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Engine Masters has started
« on: October 03, 2017, 01:26:20 PM »
Engine Masters has started and Hot Rod has started posting videos on their website. Looks like our friend Royce is there. Facebook screen shot.



I'm guessing Royce is running today? And Hot Rod hasn't posted the results yet. Here's a link to the Hot Rod website with yesterday's results.

http://www.hotrod.com/articles/first-four-competitors-2017-amsoil-engine-masters-challenge/

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« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2017, 01:46:13 PM »
Reading the day 1 results I see the Gene Adams Racing early Hemi used a Hilborn individual runner system converted to EFI with runners that varied in length with the engine rpm. Got me to thinking how cool Jay's black '64 Galaxie SOHC would have looked going down the road on Dragweek with injection stacks moving up & down with the throttle, what a sight :D
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Re: Engine Masters has started
« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2017, 02:00:27 PM »
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Re: Engine Masters has started
« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2017, 02:49:43 PM »
Here's a little Jon Kaase screen shot tease for you from tear down. If the rules tell you you can't raise the intake ports just lower the combustion chambers. Piece of cake.

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« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2017, 03:01:43 PM »
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« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2017, 03:18:37 PM »
Rules didn't specify how thick the head gasket could be.

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« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2017, 03:30:52 PM »
Royce e-mailed me that he was in third place behind Jon Kaase and the Hemi.  Jon has the points lead with only one engine left to run in Vintage.  Very good 40 minute film on Facebook with Royce's whole dyno testing session, along with the intake manifold change during the 35 minute session.  Way to go Royce and Doug.  Joe-JDC
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« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2017, 03:35:33 PM »
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« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2017, 05:37:57 PM »
John won the Vintage Class. In traditional Kaase style, by blowing everybodys minds with his re-design work. Over 780 peak power! For those that don't know, John used Royces' engine from last year. Royce had an excellent showing, making more power and torque and scoring better than he ever had before.

I was there Monday and today, so lots of pictures and some video that I'll be posting as soon as I can get it all ready.
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« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2017, 06:10:29 PM »
Kaase seems like a guy that would be really frustrating to compete against.

You'd be all like "Wow, I'm doing pretty well..... wait, Kaase did what?  can he do that? crap, why didn't I think of that?"

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« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2017, 06:46:02 PM »
I run on Thursday.

I was an "alternate" this year and did not get the go ahead until a few weeks ago after somebody else had the misfortune to need to abandon their efforts.  I went through the parts we had on hand in the shop and built a pretty straightforward combination that met the rules.  Certainly not exotic - or a threat to any of the leaders - but should be cool in any case, and the only FE I am aware of in the contest.  First time I have ever entered a 390 based engine.

I am using a basic .040 over 390 with a 4.25 stroke and flat top pistons - same short block as we sell all the time.  The rotating assembly is actually made up from used parts other than the rings and bearings.  It has a pair of CNC'd Survival heads with 2.200 intake and 1.68 exhaust valves - used from a Stage X head project.  Intake is a Performer RPM from last year's entry, as are the C8AX oil pan and the vintage 850 vacuum Holley carb.  My friend Tim made up a custom ignition using a factory Ford distributor.

Rules mandate a .600 max lift flat tappet cam with hydraulic lifters.  This is where the problems doubled up.  The custom cam came in on time and the whole deal got assembled pretty quickly without any real drama - all the big parts had already been machined and assembled once before.  Engine fired up and went through cam break in with no signs of trouble - oil filter was clean.

Started making pulls and torque looked good but we were having apparent problems at higher RPM with a jagged curve.  Tried shuffling to a beehive spring package to get some control but it just kept getting worse in 3 or 4 subsequent pulls.  Looked at a couple valves while turning the engine over and it was apparent that we had killed a couple lobes.  With zero time to get another custom stick (this was Thursday!) we went to the shelves and grabbed the only legal thing we had, a genuine Comp 294S.  As would be expected, the torque was way down but the power was decent and it runs really well.  Compared to stuff we've run across the dyno in the past this one is nothing awesome - heads are too big - and I was hoping to use that custom short cam to crutch the bottom end.  So much for well laid plans.

We borrowed the Hooker '63 Galaxie headers and the cast iron long runner manifolds from Rod C again.  Since Murphy was not done with us yet, the last pull from yesterday popped a 3/8" hole in a primary tube just beyond the port, and another is cracked.  They are simply to old and rusting away.  No time to repair those either.  So we are going with the full vintage vibe.  Its all Ford blue now, including PBF valve covers, a Ford oil pan, a Ford distributor, a really old Holley, and a cam from the 1980s -  even painted the heads and intake.  Engine looks like I tugged it out of a Galaxie although the valve covers are 1968ish.

Based on the data gathered testing Adney's entry I was not going to be in the hunt anyways for score with the 294S cam, so we are going for the cool factor.  Here at home the peak torque is just over 500 lbs, and peak horsepower is about 543 running through manifolds.  I sometimes say that a particular combination can be built at home.  Really true with this one.
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« Reply #11 on: October 04, 2017, 12:52:10 AM »
Great effort Barry with such short notice and giving FE home engine builders like myself inspiration.
Thanks
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Re: Engine Masters has started
« Reply #12 on: October 04, 2017, 12:28:45 PM »
schedule change
running mine in ten minutes

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« Reply #13 on: October 04, 2017, 08:27:44 PM »
Looking at Mr Kaase's entry all can say is it must be nice to own a business that is well enough off and well enough staffed that you devote that much time to an "Engine Masters" competition. I am sure not many guys are able to do that and still keep customers happy. Please don't read anything into this. This is not a complaint or anything close to that. Just saying huge success has it's perks!  ;) 

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« Reply #14 on: October 04, 2017, 08:39:04 PM »
Alan, no doubt he's established and successful enough to do this sort of thing, but one of the things that surprised me most was listening to him when somebody asked how much time he had invested into the engine. He said he only gets serious about the work 4 weeks before the event. That's when "the guys don't expect to see me much"....his words. He also said that he'll work on it in the evenings sometimes, until that 4 week period comes, then it's all out. 4 weeks sure ain't what I would have thought!
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« Reply #15 on: October 05, 2017, 05:56:51 AM »
Maybe but....he spent a LOT more time in advance of cutting metal, etc. thinking about all the changes, mods, etc. Bet he even did some computer simulations before deciding on a plan of action. His years of thoughtful planning is what made it all possible. 
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