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Billet Intake Manifold for the Tunnel Port Intake Adapter
« on: March 21, 2017, 09:31:56 AM »
Quite a while back I started looking at doing a billet intake manifold for my intake adapters; see the thread below for some background information on this:

http://fepower.net/simplemachinesforum/index.php?topic=2551.msg24837#msg24837

As it happened one of my customers contacted me about doing one for a tunnel port intake manifold, to be used in a centrifugal supercharger application.  With only a bare minimum of intake manifolds available for the tunnel port, and the fact that the tunnel port runners could come straight up out of the heads, I thought that this would be a good intake manifold to start with when I had time to do this project.  So, late last year I got going on this, and made the following model in Solidworks:



This billet intake will be for a fuel injected application, so all of the runners will be machined for fuel injectors.  All 8 of the runners are the same, which simplifies design and manufacturing; another reason why a tunnel port intake is a good one to start with for me.  The runners bolt to the plenum, and seal to the plenum and the intake adapter with Viton O-rings.  In addition to the billet intake, of course, the intake adapter has to be modified with some bolt holes so that the billet intake can bolt down.  I decided to make the upper two holes on each runner bolt straight down, rather than come in at an angle; I figured that this would help compress the O-rings during assembly, and get the single bottom bolt lined up properly with the hole in the intake adapter.

In addition to the billet intake itself, I modeled the intake adapter, the fuel rails, and the distributor.  The distributor was a concern; my customer wanted as low a profile on the setup as possible, ideally to fit under the hood of his early Mustang.  As a result I took a guess on how low I could make the plenum, which was going to have to overhang the distributor.  The distributor cap would have to be able to come off of this setup, of course, and it looked like it might be pretty tight to me; here is the model:



I decided I probably had enough room at least for a Ford distributor (rather than an MSD), so I went ahead and got going writing programs for the machining fixtures I would need to build the billet intake.  I got most of the way done with this about a month ago, right about the time that I got my 3D printer up and running.  At that point, the question of whether or not the distributor could be installed and the cap removed with everything in place was still a concern.  This was an especially big consideration since this manifold would be fitted with one of those forward facing throttle bodies, and it would lean over the top of the distributor just like the plenum.  So, with the 3D printer sitting there, I decided it would be a good project to 3D print copies of the billet intake parts, then test fit them all together and see what the distributor clearance really looked like.

Naturally, it took some time to get the 3D printer adjusted so that it would correctly print the parts.  I tried ABS plastic first, and this worked fine on the runners, but on the plenum the plastic warped after the print and didn't fit the runners well.  I ended up switching to a more stable, lower temp plastic called PLA, and still had some problems, but I did get a workable plenum print out of that stuff.  Here's a couple pictures of the 3D printed parts for the billet intake:





You'll notice three rectangular blocks bolted to the plenum; these were printed separately, and are used to attach the fuel rails to the plenum.  A couple closeups of the runners are in the photos below.  One of them has the O-rings installed:





After getting the parts printed, it was time to bolt them together.  The screws I used were 1/4-20, and the threads in the 3D prints were a little rough for a screw that small, so I ran a bottom tap into all the threaded holes just to make sure they would all hold the screws.  The billet intake parts bolted together without any problems:






Next I had to take the tunnel port intake adapter that my customer had purchased and re-machine it for the screws required to bolt the intake on.  Using the screw locations defined in the Solidworks model I was able to do this without too much trouble.  Below are some photos of the modified intake adapter.  I put it on a new dyno mule that I am currently building,so that I could test fit it with the distributor.  Unfortunately, the dyno mule uses MR heads, not tunnel port heads, so I couldn't bolt it down, but at least it sits in the same location as it would on a tunnel port engine and will allow the distributor test fit.  Looking at the vertical holes above the ports that hold down the billet intake, there is not much depth available there before breaking into the port.  I was limited to about 1/4" for depth of the hole, so I machined the intake adapter to use 1/4-28 bolts in this location, to allow more thread engagement:





Next, I bolted the 3D printed intake on; this was a moment of truth, of course, because if I'd made any mistakes then the holes wouldn't line up, and it would be back to the drawing board.  Fortunately everything came out looking good, and the intake bolted on without any drama.  The bottom 8 bolt holes, one each in the bottom of each runner, were a little bit of a challenge to get to, but I was able to get them all tightened up with a 3/16" ball end hex in a socket, with a 12" extension.  It will take 24 bolts to remove or attach this intake, but at least it will still be able to be removed from the intake adapter, preserving the advantages of the inspection plate in the center of the adapter.  After getting the intake on, I put a rubber O-ring in the groove of the plenum; here's a couple pictures of the setup at this point:





So far this was coming together pretty nicely, and I was happy with the results.  Next I decided to machine some fuel rail stock and bolt it in place with the fuel injectors I had on hand.  I figured this would take me a few hours.  I should know better  ::)  Three full days later, I finally had the fuel rails done.  I had to machine some fixtures in order to hold the rather oddly-shaped fuel rails in the vise, and then adjust the fixtures so that I could machine both fuel rails at once (thinking ahead to when I might do more of them).  Getting the fuel rails machined required two different setups, one for boring the holes for the injectors on the bottom of the fuel rails, and one for drilling the holes in the side that hold the fuel rails to the plenum.  I actually still need one more fixture, to stand the fuel rails up on end and then chamfer and tap the holes for the #8 AN fittings, but after three days of screwing around with this I decided to wait on that detail.  It will end up taking me another two setups to machine those threads, one setup for each end of the pair of fuel rails, but hopefully only one more fixture. 

After all this screwing around with fixtures and setups, the actual machining operations for both fuel rails took about 10 minutes.  How ironic  >:(

Anyway, I finally had the fuel rails ready to install.  They fit nicely on the billet intake; here are a couple pictures:






The distributor fit test was fast approaching.  In order to check this fit I had purchased one of the Holley EFI tops for an LS engine, with the forward facing throttle body.  My plenum is designed to use these off-the-shelf parts, which are fairly inexpensive and readily available.  Here's a couple of pictures with the top installed:






Looks pretty cool!  Finally, I decided to test fit the distributor.  I tried the MSD distributor I had on hand first.  With that big round rotor in place, I couldn't even get it to clear the top and fit into the distributor hole, but after removing the rotor I was able to drop it in.  However, it was clear with the HEI style cap terminals on the cap, it would be way too high to get the cap installed.  My friend Kevin is going to bring over one of the GM style caps, with the normal non-HEI plug terminals, to see if that may fit, but I think it is questionable. 

My design assumed the use of a Ford distributor, which is lower than the MSD distributor by a good 3/4".  The Ford distributor dropped in with no problems, and I was relieved to see that I was able to wiggle the cap with wires into position and clip it into place.  Thank goodness it fit!  Here are a couple of pictures:





Now that I have confirmation that everything fits together as it should, and that the distributor and cap can be removed as long as they are Ford parts, I can get going on actually machining the aluminum runners and plenum for this billet intake.  My first pass at this indicates that it will, again, take me longer than expected to write the programs, but I think at least I'm on the home stretch on this project.  Once I have this completed, next up will be the same type of billet intake, but for a medium riser style engine, potentially to fit with the #13001 FE to 351C intakes that I already make available.  Maybe the 351C guys will even buy some  ;D 


As a last step, just for fun I took one of the Holley tops for a 2X4 carb setup and put it on the engine to see how it would look; photos below:





I'm not overly thrilled with the appearance of the Holley plenum, but maybe it could be customized somewhat to spice it up a little.  And at least it is readily available, and fairly inexpensive.  I may make a billet top for the billet intake at some point too...

I will post more in this thread as I get the parts machined for this setup.
« Last Edit: March 21, 2017, 11:03:21 AM by jayb »
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- 1969 Mach 1, Drag Week 2005 Winner NA/BB, 511" FE (10.60s @ 129); Drag Week 2007 Runner-Up PA/BB, 490" Supercharged FE (9.35 @ 151)
- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC

   

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« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2017, 09:48:15 AM »
So that's what was coming together three weeks back.Beyond impressive!!!!!!

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« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2017, 09:55:48 AM »
Looks very cool now that it's all together. Hmmm. A single turbo into that intake for the Mach One?

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« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2017, 10:45:40 AM »
Wow, you keep outdoing even yourself! Applause, applause!
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« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2017, 11:24:43 AM »
So I guess you're serious about this parts company deal eh ;)
Seriously congrats and all the best to you.
In a related subject, I have pretty much decided to dyno and shake down my mustang on carburetor as the whole process will be much easier compared to shaking down a new car on injection. Now that we're getting an idea where you're heading I'm very happy with that decision as it looks like you're going to have some nice products to play with.
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« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2017, 12:16:46 PM »
Man oh man, would that Holley LS EFI top setup be nice on my car with a belt driven blower or a pair of turbos!

I need to loosen up some purse strings

BTW, your craftsmanship just continues to improve each year, very very nice.
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« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2017, 01:02:03 PM »
Good point as GMC Roots 6-71 or 8-71 blower on top would be bitchin'!
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« Reply #8 on: March 21, 2017, 01:04:08 PM »
Jay, looks very impressive!  How feasible is it to go ahead and make say, the lower section of the plenum from thermoplastic via 3D printing?  Or any of the other parts for that matter!  Thanks, Bruce
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« Reply #9 on: March 21, 2017, 01:08:18 PM »
So I guess you're serious about this parts company deal eh ;)
Seriously congrats and all the best to you.
In a related subject, I have pretty much decided to dyno and shake down my mustang on carburetor as the whole process will be much easier compared to shaking down a new car on injection. Now that we're getting an idea where you're heading I'm very happy with that decision as it looks like you're going to have some nice products to play with.

I'm hoping to change your mind on that; later today or tomorrow I will start posting on my new dyno mule, which will provide a step by step set of instructions for setting up an EFI engine...
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- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC

   

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« Reply #10 on: March 21, 2017, 01:11:26 PM »
Man oh man, would that Holley LS EFI top setup be nice on my car with a belt driven blower or a pair of turbos!

I need to loosen up some purse strings

BTW, your craftsmanship just continues to improve each year, very very nice.

Thanks Ross.  The belt driven supercharger is what my customer is going with, and in fact I am going to try to "productize" the setup that I hand-built for my Mach 1 when it was running the Vortech V7 Ysi supercharger.  I doubt that I will sell very many, but just having the option of a quality bolt-on supercharger kit for an FE in a Mustang would be attractive to some folks, I think...
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- 1969 Mach 1, Drag Week 2005 Winner NA/BB, 511" FE (10.60s @ 129); Drag Week 2007 Runner-Up PA/BB, 490" Supercharged FE (9.35 @ 151)
- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
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« Reply #11 on: March 21, 2017, 01:43:59 PM »
Cool change ahead.
Cause my mind is swimming right now.
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« Reply #12 on: March 21, 2017, 02:46:50 PM »
what efi system is he using for this? guess I should of waited so I didn't have to make my setup and go thru all my hassles I did.

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« Reply #13 on: March 21, 2017, 03:17:04 PM »
Jay, looks very impressive!  How feasible is it to go ahead and make say, the lower section of the plenum from thermoplastic via 3D printing?  Or any of the other parts for that matter!  Thanks, Bruce

Bruce, I think for the runners I could use ABS plastic, which has a fairly high melting temperature.  But for the plenum, ABS warps too much.  So, I think if I would I try to run these on the dyno, I will make the runners from ABS and the plenum from PLA, and then paint them both on the outside to seal up any air leaks in the plastic.
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- 1969 Mach 1, Drag Week 2005 Winner NA/BB, 511" FE (10.60s @ 129); Drag Week 2007 Runner-Up PA/BB, 490" Supercharged FE (9.35 @ 151)
- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC

   

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« Reply #14 on: March 21, 2017, 03:17:39 PM »
what efi system is he using for this? guess I should of waited so I didn't have to make my setup and go thru all my hassles I did.

Not sure what his plan is for that...
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- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC

   

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« Reply #15 on: March 21, 2017, 04:07:28 PM »
I don't know how this could get any cooler. I can't wait to see how this all turns out. As for issues with a distributor and EFI I prefer something like this with either coil packs or coil on plug. http://www.pricemotorsport.com/html/body_camshaft_synchronizer.html

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« Reply #16 on: March 21, 2017, 05:59:52 PM »
Those setups work but they don't take advantage of some of the benefits of a really good EFI system.  You need to have a multi-tooth wheel to really get those benefits, like the 36-1 toothed wheels that Ford uses.  But they are nice for switching to coil packs or coil on plug, because they drive the oil pump with no distributor...
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- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC

   

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« Reply #17 on: March 21, 2017, 06:12:05 PM »
how did you come up with the amount of volume you wanted in the plenum?

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« Reply #18 on: March 21, 2017, 06:45:57 PM »
The plenum was driven more by hood clearance issues than ideal volume.  But as a general rule, you want about the same number of cubic inches in the plenum as the engine displacement, for max power production.  That changes somewhat as peak power RPM increases, favoring a bigger plenum, but for most of us running up to 7000 RPM or so, its pretty close...
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- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC

   

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« Reply #19 on: March 21, 2017, 07:02:21 PM »
Cool stuff Jay.  Yeah I have to admit that I cringed a bit when the picture of the Holley "upside down bread pan" first popped up on the screen.  That needs a lot of lipstick!  The rest of the stuff looks pretty slick  :)

For 3D printing ABS, I've seen that having a heated bed on the printer really helps with warpage.  I'm starting to get into that a bit myself, but starting with the easier PLA material.
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« Reply #20 on: March 21, 2017, 07:06:00 PM »
My printer does have a heated bed, Bill, in fact it heats to 100C when printing ABS.  But when the print is 20" long or so, and several inches high, warpage is still a potential problem.  Some of the really top shelf 3D printers put the whole print in an oven basically, so that the entire print stays at a high temperature until it is finished.  That's probably the best way to 3D print large ABS parts...
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- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC

   

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« Reply #21 on: March 21, 2017, 07:26:21 PM »
I have to add some height to my tunnel ram plenum,, the new distributor is right at the bottom of the TB, so cant adjust timing where it is now.. I need to raise the top plenum 1-1/2 inches or so, but will have to figure what I have now and see what I really need I guess for it to work the best.

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« Reply #22 on: March 21, 2017, 07:40:26 PM »
Looks absolutely fantastic, Jay!  I really needed (wanted) a fuel injection intake that could be utilized with a belt driven supercharger (have a Vortech V4 on hand) or a pair of turbos. Yet no one makes an adapter plate for the FE. Aesthetics, flexibility, functionality, and possible expansion capability on the initial concept is what got me interested in this project. Been admiring Jay's work for a while and with so few TP options available, Jay was headed in the right direction with this market endeavor. Looking forward to the end result.

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« Reply #23 on: March 21, 2017, 09:43:34 PM »
As for the EFI, haltec has a "drive by wire" controller that would allow you to use an LS throttle body.
I'm sure there are others that do the same, but being able to use a LS throttle body in that would be neat.


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« Reply #24 on: March 21, 2017, 09:48:42 PM »
I think most EFI systems would allow the use of an LS throttle body.  It would use a GM throttle position sensor, which is easily integrated into most EFI systems; they are simple, three wire devices.
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- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
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« Reply #25 on: March 21, 2017, 10:23:35 PM »
Cool project....
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« Reply #26 on: March 22, 2017, 05:00:08 AM »
Hey Jay, did you study my adapter pictures? I see some resemblance to my design! I like your idea for the runners, it would have saved me some time in the welding on the finished part. I don`t see a way to use the MSD or HEI with out using an offset drive, but some thing may pop up.  Garry

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« Reply #27 on: March 22, 2017, 06:12:19 AM »
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think most EFI systems would allow the use of an LS throttle body.  It would use a GM throttle position sensor, which is easily integrated into most EFI systems; they are simple, three wire devices
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What I meant was the "drive by wire" throttle body, the kind that don't have a throttle cable or linkage, its electronically controlled. Would fit that upper obviously, and has some really neat benifits compaired to a mechanically actuated throttle.

Yea, outside of some old Nissan units, think most throttle position sensors work the same...

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« Reply #28 on: March 22, 2017, 07:48:13 AM »
I see, thanks for the clarification - Jay
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- 1969 Mach 1, Drag Week 2005 Winner NA/BB, 511" FE (10.60s @ 129); Drag Week 2007 Runner-Up PA/BB, 490" Supercharged FE (9.35 @ 151)
- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC

   

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« Reply #29 on: March 22, 2017, 09:00:51 AM »
Hey Jay, did you study my adapter pictures? I see some resemblance to my design! I like your idea for the runners, it would have saved me some time in the welding on the finished part. I don`t see a way to use the MSD or HEI with out using an offset drive, but some thing may pop up.  Garry

I think my runners are longer than yours Garry, but otherwise they are rather similar.  Of course, my design has been on the drawing board longer than you've had your intake adapter  ;)
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- 1969 Mach 1, Drag Week 2005 Winner NA/BB, 511" FE (10.60s @ 129); Drag Week 2007 Runner-Up PA/BB, 490" Supercharged FE (9.35 @ 151)
- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC

   

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« Reply #30 on: March 22, 2017, 10:41:45 AM »
Awesome stuff!!! I was thinking the adapter with a 351C fox body style fuel injection intake would be cool, but this is even better.

Makes this setup that we have kind of obsolete.....
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« Reply #31 on: March 22, 2017, 11:39:03 AM »
Jay, can you dimension this? Wondering if it would fit under an F100 hood without surgery. Just trying to get a rough figure of the size in general.
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« Reply #32 on: March 22, 2017, 02:46:50 PM »
I'll bet it would fit, Mike.  I measure 12.75" from the top of the block rail to the top of the forward facing Holley EFI top.    If you want to run carbs, I measure 11.25" from the top of the block rail to the carb mounting surface on the carb plenum.  Hope that helps - Jay
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- 1969 Mach 1, Drag Week 2005 Winner NA/BB, 511" FE (10.60s @ 129); Drag Week 2007 Runner-Up PA/BB, 490" Supercharged FE (9.35 @ 151)
- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
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« Reply #33 on: March 22, 2017, 03:13:24 PM »
Jay, can you dimension this? Wondering if it would fit under an F100 hood without surgery. Just trying to get a rough figure of the size in general.

Depending on the vintage, you can get quite a bit under the hood of an f-100.  My '65 is running a 1" carb spacer and a 3" air cleaner with a flat base on a run of the mill iron 4V low riser manifold and there is at least 1 1/2" inches still left above it, what Jay has pictured looks shorter than my setup as the base of my air cleaner is just above the distributor cap.  I think the hood got lower in '67 so there would be less room on later trucks.
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« Reply #34 on: March 22, 2017, 03:57:14 PM »
If only someone made a set of tunnelport aluminum heads with efficient combustion chambers.............
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« Reply #35 on: March 22, 2017, 07:46:44 PM »
FYI for anyone interested, I tried to fit the MSD distributor with the shorter cap today, and still no luck.  Looks like the stock Ford distributor is the only way to go with this setup.
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- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
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« Reply #36 on: August 26, 2017, 01:58:52 PM »
It's been quite a while but I am finally getting close to finishing up this project.  Just as a refresher, here is a picture of the 3D printed billet intake, that some of you may have seen at the FE Reunion in April:




More pictures of the 3D printed manifold are shown earlier in the thread.  Most of the plastic is now in aluminum.  Here's a photo of the runners, equipped with O-rings on both ends to seal to the intake adapter, and then to the plenum:





When they come off the CNC machine they are kind of a dull silver in color, and I wanted to see what they would look like polished up, so despite the fact that I am really not set up to polish aluminum, I took a stab at it to get the general idea.  They actually polish very nicely, which I guess makes sense since they are billet aluminum.  Next I bolted them onto the intake adapter; here's a few more pictures:








Once I had the runners machined I started on the plenum, which was a much more complicated prospect.  However, over the last week I've made some pretty good progress, and am almost finished up with the inside surfaces; see the photo below of the part, still on the CNC machine:




Once the plenum is done I just have to machine the brackets to hold the fuel rails, and the project will be complete.  As mentioned earlier in the thread this intake will be used with a Vortech supercharger blowing into one of those Holley LS front facing tops.  As it happens I have another tunnel port customer who wants the same basic setup, but instead of a Holley top he will be mounting a 6-71 blower on top of the plenum!  That should be a really cool setup; I have the runners done for that one as well, and will start on the plenum when I have this one completed.  I will post some pictures of that setup too when its done.
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- 1969 Mach 1, Drag Week 2005 Winner NA/BB, 511" FE (10.60s @ 129); Drag Week 2007 Runner-Up PA/BB, 490" Supercharged FE (9.35 @ 151)
- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
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« Reply #37 on: August 26, 2017, 02:23:49 PM »
Jay, that is soooooo sexy! You've started an FE porn site!   :) ;) :D ;D
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« Reply #38 on: August 26, 2017, 08:38:55 PM »
Wow.

That roots engine will be riding high. I'd love to see what that one is going into! Can't wait to see either of them done, actually! Very nice, Jay!
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« Reply #39 on: August 26, 2017, 10:36:52 PM »
Jay are you familiar with CPVC plastic ?

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« Reply #40 on: August 27, 2017, 09:08:25 AM »
Nope.  ???
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- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
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« Reply #41 on: August 27, 2017, 06:37:34 PM »
Wish your product was available few years ago; would have been much cleaner and easier.
Here's mine; finished Oct 2014



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« Reply #42 on: August 27, 2017, 07:23:35 PM »
Nope.  ???
its PVC with a very high heat resistance.

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« Reply #43 on: August 27, 2017, 07:36:16 PM »
Why did you mention it?
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- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
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« Reply #44 on: August 27, 2017, 08:16:35 PM »
From your posts of the issues you were having with the ABS then the PLA plastics warping and questions of heat survivability, did I miss your getting a better plastic ?

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« Reply #45 on: August 27, 2017, 09:31:44 PM »
No, I've been using PLA, it doesn't seem to warp when printing.  Melting temperature is about 180C, so it should hold up at least to dyno temperatures.
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- 1969 Mach 1, Drag Week 2005 Winner NA/BB, 511" FE (10.60s @ 129); Drag Week 2007 Runner-Up PA/BB, 490" Supercharged FE (9.35 @ 151)
- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC

   

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« Reply #46 on: August 27, 2017, 09:33:07 PM »
Wish your product was available few years ago; would have been much cleaner and easier.
Here's mine; finished Oct 2014



BTW link was from PB

Cool setup!  Did you ever dyno it, or run it at the track?
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- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
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« Reply #47 on: August 31, 2017, 12:34:38 PM »
Finished up and bolted together:












Also test fit the Holley LS tops on there to see how they look.  Turns out that my bolt holes are off by a few thousandths, though, making it difficult to get all the bolts installed.  I'm guessing this is because the plastic on the 3D print shrunk a little over the 18" length of the plenum, so that when I adjusted the holes to fit the Holley tops, they moved a little too much.  I will be enlarging or slotting the bolt holes to correct for this problem.  Fortunately this is not a big deal; it would be a shame to scrap that plenum.

First photo below is with the Holley 2X4 top, and the second is with the front facing throttle body for EFI top, which is the one my customer will be running. 

I like this thing so much, I may have to get me a tunnel port  ;D ;D



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- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
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« Reply #48 on: August 31, 2017, 12:47:13 PM »
Very cool Jay, using a readily available top. Do you do any pressure or vacuum testing on these assemblies?
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« Reply #49 on: August 31, 2017, 12:49:31 PM »
Nope, I rely on the O-rings on both ends of the runners to seal, and also an O-ring seal from the plenum to the Holley top.  You can see the groove in the top of the plenum; a 1/8" diameter O-ring goes in there for sealing.  I'm pretty sure the O-rings will make for a trouble-free seal.
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- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
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« Reply #50 on: August 31, 2017, 12:52:52 PM »
Very cool Jay, using a readily available top. Do you do any pressure or vacuum testing on these assemblies?

With it being billet, it shouldn't be required unless there was a problem with the seals.

That EFI top looks perfect for a turbo set-up. The only drawback I can see is you lose easy access to the adapter cover to the lifter area. The single bottom bolt on the runners look like they'd be difficult to get at. At least more difficult than a standard intake.
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« Reply #51 on: August 31, 2017, 01:15:52 PM »
You are right about that Doug, in addition to there being 24 bolts to remove the intake from the intake adapter, the bottom bolts require a 3/8 drive 12" extension, plus a U-joint, and a 3/16" allen head socket to tighten or loosen the bottom bolts.  They're not hugely difficult, though, just not as easy as the 12 bolts on a standard 351C intake.
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- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
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« Reply #52 on: August 31, 2017, 04:06:54 PM »
Well done....I love the look.
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« Reply #53 on: August 31, 2017, 06:28:57 PM »
That looks really nice Jay. Any thoughts on doing a version to suit a SOHC?  Would probably work well with a set of raised port heads.

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« Reply #54 on: August 31, 2017, 09:10:57 PM »
I am planning an SOHC version, in fact I will probably run one myself next year.  Before I do that though I have to finish another tunnel port version, and then get one ready for the standard FE intake adapter.  So I'm at least several months away from having the SOHC version...
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- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
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« Reply #55 on: September 06, 2017, 09:42:54 AM »
Very nice work Jay!

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« Reply #56 on: October 15, 2017, 04:51:52 PM »
Jay, what a great mind & heart you have for the FE family and the entire system is a work of art !

Wonderful job my friend, wonderful.  ;)

Can you build me a 3d printed 427 Cobra, then create it in a billet body ?   :)
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« Reply #57 on: October 17, 2017, 07:45:42 PM »
Very nice job Jay, your a true craftsman, hope your customer is Happy!......Al
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« Reply #58 on: October 19, 2017, 02:39:14 PM »
The customer is Highly pleased!! Think this will work extremely well with a couple of different configs in mind...

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« Reply #59 on: November 17, 2017, 07:03:59 PM »
Coincidentally, I had a second customer who was interested in one of these billet intakes for a tunnel port.  This customer wanted to use the intake with a Roots blower.  He purchased the blower and sent it to me so I could get dimensions from it and adapt the intake to mount the blower.  As usual it took me a little longer than expected to get this project done, but I just got it finished up this week.  I think it looks great.  Photos are below, showing the intake manifold, which is slightly modified from the previous one to make it a little stouter, so it will support the blower, plus a blower plate (first picture) that bolts onto the plenum, and the blower itself.  I almost hate to put this in the box and ship it, it looks so good sitting here... ;D ;D ;D











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- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
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« Reply #60 on: November 17, 2017, 08:06:26 PM »
No price mentioned, must really be expensive - lol.

Beautiful.

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« Reply #61 on: November 17, 2017, 09:36:01 PM »
Wow! Really looks good Jay, nice job on the blower blower mount. I know it is a tunnel port and not a high riser, but... "tall and terrible", seems to fit here. What car is it going in?
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« Reply #62 on: November 17, 2017, 09:36:26 PM »
Outstanding work Jay, as always. Now you have specks and pattern for maybe doing future blower  tops for your intakes. Any more progress on the standard adapter intakes ?
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« Reply #63 on: November 18, 2017, 12:47:40 AM »
No price mentioned, must really be expensive - lol.

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Thanks Bob, I'm actually trying to keep these things affordable, for a while at least.  Depending on material cost, which varies between tunnel port, medium riser, and high riser intakes, the intake ranges from $1400 to $1600.  Interestingly enough, the tunnel port intakes are the least expensive because the basic material cost is lowest.  I had to charge my customer a little extra for the blower plate.  Add the intake adapter, and that's still a lot less than a Hogan intake  :D
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- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
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« Reply #64 on: November 18, 2017, 12:50:25 AM »
Wow! Really looks good Jay, nice job on the blower blower mount. I know it is a tunnel port and not a high riser, but... "tall and terrible", seems to fit here. What car is it going in?
I forget what car its going in, but its going to be a 60s style blown vehicle with traditional hat injection for the blower, but converted to EFI if I recall correctly.  Sounds like a very cool project...
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- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC

   

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« Reply #65 on: November 18, 2017, 12:53:51 AM »
Outstanding work Jay, as always. Now you have specks and pattern for maybe doing future blower  tops for your intakes. Any more progress on the standard adapter intakes ?

In fact Keith I am machining the first one right now.  I'm trying to have it ready to display at the PRI show in a few weeks.
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- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC

   

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« Reply #66 on: November 18, 2017, 11:27:48 AM »
All these really cool intakes being made, and nobody wants to share their builds. Bummer :(
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« Reply #67 on: November 18, 2017, 01:21:46 PM »
Hopefully Jay, you'll have one of those in your booth at Indy.  I'll get to feast my eyes on it Saturday  ;D
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« Reply #68 on: November 18, 2017, 02:24:16 PM »
Looks awesome Jay. As with all your products. Great Job.