy, change the valve train later.
I've been waiting 10 years to get the Cobra going again, and to not have what I want, is hurtfull.
My thinking was to buy this Dove engine, because it is one of his, and especially having a low budjet. I don't know why I did not look closer at the cam specs before ? !

One,... reason in having a 427 Cobra, is the grunt, sound & feel.....of an stout engine, not some purring little kitten.
So a real mild engine/cam is not for me. Since I have the rockers off the heads, checking the spring pressure would be easy.
Wish this wasn't such a big issue it's become for me. 

With the larger cam, what spring pressure would my existing rate be ?
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