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Stumbled on this and just thought it was plain cool...
« on: March 21, 2016, 09:28:39 PM »
So actually - I'm torn between laughing at the dude strolling next to the thing yelling in dutch or german or whatever while the tractor moves slower than the speed of smell...

...and....

...thinking that that is one of the cooler motor-sports vids I've seen in a long time!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGx-8xkim7k

I'm guessing that this is old enough tech to predate even the mechanical old-timers here...
« Last Edit: March 21, 2016, 09:30:13 PM by BigNate »
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Re: Stumbled on this and just thought it was plain cool...
« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2016, 10:42:00 PM »
That first one was pretty cool. Although I think those were diesel, steam is where it's at for power. Weight equals traction, and when you've got a couple thousand ft. lbs. of torque under you, nothing can stop it.

https://youtu.be/zG0aJ6M1bD8

As a kid, I used to love going to steam shows. But most of the old timers are gone now and the tractors have all but disappeared.
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Re: Stumbled on this and just thought it was plain cool...
« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2016, 11:25:22 PM »
Although I think those were diesel, steam is where it's at for power.

Nah.... you just don't hang out with enough big diesels.  Comparing a massive steam engine powered tractor to a small diesel tractor is not much of a comparison.

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Re: Stumbled on this and just thought it was plain cool...
« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2016, 06:08:56 AM »
I liked both sets of movies, but that old steam tractor was just awesome. 
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Re: Stumbled on this and just thought it was plain cool...
« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2016, 06:49:21 AM »
You're right, Drew. The bigger steam tractors can easily produce over 3000 ft. lbs. of torque at 100 RPM or less. It really is no comparison :)  But I was considering the cool factor as well. I know you're a little biased..lol
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Re: Stumbled on this and just thought it was plain cool...
« Reply #5 on: March 22, 2016, 07:54:55 AM »
Always like to see external combustion tractors.Max torque at zero rpm's is plain cool.

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Re: Stumbled on this and just thought it was plain cool...
« Reply #6 on: March 22, 2016, 04:44:00 PM »
Guess the HP and torque curves won't meet @ 5200 rpm!

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Re: Stumbled on this and just thought it was plain cool...
« Reply #7 on: March 22, 2016, 05:30:35 PM »
Volvo BM made a tractor named Viktor that had highest
torque at idle this is the forest version called Bamse
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_bfo924tnU&ebc=ANyPxKrjpIKX_UsO6Z8SH3WiUKrgCnBeZbxBQ3SeMQZhHjjV9geUQKU1PYZGyWOiwp9ymYKzeFTfPcQPukPYgxh4WUnVZ3g_-g



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Re: Stumbled on this and just thought it was plain cool...
« Reply #9 on: March 22, 2016, 06:34:25 PM »
My Dads old Farmall F12, with a cracked exhaust manifold, sounds just like that Volvo. Don't have a tach hooked to it, but I swear that thing will lug down to a couple hundred RPM and still pull fine. I know diesels are great for torque, but unless you keep them in a heated garage in the winter, they are a MAJOR pain to get started, at least when they're old like those in the videos. Even worse when you have one runaway from you.
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Re: Stumbled on this and just thought it was plain cool...
« Reply #10 on: March 22, 2016, 06:50:11 PM »
Guess the HP and torque curves won't meet @ 5200 rpm!

Richard

Richard, the calculation is the same.  The engine just happens to top out at a max rpm so the hp/torque curve looks different.
This is why my 10,320cubic inch engines are only rated at 2,000hp :-)
I can say from watching and testing with a load cell, that our boat, floating with the two engines at full rack can generate 79,800 lbs of pull against a dead weight on the dock.  (We are rated at over 80k but it was 102 degrees that day, so I suspect that was the issue).

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Re: Stumbled on this and just thought it was plain cool...
« Reply #11 on: March 22, 2016, 07:14:08 PM »
Dough  we have a couple of old Volvo Diesel tractors
from the 60s
We use electrical heaters put in one of the coreplug
holes (all cars around here have it  Diesel or gas)
can be minus 35-40 C here for weeks in january
Its worse when you have it deep in the forest.
You have to start the day with making a fire under
the oilpan :D
We have an old 1942 Oliver Cletrack modified for
logging work gas powered magneto ign 6 volts
i have started it when it was -38C with the starter
40 we had to help it with the handcrank



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« Reply #13 on: March 22, 2016, 10:35:37 PM »
Thats a valvecover 8).Does offenhauser make finned
covers for that ;D.3 rockers 2 moves together and
3 valves on one rocker?? am i halusinating or is it
a twostroke diesel or what?



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Re: Stumbled on this and just thought it was plain cool...
« Reply #14 on: March 22, 2016, 11:10:22 PM »
EMD 16-645-E2 engines.  2Strokes, the only GM product I willingly work on.  Probably my favorite engine of all time.... it is just so well designed to be serviced in place.  I feel we can sail around the world with just a few parts.

4 exhaust valves per cylinder, no intake valves.  The center spring is for the injector which is still controlled by a manual rack because tier 0 is the best tier.....
The rockers you see have three springs each (so 6 exhaust springs for four valves).  The center spring is a stabilizer for the bridge.  The excessive clicking you hear in the video are from the rockers.  Despite being an overhead roller cam the rockers have what we call "poppers" on the valve tip end.  They are essentially hydraulic lifters of sorts and with a lil rpm they fill with oil and take up valve lash.  Of course these engines currently have 50,000 hours since the last overhaul so they don't really pump up until they've been running for awhile.  Engines themselves were installed in place in 1976 and have only had overhauls every once in awhile, typically dictated by lube oil consumption.  With a fresh build they will consume 7 gallons of lube oil a day each, we typically rebuild them when they start consuming 40+ gallons a day.  Seems like a lot, but at full steam we burn upwards of 4,000 gallons of #2 a day.  Realistically at cruise we burn 2500-3500 depending on what we are towing.

and yeah, doing a valve adjustment on a V16 when you have to set the gap on 7 things per cylinder is a little tedious.

intake ports look a little like this:


I just did the valve cover seals, they don't use gaskets, they use a 16 ft long rubber cord... doesn't seem like a big deal until you do 8 of them :P