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jayb

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Re: The Road to Drag Week 2016 - July 24, 2016
« Reply #15 on: July 29, 2016, 09:01:53 PM »
You mean at the edge of the chamber just below the exhaust valve centerline?  I saw that too, but the clay didn't show any closeness with the piston there.  I think that may have happened during the rod throwing incident in 2014.  Who knows how that piston was flying around in there...
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Re: The Road to Drag Week 2016 - July 24, 2016
« Reply #16 on: July 29, 2016, 09:30:07 PM »
The problem is this:  An iron/steel rod typically needs .050" growth room in an engine, and the aluminum rods need more.  Checking this in a cold setting will give you a clearance that is not there in a running hot engine.  That piston seems to be touching the head where it is shiny.  I have seen 427 pistons with the combustion chamber imprinted on the top of the piston when hot, but check OK cold, with .038" being minimum head to piston clearance with steel rods.  That aluminum block may be moving more than you imagine when under load and stress of combustion heat.  This may be a detonation slap causing the piston to rock just enough to hit the combustion chamber on that side.  I would check piston movement at TDC with the clay in that area and then measure it again.  Joe-JDC
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Re: The Road to Drag Week 2016 - July 24, 2016
« Reply #17 on: July 30, 2016, 06:41:02 AM »
I can verify JDC's dimension comment to a point.  On one of my wedge deals I ran the piston out of the hole a bit.  If I recall correctly I was at +/-.036 piston to head.  When we tore that one down it had very clear images of the head surface on the piston - right down to the machining marks from the old Van Norman we were using back then to deck the heads.  No measurable deformation or stepped raised area - just like a photograph or etching.

We were obviously - and accidentally - as close as we could get.  Some kind of transient or occasional side load or contact still feels like a more likely cause for the rod failures than does sheer luck or harmonics.

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Re: The Road to Drag Week 2016 - July 24, 2016
« Reply #18 on: July 30, 2016, 06:47:02 AM »
Jay, some outfit makes a polymer (?) that one can literally pour into a combustion chamber to make a copy of the dead space. I did see this some time ago in the JE Pistons site but can't remember the name or type of compound. This would make a great backup to the clay method as this flexible, semi-stiff material, when set, could even be calipered.

Found it!

https://www.jepistons.com/TechCorner/Mold-Making.aspx
« Last Edit: July 30, 2016, 06:49:34 AM by machoneman »
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