Author Topic: Scott's 68 Cougar July 2017 dyno pull, getting ready for Drag Week 2017 (Read 9626 times)

millerptl · « **on:** July 24, 2017, 09:59:32 AM »

Slowly getting there. Freshened motor. More power than ever before. Now need to put in car and do some suspension tuning.

http://youtu.be/_30p0DP6hNM

blykins · « **Reply #1 on:** July 24, 2017, 10:42:20 AM »

You may have better luck YouTube'ing it. Photobucket has developed into a nice steaming pile of parrot poo.

millerptl · « **Reply #2 on:** July 24, 2017, 10:51:12 AM »

Good idea, I'll do that later today

millerptl · « **Reply #3 on:** July 24, 2017, 12:31:28 PM »

Replaced with YouTube.

The video is shakey because the glass on the closed door was vibrating so badly.

fastback 427 · « **Reply #4 on:** July 24, 2017, 01:50:32 PM »

Awesome !!! Good luck at drag week!

jayb · « **Reply #5 on:** July 24, 2017, 02:36:27 PM »

Sounds great, Jack. What were the HP and torque numbers? Or is that confidential

millerptl · « **Reply #6 on:** July 24, 2017, 09:42:34 PM »

Hey Jay, it's Scott. You know better than most the competitive nature of the classes. After Dragweek I will share, not to keep the info from members of the forum but to keep it from those running in the SR BB NA class. I will say the sum of the parts should stay in the 8's. I'm hoping I can deliver with my limited driving experience. I would love to win the class but that's not really why I compete. I do this because I love doing what my dad loves doing, making FE's perform as well as they can, plus it's the one week in the year I get to drive a fast car down a drag strip. For Dragweek 2018 a few of our Dragweek friends are purpose building 600+ cubic inch BBC's to run 8.50's in the SR BB NA class. Now I could try to answer with a 429 based BBF, but I haven't been won over to go that route.

CaptCobrajet · « **Reply #7 on:** July 24, 2017, 10:22:13 PM »

Hey Scott, if we need to go 8.50s, we will just have to find some more FE steam for the ole Cougar. From where we are now, it will take some R&D, but there is more there. The trick is the reliability. We could go 8.50 now, but we gotta make it last you the week! It might be harder than those guys think to go 8.50 and run all week long. Rumour is that Curtis runs a 632 BBC now, and he is within your grasp with the Cougar at 502 cubes. We can still go a little bigger.....Maybe Mr. Jack will put the Cat on a diet and lose us a few pounds here and there.

cdmbill2 · « **Reply #8 on:** July 24, 2017, 11:55:20 PM »

This is slightly off topic, but given Scott's tremendous performance last year with more to come in 2017 I figure why not.

BTW I won't be competing at DW this year, but we'll be back in 2018 in SS BB N/A Question: the engine builder I work with, Dougan's in Riverside, CA primarily build trophy truck engines for several of the top teams, Ford and Chevy. Their stuff all uses Kinsler Dragon Claw EFI IR stuff. They think I can build more power under the curve with that setup vs. the Wilson tunnel ram, dual Accufab TB setup I run. Again full disclosure for those who don't know, I currently run a 598" TFS A460 headed Lima engine, but as they say the engine doesn't know what it says on the valve cover. The Kinsler setup is $$$$, but it puts the injectors way up on the stacks for improved charge cooling and they think I could pick up 70 ft/lbs across the 5500-7800 rpm band I care about. Thoughts?

jayb · « **Reply #9 on:** July 25, 2017, 12:04:48 AM »

Bill, I know that the F1 guys put the injectors way up in the stacks, or even a plenum, to get the most charge cooling. But I'd be surprised if there's 70 HP there, even at your power level. I'll be very curious to see your results on that, if you go forward with it...

jayb · « **Reply #10 on:** July 25, 2017, 12:07:06 AM »

Quote from: millerptl on July 24, 2017, 09:42:34 PM

Hey Jay, it's Scott. You know better than most the competitive nature of the classes. After Dragweek I will share, not to keep the info from members of the forum but to keep it from those running in the SR BB NA class. I will say the sum of the parts should stay in the 8's. I'm hoping I can deliver with my limited driving experience. I would love to win the class but that's not really why I compete. I do this because I love doing what my dad loves doing, making FE's perform as well as they can, plus it's the one week in the year I get to drive a fast car down a drag strip. For Dragweek 2018 a few of our Dragweek friends are purpose building 600+ cubic inch BBC's to run 8.50's in the SR BB NA class. Now I could try to answer with a 429 based BBF, but I haven't been won over to go that route.

I understand completely, Scott, and look forward to hearing more about the engine after the event. Good luck!

cjshaker · « **Reply #11 on:** July 25, 2017, 01:29:32 PM »

Congrats, Scott, and Blair. Looking forward to seeing the Cat run again this year. The fact that the "other team" needs 100+ more cubic inches just to keep up with that ancient FE speaks volumes about your combo! Last year you were consistent enough that you could have been a bracket racer..lol Hopefully you'll be into the 8's this year.

Just to refresh some memories, Scott was one of FOUR Fords (Ford powered) in a sea of Chevys last year, in Street Race Big Block NA. Alan Casida and I were 2 of those 4 Fords. And Scott ended up a very close 2nd!

jayb · « **Reply #12 on:** July 25, 2017, 02:31:56 PM »

Just a quick comment, as far as I know Curt Johnson's big block Chev was around 510 cubic inches last year, not 632. Brad Dyer's engine in his Nova is a 632" engine, or so he told me last year at Drag Week.

millerptl · « **Reply #13 on:** July 25, 2017, 06:46:11 PM »

Yeah, Curt told me 509 ci, 15:1 compression, and runs race gas on the street because the engine doesn't even like cruising on pump gas. Where he has me is in the weight of the car. He adds weight to be right on 3000lbs. I would too if I could, but somehow I need to lose 250lbs more.

mbrunson427 · « **Reply #14 on:** July 25, 2017, 06:57:32 PM »

I think this calls for the creation of the "road to drag week 2017" category. Looking forward to seeing everyone's cars come together. I'm trying to make it out to Great Lakes Dragway to watch, I have family that lives in Milwaukee.

That Cougar is completely badass.

Russ67Scode · « **Reply #15 on:** July 26, 2017, 08:46:44 PM »

I can only hope a year from now I can join you guys at drag week, will be the highlight of my year
Street Race BB Power adder I believe is what I will run
67 mustang 520 ci Blair Patrick FE ,EFI and twin 69 mm turbos

jayb · « **Reply #16 on:** July 26, 2017, 09:06:15 PM »

Quote from: mbrunson427 on July 25, 2017, 06:57:32 PM

I think this calls for the creation of the "road to drag week 2017" category. Looking forward to seeing everyone's cars come together. I'm trying to make it out to Great Lakes Dragway to watch, I have family that lives in Milwaukee.

That Cougar is completely badass.

Right now, I'm leaning towards not going. Too many personal things happening to attend to this year. I'll decide for sure in the next few weeks, but I don't think I'll put up a Road to Drag Week board because I'm usually the one who posts the most there. I would encourage anyone who is attending and wants to give updates to do so in the Technical or Member Projects forum.

cdmbill2 · « **Reply #17 on:** July 28, 2017, 06:39:04 PM »

Scott:

I had a similar conversation with Kurt last year. For comparison sake look at his other red BBC/Fox body car that was entered in SS BB N/A, the class I was entered in for 2016. He said it was a iron block 585"/Turbo 400 setup and that with the additional cage and other components legitimatly pushed it into SS. It ran bottom nines, no eights, ending up at a 9.18 average or something like that, main point is it was hiting 154+ trap speeds with soft (compared to the black car) 60 ft. times. He said it came in at 3250 with driver.

I looked it over carefully and saw no reason to doubt it. My car was at 3500 with fat driver and we didn't have enough rear gear and no real testing, so 9.30's at 150. This with crank HP at ~1050.

You guys were killing it last year and no doubt there is more in it with testing, converter/gear optimization and if you've found more power/ less weight you'll be in contention unless Kurt adds a 100 C.I. or Beck shows up with a well sorted car. I've no doubt he can make power. I'll just be a spectator this year so best of luck.

millerptl · « **Reply #18 on:** July 31, 2017, 02:35:44 PM »

Without a car from Bill and Jay this year, I don't know what to say. I understand though. Hopefully that will give the needed time to really dial those cars in, and make our jaws drop for 2018. Yeah, with more power and that power moved up the RPM range, 4.30 gears instead of 4.56, launching off the transbrake at about 3500 rpm and maybe just maybe 50 pounds lighter I am hoping to break the 9 second window.

Jay's cam cover!!

Fired it up in the car yesterday, sounds great!

turbohunter · « **Reply #19 on:** July 31, 2017, 03:19:26 PM »

Looks beautiful.
You're gonna have lots of folks following you with the downsized FE field.

millerptl · « **Reply #20 on:** August 01, 2017, 09:12:19 AM »

Jay, Did you run M/T P315/60R/15 radial slicks last year? I would like to try these this year but don't know if they will pass the go/nogo gauge.

jayb · « **Reply #21 on:** August 01, 2017, 10:50:22 AM »

Nope, I ran 31.0-10.5/15 Hoosier slicks. They BARELY pass the go-nogo gauge...

bluef100fe · « **Reply #22 on:** August 02, 2017, 07:35:03 AM »

I have a set of that size Mickey Thompson tires on 10 inch rims... on my truck for street driving.. what width is the go/no go gauge supposed to be?? I will go measure mine with a large caliper if it would help? Let me know, also I was planning on attending drag week this year with my truck, but it's a ways from being legal for the times it should run with the new engine and it hasn't been down the track yet with it. Hopefully soon though. Is the ET limit for no roll bar still 11.49 at these tracks?

cjshaker · « **Reply #23 on:** August 02, 2017, 09:06:22 AM »

Cody, yes, they go by standard NHRA rules from what I saw. They don't go by track rules, just one inspection at the beginning of the week done by Drag Week officials. They let me slide on an infraction for a couple days last year, until I got it 'fixed', but it was not for a safety issue on the track.

millerptl · « **Reply #24 on:** August 02, 2017, 06:44:06 PM »

Thanks, but I do think in the end the M/T's will be too wide. I ordered a new set of Hoosiers that I ran last year. They measured 10.25".

millerptl · « **Reply #25 on:** August 02, 2017, 07:05:54 PM »

I felt the need to properly give credit where credit is due. Sometimes I write in these forums and it may sound like I have a lot to do with my cougar. Yes, I do own the car, yes I wired the ignition and made a rain plate for the carbs, that is where it ends. I am so busy managing our family business and running three teenagers here and there that my Dad with Blair's help do 99.9% of the work. I literally drive to drag week, hop in the car, and drive it down the track. What an awesome dad that does all the work. Blair build's this awesome engine and then dad assembles everything himself, final tunes the engine, transmission, gearing, suspension, everything, with almost no help from me. It is very easy to look good when someone like my dad is such an expert on the FE's and 68 cougar's and mustangs. Thank you Blair, and especially thank you Dad.

CaptCobrajet · « **Reply #26 on:** August 02, 2017, 08:31:41 PM »

You Millers are a class act. It's a pleasure to work with y'all. You and Jack make my stuff look good!

cjshaker · « **Reply #27 on:** August 02, 2017, 09:00:12 PM »

Is Jack bringing his Mustang this year? He certainly has some experience in making the FE scoot along.

millerptl · « **Reply #28 on:** August 02, 2017, 09:05:57 PM »

I don't think so. I think he is bringing his 68 cougar. I think he is going to work on his mustang to enter a N/A class next year. Basically copy my motor and take it to the next level. He can get his mustang lighter than my cougar. I really look forward to him trying that for 2018.

Faron · « **Reply #29 on:** August 03, 2017, 04:09:39 PM »

Would Love to see that Cat at the FE Race and Reunion , AND it was nice to finally meet Jay there

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Author Topic: Scott's 68 Cougar July 2017 dyno pull, getting ready for Drag Week 2017 (Read 9626 times)