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darren121671

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Re: Budget 390 opinion
« Reply #15 on: February 26, 2015, 04:46:20 PM »
Yes, I would like to stick with a hydraulic. Maybe even a hydraulic roller if you guys think I could run one with head and intake combo.The intake is not set in stone yet. I'm leaning towards the Lunati cam also. Thanks for everyone's input.

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Re: Budget 390 opinion
« Reply #16 on: February 26, 2015, 05:39:44 PM »
I'd go hydraulic roller and never look back.  It's more torque and more reliable than a flat lifter cam.  I use a .524 lift,  224/224 on a 112 custom grind pretty often for what you descibe.  We put it in heavy cars, 1-tons, etc.  It is my favorite for an engine that needs to be there right off idle.  The cam is a little more, and you'd have to buy lifters, but much better in the long run, and no worn lobes when you least expect it.
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Re: Budget 390 opinion
« Reply #17 on: February 26, 2015, 08:44:03 PM »
Thanks guys for all of your input. I think I will go with the Lunati 219/227@.050, lift .540/.552 LSA/ICA 112/108 or .524 lift,  224/224 on a 112 custom grind roller if I can scrape up the dough for the roller. CaptCobrajet who makes that grind for you anyway?

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Re: Budget 390 opinion
« Reply #18 on: February 26, 2015, 10:31:33 PM »
I'd pm Blair and see if he could order you the correct set up as he's a vendor. He might not want to give up one of his secrets ;). Also he would give you a better cam selection than the techs at lunati or comp IMHO.
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Re: Budget 390 opinion
« Reply #19 on: February 28, 2015, 08:48:02 PM »
I'd go hydraulic roller and never look back.  It's more torque and more reliable than a flat lifter cam.

Blair, your hatred for flat tappet cams is well known. I know there are occasional lobe failures on flat tappet cams, but I've never had one. I've got solids that have been running for over 25 years that require no lash adjustments. I know of plenty of others that have been used for well over 35 years, in multiple engines. So when people can show me rollers that have gone over 100k miles and last 25+ years of daily use IN AN FE (not in a new engine), then I'll believe that rollers COULD be as reliable as a solid flat tappet.
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Re: Budget 390 opinion
« Reply #20 on: March 01, 2015, 06:05:24 PM »
I'd go hydraulic roller and never look back.  It's more torque and more reliable than a flat lifter cam.

Blair, your hatred for flat tappet cams is well known. I know there are occasional lobe failures on flat tappet cams, but I've never had one. I've got solids that have been running for over 25 years that require no lash adjustments. I know of plenty of others that have been used for well over 35 years, in multiple engines. So when people can show me rollers that have gone over 100k miles and last 25+ years of daily use IN AN FE (not in a new engine), then I'll believe that rollers COULD be as reliable as a solid flat tappet.

Not sure I'd call it a hatred for flat tappets.  I actually like solid flat tappets.  We get them well into the 9's with .500 lift in racing apps, BUT the problem for me comes when I build an engine for a customer, and neither the customer or myself does anything "wrong".  No wrong spring pressures, no wrong parts, no wrong break-in, and no wrong treatment after the customers gets it...................and then.................for no reason..........it wears a lobe off after a short time period.  Now, if I send that engine to, let's say, California, from Tennessee..... if that customer wants me to fix it, think of the cost to me.  I would have to have two more successful builds to recover from the loss on that one.  I don't like to build street/strippers for customers with flat lifters because of the potential for it to cost me an arm and a leg "if" it happens to kill a lobe............which is possible.  I admit, I have never had that happen, but I know the cost if it did.  I have just made a decision to not build aggressive flat tappets for street use.  A low rpm, 100 seat, 280 open, 5000 rpm truck engine............fairly safe, and I will do that, but a 160/400 sprung, 7500 rpm flat lifter that sits in a garage for three months at a time.......not me.  In that case, it is a cocked gun, just waiting to fail.  I would rather do a solid roller and tell a guy he has 10,000 safe miles before a lifter change.  Just a business decision more than a "hatred".  The oils we use do not have the same "guts" that oils used to have.  There is a reason the OEMs went away from flat lifters, and I have grown to prefer the hydraulic rollers on the street.  They have been cycle tested at 400 open pressure, and proven reliable, and I am on that program.
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Re: Budget 390 opinion
« Reply #21 on: March 01, 2015, 07:01:29 PM »
All good and valid points from a business perspective. I won't use hydraulic flat tappets in anything. I just don't see any advantage from them, only negatives. And I admit, I'm always nervous the first 500 miles on a solid cam build. But so far I have either been lucky, or just take the right steps to avoid any problems. Still, I'll always be of the mind that, on older engines at least, a solid flat tappet is the most reliable cam/lifter set-up out there. Rollers will need replaced, hydraulics (even OEM) WILL fail eventually, but a good solid cam will last for generations without problems. I've got some 60+ year old flathead performance cams that I would not hesitate to use again, and again.
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Re: Budget 390 opinion
« Reply #22 on: March 02, 2015, 08:13:01 PM »
Huuummmm.... I'm a Roller type of guy myself. Normally solid rollers. But I will be building a Hydraulic flat tappet for my back yard 390 build. Using a Comp XE274H cam. Should be about perfect for what I want to build.

  As for the 4x4.... Take a look at the XE264H.... It would be about perfect for what your looking for. JMHO
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Re: Budget 390 opinion
« Reply #23 on: March 03, 2015, 10:59:06 AM »
I have had better luck with lunati then comp but that is just my opinion
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