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SOHC Production Numbers
« on: July 01, 2015, 10:20:15 PM »
I remember reading on a few different topics a while back some individuals were wondering about the specifics of the SOHC production numbers. A long time ago I found and saved a couple scanned documents and am getting around to sharing that info now. The first document covers how many sets of factory aluminum SOHC heads were made. It says 75 sets were made, so 150 heads. The second doc goes into the production numbers of crate engines.



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Re: SOHC Production Numbers
« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2015, 10:38:44 AM »
I forgot to respond to this earlier, sorry.  The number of aluminum heads made was certainly greater than 75 pairs of heads.  Each head was numbered individually.  I have #109 left and #172 right, plus two others that I can't recall the numbers off of at the moment.  Back when I wrote the SOHC article I was talking with Ohio George via email, and George gave me the following numbers for aluminum heads that he had:  #138 right, #151 left, #152 right, #186 right, #187 left, #262 right, #273 left, #278 right, #283 left, #285 left, #286 right, #290 right, # 291 left.  It seems that the odd numbered heads were left heads, and the even numbered heads were for the right side.  We don't really know where Ford started the numbering sequence, but even if it was at 100, there were at least 95 pairs made, and probably more if they started before 100.

On the engines themselves, Ohio George's opinion was that they made somewhere in the range of 750-1500 total engines.
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- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
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Re: SOHC Production Numbers
« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2015, 08:32:36 PM »
It's possible this was just for one year. It's the only documentation I've been able to find that goes into this. It's possible that the document on the aluminum heads was just the bulk of the production and some more were produced after this group. The engine production stats most likely only took into account the ones produced as crate engines. I've heard from more than one source that it was estimated around 500 engines. More were able to be made from the parts production. Of course this document only covers one year though, so it is entirely possible that Ford had another production year.
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Re: SOHC Production Numbers
« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2015, 08:55:03 PM »
I think they probably did have more than one production year, and of course I'm not trying to discredit the documentation you have; it is obviously geniune.  FYI, in the 1967 Ford full size car shop manual, they listed two engine codes of SOHC production cars!  An L code for the 427 SOHC-4V, and a D code for the 427 SOHC-8V.  Since the engine first appeared in 1964, based on the Ford shop manual and your documentation I'll bet they were produced in 1965 and 1966.

By the way, I checked my other two aluminum heads, and they are numbers 3 and 5!  The only thing that is odd is that #3 is a left head, and #5 is a right head.  All the other right heads I know of were even numbered.  But if the numbers on those heads are to be believed, Ford probably started with number 1, meaning that there were at least 145 pairs of aluminum heads made.
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- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC

   

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Re: SOHC Production Numbers
« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2015, 09:45:17 PM »
By the way, I checked my other two aluminum heads, and they are numbers 3 and 5!  The only thing that is odd is that #3 is a left head, and #5 is a right head.  All the other right heads I know of were even numbered.  But if the numbers on those heads are to be believed, Ford probably started with number 1, meaning that there were at least 145 pairs of aluminum heads made.

Sounds like you have some very collectable pieces there Jay! Maybe consider storing those under the mattress. ;)
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Re: SOHC Production Numbers
« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2015, 09:50:15 PM »
Jay, you might have the only remaining initial aluminum SOHC heads. I'd clean them up and make a museum piece out of them. I'd never put them on an engine. That pair of heads is worth at least $10k. As for the numbering, this is what I think. In 65 they produced 75 sets and in 66 they produced 75 sets, for a total of 150 sets of aluminum heads. Grand total of 300 castings. It would make sense.

Some info on SOHC data, for any who don't know already...

-On engine ID tags, a 363 indicated a single Holley 4 barrel carb SOHC and a 359J indicated a dual Holley 4 barrel carbed SOHC.

-Ford actually designated engine codes for the VIN. For the single carb SOHC it was a L and on the dual carb SOHC it was a M. It's sad this engine was never used in something like a Mustang or a Galaxy. I do find it interesting Jay that you have the dual carb as a D and all the information I've found has it as a M.

I just thought of something else too. Say 65 and 66 were designed to be identical production years, as with the aluminum heads. The documentation shows 435 crate engines were made in 66. If 65 was the same or very similar, that would mean roughly 870 crate engines were made. This somewhat backs up the rumor of 500 crate engines I've heard in the past, the major point to consider is that the production was under 1000. If I remember correctly, these images came from Gessford Machine's website.
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Re: SOHC Production Numbers
« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2015, 10:41:36 PM »
Got thinking a little more about this and decided to dig up my copy of the salient page of the Ford shop manual, that shows the engine codes.  Here it is:



No M code listed, just the D code for the 8V SOHC.

Next I took pictures of the back of the 4 aluminum SOHC heads that I have.  Here, I discovered I was in error on one number.  This is the head I thought was number 5:



Looks like that is head #54 instead.  In the dark of my shop, I thought that the area around the number 4 was just pitted a little; I did not see the stamp in the pitted area until I looked close with a flashlight.  But now, as an even number, it is consistent with all the other factory aluminum right side SOHC heads that I have information on.

Here's pictures of the other three heads:







Every one of these heads has the letters "PB" in a circle stamped on the back.  Anybody know what that stands for?

« Last Edit: July 11, 2015, 10:46:57 PM by jayb »
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- 1969 Mach 1, Drag Week 2005 Winner NA/BB, 511" FE (10.60s @ 129); Drag Week 2007 Runner-Up PA/BB, 490" Supercharged FE (9.35 @ 151)
- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC

   

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Re: SOHC Production Numbers
« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2015, 10:59:43 PM »
PB, stands for Peanut Butter...

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Re: SOHC Production Numbers
« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2015, 11:19:02 PM »
PB, stands for Peanut Butter...

Took the words right outta my mouth! LOL! PB also stands for lead on the periodic table. Doubt either suggestion poses any relevancy, but I'll stick with my Peanut Butter. Peter Pan creamy for my taste. :D
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Re: SOHC Production Numbers
« Reply #9 on: July 11, 2015, 11:21:02 PM »
PB might stand for production batch? It could also just be a designation Ford assigned to the aluminum head molds.
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Re: SOHC Production Numbers
« Reply #10 on: July 11, 2015, 11:22:03 PM »
I have some ford bolts with pb on them form Portland bolt but I know it does not mean that, lol...

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Re: SOHC Production Numbers
« Reply #11 on: July 12, 2015, 12:35:10 AM »
If you read the letter Joe posted you'll see Ford had Paramount Boring do the machining & final assembly on the aluminum heads, my guess would be PB stands for Paramount Boring  ;)
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Re: SOHC Production Numbers
« Reply #12 on: July 12, 2015, 12:54:06 AM »
If you read the letter Joe posted you'll see Ford had Paramount Boring do the machining & final assembly on the aluminum heads, my guess would be PB stands for Paramount Boring  ;)

Dang, good eye. I would have to agree. :)
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Re: SOHC Production Numbers
« Reply #13 on: July 12, 2015, 12:54:49 AM »
That makes more sense. From a quick google search, it appears that Paramount Boring and Machine is now Paramount Precision Products in Oak Park, MI.
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Re: SOHC Production Numbers
« Reply #14 on: July 12, 2015, 01:07:08 AM »
Decades later, we're still figuring out the lost secrets of this engine.  :)
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