oil filters

[blykins]

I won't use a Fram either.  I mainly use Wix filters. 

[67gt350]

I will second the Baldwin filters. I ran an independently owned auto parts store for several year and we never had an issue with them. I had at least five fleet customers who used them exclusively. Quality was excellent so was the price. One day we had a representative in from Hasting with a filter cutter, we cut several apart and even he admitted that the Baldwin looked great. The Fram was the worst so was the AC Delco..

[Falcon67]

I run either Motorcraft or Wix.  Usually the FL1-As on my small block engines.  The 351Cs with 30wt run about 70 psi oil pressure dead cold, never had an issue with off the shelf FL1-A filters.  Also use them on the parts washer.

[Lenz]

Wix on the 445 and that or Motorcraft on my other stuff.  Used to run Fram here and there but the collective knowledge on this forum showed me the error of my ways.  Which oil filter to use seems like a simple question but it does bring out a wealth of key info including some real life history lessons.

[Qikbbstang]

You guys are great entertainers when it comes to filters at least to retired filter peddlers like me. I've been flown to (via corp jet) and gone all through Baldwin's lube, fuel and hydraulic "filter plant". Left no doubt and they confirmed Baldwin makes the large, heavy duty and industrial filters they simply sub-out all the filters common to the automotive market (ultra competitive).
         This thread starts right off searching for recommendations on a shorter spin-on filter.  You can't have your cake and eat it to.  Odds are great there will be less filter media in a shorter filter.  Unfortunately increaseing the amount of media EXPONENTIALLY and directly improves the performance of the filter in every measurable way that filters are rated.  Contamination capacity , restriction, flow:differential pressure, and surprisingly even the sizes of particles captured etc..  Conversely decreasing media does the opposite of increasing it in all aspects.
      For the life of me I find it hard to comprehend why "laymen"  get into such elaborate discussions on both oil and to a lesser extent air filters while they don't even put forth a tenth of that effort discussing  gaskets, oils, carbs, headers, mufflers, tires, gears, pistons, cams etc.. I've sold over $25 million worth of filtration and get educated on filters all the time by laymen. I'm especially amused by the never ending hoards of snake-oil filter advertisers.... you know the ones that say: filters down to, filters as small as, increases HP & Fuel Mileage etc.
                        I was requested to do a speech for a group of ASHRAE engineers on antimicrobial treated filter medias. One engineer came up after I'd talked and said he liked my using the: "It filters down to a half-micron and so does a chain link fence if you find a half micron particle somewhere on it.'


             
             

             
         
   

[Richard F]

A Mopar filter is the short replacement filter with a normal diameter. The Wix number is a 1068 i believe. The short, small diameter filter is a FL400 in motorcraft.

Close...1068 is NAPA, 51068 is Wix.  NAPA filter numbers just drop the first number, in this case the"5".

[Drew Pojedinec]

You guys are great entertainers when it comes to filters

Awesome!  happy the laymen could entertain a professional like you!

[Dryhoze1]

You guys are great entertainers when it comes to filters at least to retired filter peddlers like me. I've been flown to (via corp jet) and gone all through Baldwin's lube, fuel and hydraulic "filter plant". Left no doubt and they confirmed Baldwin makes the large, heavy duty and industrial filters they simply sub-out all the filters common to the automotive market (ultra competitive).
         This thread starts right off searching for recommendations on a shorter spin-on filter.  You can't have your cake and eat it to.  Odds are great there will be less filter media in a shorter filter.  Unfortunately increaseing the amount of media EXPONENTIALLY and directly improves the performance of the filter in every measurable way that filters are rated.  Contamination capacity , restriction, flow:differential pressure, and surprisingly even the sizes of particles captured etc..  Conversely decreasing media does the opposite of increasing it in all aspects.


I said Baldwin solely based on doing my own homework. I have cut every brand of filter possible & still have not come across one that is better than a Baldwin.
If you say Baldwin (subs out) please tell me/us to who specifically.
I have yet to see one that compares.

Since ur the filter expert, can you give the details of the Baldwin B253 ?
Micron rating etc..


      For the life of me I find it hard to comprehend why "laymen"  get into such elaborate discussions on both oil and to a lesser extent air filters while they don't even put forth a tenth of that effort discussing  gaskets, oils, carbs, headers, mufflers, tires, gears, pistons, cams etc.. I've sold over $25 million worth of filtration and get educated on filters all the time by laymen. I'm especially amused by the never ending hoards of snake-oil filter advertisers.... you know the ones that say: filters down to, filters as small as, increases HP & Fuel Mileage etc.
                        I was requested to do a speech for a group of ASHRAE engineers on antimicrobial treated filter medias. One engineer came up after I'd talked and said he liked my using the: "It filters down to a half-micron and so does a chain link fence if you find a half micron particle somewhere on it.'


             
             

             
         
 

[Drew Pojedinec]

Dryhoze1,
I'm no professional, but the multi-billion dollar company I work for chooses to use Baldwin filters exclusively on our engines, many of these engines cost well beyond $500,000 to rebuild.  (I figure there must be some reason, and I doubt it is cost, they don't roll like that, our EMD's get 55,000hours on them between overhauls).

I'd say I have changed 30-50 of these filters a month for the last decade.  I have been in an electrical engineering course all day or I'd do the math on how many that probably is
I've only ever had one box of 6 filters that were flawed.  They were B96 filters and it seems the tap had run too deep when threading filter.  They were loose on the filter head and after we blew one off, we tossed the case of them.

[fekbmax]

I used a parts master filter. Use to be made by hastings but maybe wix now idk. Should be fine. 1600 constant rpm generator engine down in the megathurm/mechanical room. No biggie. Just wanted a short filter so I wouldn't have to jack it up off its mount every oil change.
Thanks for the input and controversy though guys.  ☺

[Dryhoze1]

I agree Drew !!

Qikbbpinto ,

I use Baldwin solely based on doing my own homework. I have cut every brand of filter possible & still have not come across one that is better than a Baldwin.
If you say Baldwin (subs out) please tell me/us to who specifically.
I have yet to see one that compares.

Since ur the filter expert, can you give the details of the Baldwin B253 ?
Micron rating etc..




             
             

             
         
 

[abyars]

You guys are great entertainers when it comes to filters at least to retired filter peddlers like me. I've been flown to (via corp jet) and gone all through Baldwin's lube, fuel and hydraulic "filter plant". Left no doubt and they confirmed Baldwin makes the large, heavy duty and industrial filters they simply sub-out all the filters common to the automotive market (ultra competitive).
         This thread starts right off searching for recommendations on a shorter spin-on filter.  You can't have your cake and eat it to.  Odds are great there will be less filter media in a shorter filter.  Unfortunately increaseing the amount of media EXPONENTIALLY and directly improves the performance of the filter in every measurable way that filters are rated.  Contamination capacity , restriction, flow:differential pressure, and surprisingly even the sizes of particles captured etc..  Conversely decreasing media does the opposite of increasing it in all aspects.
      For the life of me I find it hard to comprehend why "laymen"  get into such elaborate discussions on both oil and to a lesser extent air filters while they don't even put forth a tenth of that effort discussing  gaskets, oils, carbs, headers, mufflers, tires, gears, pistons, cams etc.. I've sold over $25 million worth of filtration and get educated on filters all the time by laymen. I'm especially amused by the never ending hoards of snake-oil filter advertisers.... you know the ones that say: filters down to, filters as small as, increases HP & Fuel Mileage etc.
                        I was requested to do a speech for a group of ASHRAE engineers on antimicrobial treated filter medias. One engineer came up after I'd talked and said he liked my using the: "It filters down to a half-micron and so does a chain link fence if you find a half micron particle somewhere on it.'


             
             

             
         
 

Qikbbstang, what brand would you recommend?  I like hearing from people in the industry.  I figured filters, like most products, are manufactured by just a handful of companies and built to the label's specs.

[67gt350]

Its terrible anymore to try to get a straight answer on anything especially from a manufacturer. If Baldwin outsources some of its filter production it should be no surprise as everyone is doing it to save money and be competitive. Baldwin would have the say in how those filters were made as far as specification and quality. I do remember that if you put a - 10 at the end of the part number on a Baldwin filter it would get you a finer micron filter, they did this when a lot of the fleets companies were changing there oils over to synthetic oil.

[Qikbbstang]

Re: ".............. but the multi-billion dollar company I work for chooses to use Baldwin filters exclusively on our engines."
---------------------------------10 Points Drew!----------------------
  Exactly that's the kind of filters (for large engines etc) that Baldwin Manufactured in Nebraska. 
Two things:
 I'll never forget some poor woman that was doing a single operation on each filter, her body was bent over doing so. I'm thinking about her aching back. (production Mgt) .The small "press" could have been  simply elevated and she would been able to stand straight up. Almost all the filter manufacturing plants I ever visited were ripe with mundane, boring, mindless and repetitive operations.
     The other thing I recall at Baldwin was the "cotton waste" used to fill the large "sock" filters as Drew mentioned used on the large diesels. I was fucking horrified there were nut shell pieces, saw dust, grain husks and every kind of scrap cotton material known to man in large mounds on the floor to stuff the sock type filters.

     Kind of strange but the parent company that owned Baldwin owned a HEPA filter company in Penn.  Within months I flew in their jet to tour both plants -- night and day in a way and the same thing in others.  Here I was having been trained on and witnessed state of the art micro-filtration filters actually being manufactured in clean-rooms.   Then seeing the floor sweepings that go into sock filters....... Hey you stuff a pillow real hard into a tube and let oil drip through it -- it's potentially going to come out very clean....It's not going to flow fast!

               So for you guys that want the micron of auto-oil filters ---- I'm sorry that  automotive-oil filters all use a multi-pass test, meaning you flow the lube through over and over before you sample and "determine" the ratings. On top of that they use crazy beta numbers that further allow them to pull a figure out of their asses. No wonder you don't need absolute filters in a car engine. They work fine with about a 25-50 micron absolute filter.

     Seriously=========      I meant it when I mentioned cutting back on or adding more media exponentially alters a filters performance ---the OPs wanting to use the short version gives me cramps.  -My 427 FEs going to be running dual parallel FoMoCo FL1 sized filters on a remote head.
   To give you a hint of the nature of adding more or less media -- JNHO I'd say it's reasonable that an automotive filters filter's efficiency will nearly drop the filters performance/micron rating by a third to a  half.
  NOTICE: I did not bother offering up my preferred brand(s) and models of those brand(s). Because I find it useless to even try to argue with "filter experts" that don't have a clue about elementary filtration.

     
           

[Dryhoze1]

An interesting thread if you have some time..

Those of you that read this, please post your thoughts


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