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turbohunter

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Disease please, I'll take two.
« on: September 15, 2016, 07:48:08 PM »
Figured since the guys are busy with Drag Week I'd start the build thread on my mustang.
It's a '66 A fastback. I bought it from a very good friend that has since passed away so there's no way it is ever leaving my family.
When I bought it it was in primer and pretty rough with a not original 289 in it. I cleaned it up, painted it and drove it for a while.
Then one day I said, "hey, why don't I freshen up the front end." Upon tear down I said to myself, "hey, as long as I'm doing this I may as well do that". Pretty soon it was completely apart and you all know what happens next. Other projects get priority and boom, it sits for years.
Well the kids are all out of the house and I'm in the middle of another build (my Fairlane) so hey, perfect time to get on the mustang.
I guess I should give you the low down on what I'm thinking about for it.
First off, I'm not a restorer. Right or wrong I'm a modifier. I realize some guys may hate, hate, hate it, but that's ok.
It will occupy the "for fun only" slot in my little group of vehicles. The Fairlane is a mostly race car, the mustang is all street.
Then I have my cruiser dd truck ('61) and the fun truck ('74).
At first I was going to throw a blown 4.6 in it but everybody has done that. And at first it was going to have air suspension because it was new and exciting when I first tore it apart ( I lost my head), but that's going away for coil overs (I'm better now, thank you)
I'm putting a 428cj block in it. The crank has been offset ground to a 4 inch stroke. Bores are 4.185. It will be injected.
As soon as I can get an aluminum block, that will be what eventually goes in it. But I'm not in a hurry.
Basics of the car are:
Injected 440FE
T600 5 speed (.68 5th gear)
TruTrac 4.11 rear end (31 spline axles)
Front tires 17/225/45s
Rear tires 18/255/45s (26 inches tall)
As of today I'm locating the engine and trans to build mounts. Been running into a few little problems. I'm going to have to lower the rack as it is just plain to high and in the way of getting the engine down where I want it. Will do that tomorrow.
I'm shoving the engine as far back as I can for a few reasons. One, I had to move the seat platform down and back in order to keep my head off the roof. So having the shifter move back with me would be good. Second, that's a bigger engine than this car was engineered for so weight distribution is paramount. Also can use as much room up front as possible (may need an intercooler some day ;D ).
I'll include a few pics so you guys get an idea of where I'm at and then keep adding.
Oh BTW, the reason the oil pan is hacked is because it is a generic Canton pan for IFS mustangs but the front sump just doesn't fit so it will be flat instead of having a front sump.









Marc
'61 F100 292Y
'66 Mustang Injected 428
'66 Q code Country Squire wagon


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Re: Disease please, I'll take two.
« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2016, 08:11:53 PM »
Lookin good Marc!  Will look forward to your updates. 

Bruce
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Re: Disease please, I'll take two.
« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2016, 08:27:22 PM »
Boy ain't that thing shiny red. Not your typical engine choice for a 66 ....... I like it.  8)
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Re: Disease please, I'll take two.
« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2016, 08:36:27 PM »
Nice looking car, rims, and I like the engine choice..stay at it...........Al
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Re: Disease please, I'll take two.
« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2016, 08:44:57 PM »
Sweet!!
Keep us posted. 
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Re: Disease please, I'll take two.
« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2016, 08:46:18 PM »
Awesome!  Will be following !
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Re: Disease please, I'll take two.
« Reply #6 on: September 16, 2016, 12:36:58 AM »
Very nice....The car will draw a lot of attention with the FE in it..I am currently building a 66 Fastback with a 428CJ 4spd..Different school of thought tho..
I am quite familiar with the front sump issue as my 427 68 also uses one(as does the 66)...I include a pic of the pan on the 427..The sump has been trimmed to the max and the oil pump is pretty much sitting on the floor.Pump is a standard depth pump that is blue printed and coated...

My question...where do you plan on putting your oil pump ???

This pic is the 428 in the 66



Pic of the 427 pan

1968 Mustang Fastback...427 MR 5spd (owned since 1977)
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Re: Disease please, I'll take two.
« Reply #7 on: September 16, 2016, 05:33:46 AM »
I couldn't remember how far it hung down. Was hoping it would fit in the space I had left. But if it hangs to far down then I'll end up trimming and rebuilding the front sump as shallow as possible.

Marc
'61 F100 292Y
'66 Mustang Injected 428
'66 Q code Country Squire wagon


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Re: Disease please, I'll take two.
« Reply #8 on: September 16, 2016, 03:13:55 PM »
Well not gonna be able to trim to much out of it but I'll get some, maybe .500 if I'm lucky.
No worries though I'll take what I can get. Can always reshape the sump a bit to just house the pump.
Meanwhile, getting ready to lower the rack and make room in the tunnel for the trans. Figuring on being able to drop the rack .750.
That along with shortening the sump will get me where I need to be.


So much for a flat pan  ;D Amazing how one thing effects another when you're going off script.
Marc
'61 F100 292Y
'66 Mustang Injected 428
'66 Q code Country Squire wagon


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Re: Disease please, I'll take two.
« Reply #9 on: September 17, 2016, 10:19:05 AM »
There is another option... a lot of people overlook it, maybe because it is expensive! It will solve the problem though. Run an external belt driven oil pump. Just a single stage pump like a dry sump pump, but basically run it as an external wet sump. There would be a few oil lines and some plumbing to the pan and filter head, but it is all doable, and no oil pump in the pan so out of the way of the Mustang 2 steering set-up.
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Re: Disease please, I'll take two.
« Reply #10 on: September 17, 2016, 11:37:20 PM »
Thanks Thor, that's a cool idea.
I think I'll be ok but that's a good idea to have in the pocket.
Trying to get a handle on where the point of diminishing returns is.
BTW I was able to lower the rack about 7/8s.
Marc
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'66 Mustang Injected 428
'66 Q code Country Squire wagon


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Re: Disease please, I'll take two.
« Reply #11 on: September 20, 2016, 07:54:57 AM »
Looks great Mark.  Have you given any thought to what you're going to do for a radiator yet?  I figured I'll end up with a later model 24" big block radiator in mine, but I'm not sure what I'm going to use for a fan yet.  I'm don't really like electric fans, I don't know why I just don't, but I'll use one (or two) if I have to.  I've been looking for alternatives.

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Re: Disease please, I'll take two.
« Reply #12 on: September 20, 2016, 08:19:08 AM »
Not to much thought about it, just know I'll have to go a bit bigger and modify the core support to accept.
And fans. :D
Marc
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'66 Q code Country Squire wagon


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Re: Disease please, I'll take two.
« Reply #13 on: September 20, 2016, 08:57:38 AM »
I cant get enough of it.  That is a beautiful car!  Envious!
Jason
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Re: Disease please, I'll take two.
« Reply #14 on: September 20, 2016, 09:15:10 AM »
I love FEs in 65-66 Mustangs, that thing is going to be cool.  Especially with EFI.

On the external pump, I have one like that on my Mach 1, and also the dry sump on the Shelby clone.  I am not quite as enamored of them as I used to be.  In fact, I may take the dry sump off my Shelby clone and go back to the normal wet sump, but add a vacuum pump and an Accusump.  There are two things I don't like about the external pumps.  One is that you have to prime them somehow before starting after they sit for a while, or they won't pump the oil.  The other is that the breather can required tends to fill up rather quickly, and if you don't keep it drained a bunch of oil starts coming out of the top of the breather can.  Two years in a row now this has dogged me at Drag Week.  Its fine for a race car, not so much a street car, I think...
Jay Brown
- 1969 Mach 1, Drag Week 2005 Winner NA/BB, 511" FE (10.60s @ 129); Drag Week 2007 Runner-Up PA/BB, 490" Supercharged FE (9.35 @ 151)
- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC