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If the parts described in the message below became available, which would you consider purchasing?

Standard aluminum 427 block
30 (27.8%)
Raised cam / spread bore block
4 (3.7%)
New FE heads / intake setup for standard FE block
21 (19.4%)
New FE heads and intake setup for raised cam / spread bore block
2 (1.9%)
More than one of the above
51 (47.2%)

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ScotiaFE

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Re: New FE Block, Heads, and Intakes on the horizon...
« Reply #75 on: May 24, 2016, 08:24:55 AM »
Correct, BB, this will be all Made in USA stuff...

Ha. More foreign stuff eh. ;)

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Re: New FE Block, Heads, and Intakes on the horizon...
« Reply #76 on: May 24, 2016, 08:25:42 AM »
Just as a side note here, on the 632 Chevy, I ported several sets of heads for those 20 years ago that flowed 490/340 to 538/360cfm, on the exhaust with 2.400-2.450/1.940 valves.  Made 1213 hp with two dominators and sheetmetal intake.  I have found over the years that the more cubic inches you have, you can't get the ports too big.  For a FE to be competitive at that level, it needs comparable flow capabilities.  The Victor can be ported to flow over 500 cfm, but the best heads right now are still limited at, or near 400-410cfm.  It is going to take a huge increase in flow potential to reach 490cfm with the FE design and still look like a FE from the outside.  The valve arrangement is not the problem, it is the dogleg and short turn that need to be completely revised.  Barry's head intake port shape is getting close, just needs a much higher short turn.  I really like the idea of a block that is capable of 4.600 bore, in the stock appearing architecture.  JMO, but hope you can make it happen.  Joe-JDC

Joe, I will be getting with you on this as I get a little further down the road.  But for what it's worth, on the high flowing version of the heads I was looking at a 2.45" intake valve and a 1.90" exhaust.  You can use a pretty big valve when your bore is 4.600"...
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- 1969 Mach 1, Drag Week 2005 Winner NA/BB, 511" FE (10.60s @ 129); Drag Week 2007 Runner-Up PA/BB, 490" Supercharged FE (9.35 @ 151)
- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC

   

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Re: New FE Block, Heads, and Intakes on the horizon...
« Reply #77 on: May 24, 2016, 09:38:02 AM »
Well after being a guest here for quite awhile I finally decided to register so that I could vote and give my opinion. I would love to see FE parts that are available first and foremost. There are two FE projects I have planned. The first being a 500 cube 427 for my 67 Mustang that I have spent years collecting parts for to turn it in to a Shelby GT500 tribute. I have been on different lists three different times trying to get my hands on a medium riser 2 x 4 tunnel wedge intake only to be disappointed. So for me availability is big. I know this is a limited segment of the hobby but if you could call up and order the parts you wanted or at least be in line on a list with a reasonable amount of time to get what you need I think it would really benefit people who want to build these engines. The SOHC that I would like to build for my 68 Mustang is a good example. A couple manufactures have claimed they would be a "on stop shop" for everything you would need to assemble one of these motors. In reality you are going to spend years searching or waiting to collect enough parts to do it yourself. I could build a 385 series a lot cheaper and make more power than what is available at this time, but that's not what I want for the car. An aluminum big bore block yes please!! It would be great to be able to build a 600 cubic inch SOHC!!

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Re: New FE Block, Heads, and Intakes on the horizon...
« Reply #78 on: May 24, 2016, 11:29:57 AM »
Jay, I just tweaked a set of BBC heads for a local guy, and the exhaust was 1.880", which is fairly common and easy to buy.  The ports were smallish, but still could be made to reach close to 300 cfm, and with a little work, I am sure they would have.  I think you are on the right track for maximum flow potential at anything over 2.350", and the 1.900" is a good compromise for unshrouding.  The 1.940" exhaust valve starts to get heavy in inconel.  For a 500 cfm intake, you need in the range of 350 cfm on the exhaust, and a header will pull a port up at least 20 cfm if the shape if good.  Joe-JDC
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Re: New FE Block, Heads, and Intakes on the horizon...
« Reply #79 on: May 24, 2016, 12:23:06 PM »
most of this stuff is out of my league,but i would like to have a real good set of heads and intake for my 428.i got whipped by a gm 400 smallblock a while back. not really whipped but he was a car length ahead at the finish. i would love to gain a noticeable amount of power with better heads and intake.i cant stand to get beat buy these smallblock chevys!
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Re: New FE Block, Heads, and Intakes on the horizon...
« Reply #80 on: May 24, 2016, 12:56:57 PM »
most of this stuff is out of my league,but i would like to have a real good set of heads and intake for my 428.i got whipped by a gm 400 smallblock a while back. not really whipped but he was a car length ahead at the finish. i would love to gain a noticeable amount of power with better heads and intake.i cant stand to get beat buy these smallblock chevys!
Unless you are class racing? A heads up from another level means nothing really.
Of course all racing/car junk is budget directed.
How big do you want?
How fast do you want to go?
How shinny do you want it?

That costs extra. Please pay on your way out. Thank You. ;)

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Re: New FE Block, Heads, and Intakes on the horizon...
« Reply #81 on: May 24, 2016, 01:19:19 PM »
its just street racing,bragging rights.no power adders.im talking daily driver stuff.no pro street,nothing special,just street cars,not street outlaws.just a buddy with a camaro who rubs it in my face.the old ford-chevy stuff
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Re: New FE Block, Heads, and Intakes on the horizon...
« Reply #82 on: May 24, 2016, 02:44:49 PM »
How does a 632" engine in your 390 Mustang or Torino sound?

Or a F-100?  With a leaky 12-71 cherry on top. If the block can handle 1800-1900hp.... I'm in.
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Re: New FE Block, Heads, and Intakes on the horizon...
« Reply #83 on: May 24, 2016, 03:09:27 PM »
or a comet or fairlane with a 632! i just want to see the fe kick-ass even if i cant afford one.i would give my left n?? to see it!!
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Re: New FE Block, Heads, and Intakes on the horizon...
« Reply #84 on: May 26, 2016, 08:15:02 AM »
Jay, Do you have any more information at this time on any other planned features for the blocks?

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Re: New FE Block, Heads, and Intakes on the horizon...
« Reply #85 on: May 26, 2016, 11:18:56 AM »
Not really, but I should know a lot more in a few weeks.  I think the response to this topic has convinced him to go forward with the block, in all the versions we have discussed here.  When I find out more I will post it here - Jay
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- 1969 Mach 1, Drag Week 2005 Winner NA/BB, 511" FE (10.60s @ 129); Drag Week 2007 Runner-Up PA/BB, 490" Supercharged FE (9.35 @ 151)
- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC

   

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Re: New FE Block, Heads, and Intakes on the horizon...
« Reply #86 on: May 26, 2016, 12:39:00 PM »
Sweet.. If things go as planed do you think there will be a list of some sorts to get ones name in the hat ? Maybe some kind of deposit to assure that one is marked for an individual so as to not have to worry about them all getting gobbled up . ? Would you plan to have a prototype to display and go over it with your trusted judgment so everyone would know the ends and outs ?
I realize it could still be down the road a bit. There are many of us that I believe have a lot of interest.
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Re: New FE Block, Heads, and Intakes on the horizon...
« Reply #87 on: May 26, 2016, 02:54:43 PM »
I'm not sure about any of that Keith, but I will bring it up with the block manufacturer and hopefully get more information within a few weeks - Jay
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- 1969 Mach 1, Drag Week 2005 Winner NA/BB, 511" FE (10.60s @ 129); Drag Week 2007 Runner-Up PA/BB, 490" Supercharged FE (9.35 @ 151)
- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC

   

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Re: New FE Block, Heads, and Intakes on the horizon...
« Reply #88 on: May 26, 2016, 03:56:52 PM »
I'm not sure if this has been mentioned earlier in this thread but changing the bell housing mating surface would open up so many possibilities for transmissions. But if your willing to buy into new blocks then your probably ok with buying aftermarket adapters.

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Re: New FE Block, Heads, and Intakes on the horizon...
« Reply #89 on: May 26, 2016, 06:56:29 PM »
I'm not sure if this has been mentioned earlier in this thread but changing the bell housing mating surface would open up so many possibilities for transmissions. But if your willing to buy into new blocks then your probably ok with buying aftermarket adapters.

Excellent idea!! An optional mod motor bell housing pattern would allow for 4,5, and 6 speed autos, and easier/cheaper stick swaps. Good thinking. It's probably get ignored.