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turbohunter

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Re: Preview of coming non-FE dyno attractions...
« Reply #15 on: January 27, 2016, 10:44:44 AM »

Would be great to see Bach & Gould or a new team field a real SOHC Ford nostalgia AA/FD again.

http://www.dragracingonline.com/special/bachgould_1.html

Man that would be awesome.
On the casting, yes it's quite nice. Doug told me he had a very nice set of blueprints for it so he was able to get a real good design on it. I believe he took it down to Hot Heads to mock it up and test.
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Re: Preview of coming non-FE dyno attractions...
« Reply #16 on: January 29, 2016, 10:48:37 AM »
Jay, Joel: before we place our hp/torque bets on Joel's "392" hemi dyno runs we need to know if there's any nitro involved?   :D
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Re: Preview of coming non-FE dyno attractions...
« Reply #17 on: January 29, 2016, 11:46:58 AM »
No nitro, but the engine is nearly ready to run.  We expect to start it tonight, and will probably run the best dyno pulls tomorrow.  Place your bets on the best numbers!

I'm going to say 620 ft-lbs of torque, and 707 HP...
Jay Brown
- 1969 Mach 1, Drag Week 2005 Winner NA/BB, 511" FE (10.60s @ 129); Drag Week 2007 Runner-Up PA/BB, 490" Supercharged FE (9.35 @ 151)
- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
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Re: Preview of coming non-FE dyno attractions...
« Reply #18 on: January 29, 2016, 12:36:41 PM »
650 hp / 625 tq
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Re: Preview of coming non-FE dyno attractions...
« Reply #19 on: January 29, 2016, 01:00:03 PM »
No nitro, but the engine is nearly ready to run.  We expect to start it tonight, and will probably run the best dyno pulls tomorrow.  Place your bets on the best numbers!

I'm going to say 620 ft-lbs of torque, and 707 HP...

Nope! I'm always high so I say 595 ft-lbs @ 690 hp.

This w/o still knowing the induction system, among other engine detail things! Live vicariously, I say!
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Re: Preview of coming non-FE dyno attractions...
« Reply #20 on: January 29, 2016, 03:02:57 PM »
We are actually going to be trying out 3 different induction systems.  The one on the engine now is a 2X4V single plane unit, kind of like a tunnel wedge but higher, with two 660 center squirter carbs.  The second is a single 4 Dominator single plane intake, which looks very good, and an 1150 Dominator carb.  The third, which is the one that Joel wants to run in the car, is a long crossram style intake with eight different single barrel carbs on it.  Very vintage.
Jay Brown
- 1969 Mach 1, Drag Week 2005 Winner NA/BB, 511" FE (10.60s @ 129); Drag Week 2007 Runner-Up PA/BB, 490" Supercharged FE (9.35 @ 151)
- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC

   

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Re: Preview of coming non-FE dyno attractions...
« Reply #21 on: January 29, 2016, 03:11:15 PM »
Cool and thanks Jay. Three different intakes, eh?  I'll stick to my guesses yet I'll venture a.) the dual 660's barely beat out b.) the single Dominator while c.) the 8 single V long runner will outperform the other two down low and in mid-range but get killed, badly like over 100 hp, on the top end. 

Hey, it's like horse racing....win, place and show! Hah!
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Re: Preview of coming non-FE dyno attractions...
« Reply #22 on: January 30, 2016, 10:21:07 AM »
Go back in Jays book and look at the test on the 8 x 2V set up on the FE dyno mule. Pretty impressive for old tech.. Our resident old tech proponent J C felt that Jay put his thumb on the scale a bit by not taking 3 days to tune the thing. He is convinced it would have stomped the field.  LOL. It sure did not lose a 100 horse on the high end..
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Re: Preview of coming non-FE dyno attractions...
« Reply #23 on: January 30, 2016, 12:04:05 PM »
Here are pictures of the three induction setups.  The 2X4 setup is currently installed, and will be run first.  The Dominator intake will use my 1150 cfm carb.  The 8 carb setup uses two barrel carbs, not one barrel carbs as I previously stated.  Each carb is good for 220 cfm!  The 8 carb setup blows the other two away in cool factor, IMO:







We'll be starting the engine by noon today.  Results tomorrow.  Place your bets LOL!
Jay Brown
- 1969 Mach 1, Drag Week 2005 Winner NA/BB, 511" FE (10.60s @ 129); Drag Week 2007 Runner-Up PA/BB, 490" Supercharged FE (9.35 @ 151)
- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC

   

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Re: Preview of coming non-FE dyno attractions...
« Reply #24 on: January 30, 2016, 12:32:51 PM »
I'll stick to my earlier power estimates but.....revise my text (see below) on the 8 single carb statement. Now that it's known to be 2-bbl carbs at over 1750 total cfm, it should almost equal the other intakes and not be down 100 hp. 

Odd though the shape of that dual carb intake with what appears to be a fairly sharp right angle at the plenum. Surprised that this area wasn't taller, better shaped or had the top of the runners angled better than they are. The single plane intake looks terrific and obviously follows modern design intakes in runner shape, angles and a smooth plenum. 

"Cool and thanks Jay. Three different intakes, eh?  I'll stick to my guesses yet I'll venture a.) the dual 660's barely beat out b.) the single Dominator while c.) the 8 single V long runner will outperform the other two down low and in mid-range but get killed, badly like over 100 hp, on the top end. 

Hey, it's like horse racing....win, place and show! Hah!" 
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Re: Preview of coming non-FE dyno attractions...
« Reply #25 on: January 30, 2016, 01:50:12 PM »
663 hp, 570 tq with the 1150 Dominator

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Re: Preview of coming non-FE dyno attractions...
« Reply #26 on: January 30, 2016, 03:06:31 PM »
711hp and 615 trq. It is almost ready to fire up. The Drunk Monkey  and myself are here with Joel and Jay.

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Re: Preview of coming non-FE dyno attractions...
« Reply #27 on: January 30, 2016, 03:23:35 PM »
Cool! Can you guys do a video w/sound as well?
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Re: Preview of coming non-FE dyno attractions...
« Reply #28 on: January 30, 2016, 04:22:14 PM »
Kool Looking power plant!
I bet more than anything I have running.  :P
Why the bare block and "cough" rusty pulley?
Rat Rod thing?
Good luck, hope it meets your expected numbers.

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Re: Preview of coming non-FE dyno attractions...
« Reply #29 on: January 30, 2016, 05:55:49 PM »
Update 4:30 on Saturday - We have fought through several problems already.  First was as we were filling the engine with water, all kinds of water started pouring out of the exhaust bolt holes in the heads.  Apparently on 392 Hemis this is standard, and Joel didn't know it.  With my SOHC headers bolted onto the engine, only three of the header bolts are used, so as we filled the engine with water, it started streaming out of the unused bolt holes.  Joel pulled the headers off on each side and stuck some kind of a probe into each header bolt hole, and found two on each side that went into the water jacket.  He plugged those with some 3/8" set screws with sealer, then bolted the headers back on.  We filled the engine with water, and then the rest of the exhaust bolts started leaking; apparently even though they bottomed out with Joel's probe, they still went into the water jacket.  I took this opportunity to question Chrysler engineering  ;D  I mean, really, header bolts into the water jacket??

After Joel repeated the procedure and got the headers re-installed, we finally got the engine to hold water.  It fired up immediately, but sounded like we had some interference rubbing going on in the bellhousing.  We shut it off and pulled the started to look inside, and sure enough we could see the flywheel plate rubbing against a starter nose support that was cast into the aluminum bellhousing.  Joel went in there with a chisel and cut the offending part off the bellhousing, because the starter he has doesn't even use the support.   After he did that we started the engine again, and it sounded a lot better, but there was still some noise, and Joel saw some sparks coming out of the bottom of the bellhousing.  We decided to pull the starter again, and sure enough we could see that the starter gear was contacting the flywheel gear.  Joel added two washers to the starter to space it out from the bellhousing, and next time when we started the engine it finally sounded OK.

We warmed up the engine for about 5 minutes and Joel set the timing, but then we started to hear some valvetrain noise, so we shut the engine off and pulled the valve covers.  Unexpectedly, when we pulled the covers we saw a LOT of water in the oil.  We traced the noise to a rocker arm that wasn't adjusted properly, so that was an easy fix, but as I sit here typing Joel and Jeff are pulling the intake and heads, because Joel thinks the head gaskets are the likely source of the leak.  We will see.  Here is a photo of the engine with the valve cover off, and you can see the milky color of the oil:



Joel thinks he can get the engine fixed later this evening, and maybe we can even run a pull by then.  More updates as they become available...
« Last Edit: January 30, 2016, 08:50:35 PM by jayb »
Jay Brown
- 1969 Mach 1, Drag Week 2005 Winner NA/BB, 511" FE (10.60s @ 129); Drag Week 2007 Runner-Up PA/BB, 490" Supercharged FE (9.35 @ 151)
- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC