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Re: Here's a follow-on question about building an SOHC...
« Reply #45 on: September 20, 2014, 12:10:36 AM »
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Re: Here's a follow-on question about building an SOHC...
« Reply #46 on: September 20, 2014, 10:50:00 AM »
I agree that a single source of all quality parts would move the idea along. Yet, my marketing background says you'd need to closely gauge first total demand....which I'm doubtful is that high. Even the 50 engine demand level sounds high if it's spread over a 2-3 year period. I'll ask a rhetorical question as to what your cash outlay would be (negative cash flow) would be to get enough volume of castings, etc. to lower the cost/price to an acceptable level.

Tod Buttermore over on the Net 54 C forum has had a devil of a time, mainly with the casting side, in attempting to sell a great 351C block. Tod may be a good fellow to talk to about orders, promised orders (!) , delivery spans, etc. and he's only doing a bare block!  Or Tim Meyer as he's handling the sales end.

http://www.the351cforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=244&p=1588
 
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Re: Here's a follow-on question about building an SOHC...
« Reply #47 on: September 20, 2014, 03:56:34 PM »
The casting side of the deal is definitely the most difficult with any of these cast parts.  There are some very high end castings outfits near me that I had quote my intake adapter, and the prices I got per adapter were well over $400 for just the raw casting.  These outfits would X-ray the castings, vacuum degas the melt, etc, all in an effort to make aerospace quality castings.  But in the end they were just too expensive to make the money side of things work.   Then there were the smaller, less sophisticated outfits, that offered a really good price but were hit and miss on quality.  Fearful of a "Dove" syndrome, I ended up with a casting shop that was kind of in the middle, and so far I've had pretty good luck with them.  But casting an intake is a lot different than castings heads or a block.  I've spoken with Tod Buttermore on a few occasions and I can certainly empathize with his issues on getting a block cast.  The difficulties involved in casting a complex head like the SOHC just add to the riskiness of this venture.  But, the guy with the patterns has had it done, and I've seen the parts, so it can be done...
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Re: Here's a follow-on question about building an SOHC...
« Reply #48 on: September 20, 2014, 08:57:23 PM »
Good thing you've got all this free time Jay.......    ;D


Seriously, if you do this, I think you'll be knighted by the FE monarchy.  We'll have to start referring to you as Saint Rev Dr Sir JayBrown

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Re: Here's a follow-on question about building an SOHC...
« Reply #49 on: September 20, 2014, 10:09:52 PM »
There's an FE monarchy?  What does the queen look like?

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Re: Here's a follow-on question about building an SOHC...
« Reply #50 on: September 20, 2014, 10:49:03 PM »
Do you REALLY want me to scour the internet to find a suitable picture? (I will)

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Re: Here's a follow-on question about building an SOHC...
« Reply #51 on: September 20, 2014, 11:16:59 PM »
She s really curve ee and got awesome body lines , she stops traffic - makes everyone take notice ...... Jay take your time and think this thru , I M O   it s a step - just be sure ..Bud
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Re: Here's a follow-on question about building an SOHC...
« Reply #52 on: September 21, 2014, 12:25:55 AM »
Your Queen Sire
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Re: Here's a follow-on question about building an SOHC...
« Reply #53 on: September 21, 2014, 09:52:09 AM »
Wow! That good looking gal is now at least......65 years old....LOL!

Didn't know that Shelbys came in pink! 
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« Reply #54 on: September 21, 2014, 10:25:38 AM »
They do if you're Playmate of the Year! And I know Jay's thinking of a repaint on the '69, maybe a color change?  ;) as if the full tilt Cammer doesn't get enough attention  ;D
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Re: Here's a follow-on question about building an SOHC...
« Reply #55 on: September 21, 2014, 11:57:23 AM »
Any man showing up to "Drag Week" in a pink mustang would immediately be suspect.

I could hear it now.
"See that dude in the pink mustang?"
"Yeah, he started talking about two over head shafts and I walked away...."

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Re: Here's a follow-on question about building an SOHC...
« Reply #56 on: September 21, 2014, 01:44:13 PM »
Any man showing up to "Drag Week" in a pink mustang would immediately be suspect.

I could hear it now.
"See that dude in the pink mustang?"
"Yeah, he started talking about two over head shafts and I walked away...."

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Re: Here's a follow-on question about building an SOHC...
« Reply #57 on: September 21, 2014, 10:23:17 PM »
10 K for quality parts sounds good ..... about what Dove was/is for iffy parts with out block ...... have to straight axle my 63 fairlane with 4 inch drop axle but I always wanted to build a high quality straight axle set up

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Re: Here's a follow-on question about building an SOHC...
« Reply #58 on: September 22, 2014, 06:52:03 AM »
Ok as a former crazy mountain biker there is a website called Pinkbike.com

The way it goes in that world is as follows...  when you're a  big enough bad@ss you can ride a pink bike and pull it off.

(me)

I feel that could go the same @ drag week... put up or shut up... i don't care what you think i'm rockin the pink car.


That being said... white or black man... i'm pretty monochromatic in my cars.

Unless it can pull off british racing green.

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Re: Here's a follow-on question about building an SOHC...
« Reply #59 on: September 22, 2014, 09:21:13 AM »
I would be a buyer at 10K for a kit..
 To me the Cammer just has more wow factor than anything else Ford except for a Boss 9, and the new Kaase kit is right in that price range.. Certainly in the HP/$ game there are other Ford engines that deliver more for less..
I highly value uniqueness. And uniqueness with good performance is even better. What would be the premium for the Cammer kit vs prepped Ebocks or BT heads in the 600 -650 hp power level on a 445 short block? That is the real number that needs to be considered. Maybe it's a 5k upgrade?  I would do that.

As far as the viability of it as a business investment, I will offer an example...  Y Block Ford   (Jay rolls his eyes).  Would anyone say that investing in performance parts for them would be wise?  probably not. Yet John Mummert spent a lot of time and money on developing Aluminum Intake and aluminum heads. I would say he has probably sold at least 200 sets of heads and as many intakes.  Demand for them seems to be increasing and he is always behind on filling orders.  Most of them are going to guys who have a desire to increase the performance of their 50's fords without dropping in a later series Ford engine. This is not a cheap upgrade. You would have close to 4K invested by the time you were finished. And Y Block guys do not have a reputation as high rollers  lol.. It has to do with being unique and still being competitive.. Same motivation I would have for owning a cammer. And yes I do have a Mummert equipped Y block that makes 500 hp.

As far as what to put one in.. The current nostalgia racing movement is just begging for some cammers.  Gassers  FX cars, Altereds Funny cars Front engine Dragster.. (Jay how about a Shelby Super Snake clone)  (Notice how we all love to spend Jay's Money for him)

Show up at a vintage drag race with a cammer equipped Ford and you get a LOT of attention  Just a bonus when you outrun a bunch of ho hum Brand C stuff.

Jay I will offer a good test bed for your research and developement.. 57 Merc 2dr Wagon that formerly had a 545 385 in it  Plenty of room in the engine compartment.. I can drop it at your place any time...
1955 Thunderbird Competition Coupe Altered Chassis "War Bird" 383 Lincoln Y block 520 hp
1955 Thunderbird 292 275 hp Y Block
1956 Ford Victoria 292 Y block

1957 Mercury 2dr Wagon "Battle Wagon" drag car 
1957 Thunderbird Glass body Tube Chassis drag car 333 cu in 500 hp Ford Y block
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