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Drag Week 2014, Registration and Test 'n Tune
« on: September 07, 2014, 10:03:30 PM »
Steve and I were up at 6:30 this morning, and after breakfast at the hotel we hit the road for the track.  The track gates were supposed to open at 7:30, but  we wanted to get there a little early so we were on the road by 7:00.  We rolled up to the track at 7:20 and they had opened the gates early, and it looked like there were already 150 cars on the grounds.  We quickly parked the truck and trailer, got the car unloaded and hooked up the Drag Week trailer, and then headed for the registration lines.   By the time we got into line it was 8:00.  Later, at 1:25, I finally reached the registration tent.  Registration is SO slow at Drag week.

On the other hand, waiting in line gives you a chance to check out all the other cars and catch up with old friends.  Pulling in right behind me was Bill Fowler in his 71 Mustang convertible with the 1000 HP 385 series engine.  Pics of Bill's car and his engine are below:





Bill spent the summer trying to get his Fox body Mustang ready to transplant the big engine into, but he ran out of time so he was back again with the 71.  He has the car plumbed for nitrous and is waffling between running BB/NA and BB/PA.  While I was talking to Bill, Tom Posthuma showed up, so we talked for a while.  Tom was looking around for Joel, aka Captain Stabbin, but he hadn't appeared yet.  Finally I called Joel and he and Kevin (thatdarncat) were at a Lowes or a Home Depot or something, because Joel's horn wouldn't work and he needed a switch to use as a backup in case he couldn't get it fixed at the track.  A horn is required to run in Drag Week.

A couple of minutes later I bumped into Curt Johnson.  Curt is back with his Fox body Mustang with big block Chev power, and last year ran a bunch of 9.0s in BB/NA with that car.  He is running the same class this year.  (Bill, if you are reading this, maybe you should go BB/PA  ;)  The "prom queen's ride" has no shot in BB/NA unless Curt breaks.)  Curt and I talked for a while and caught up, and I told him about my rod knock scare, which still had me shaking my head.  One of Curt's friends is here and running in my class; his name is Brad and I remember him from DW'09, when he looked to have a pretty competitive car but broke part way through the event, if I recall correctly.  I was sure that Brad would be fast.  Shortly after that I ran into Dustin Hasse, who was one of the original gang at Drag Week 2005, and we started talking about maybe getting all the guys from 2005 together at some point during the week.  There were a bunch of us there, and there has never been a better Drag Week than the first one in 2005, so it would be fun to get together and rehash old times over a couple of beers.

A couple of minutes later Joel and Kevin finally arrived; here's a picture of Joel's 67 Oldsmobile, and another shot of him working on the horn wiring under the hood:





The line was moving slowly, so I was able to leave the car for several minutes at a time and walk up and down the registration line talking to folks.  I ran into a guy with a really nice Torino Cobra running in the event; here are some pics of the car:





There was also a 66 Galaxie painted up to look like an old NASCAR racer:



Tom Posthuma came by again and pointed out Alan Casida's Galaxie, which I had driven right by but missed.  I went over to get a couple of shots; it is a really nice looking car:





A little later Alan came by and we had a nice chat.  By this time I was hanging out pretty close to the car, because the registration line was moving more frequently.  Here's a picture of the registration line at about 10:00 AM:



Lots of people were stopping by to look at the car, and finally a guy with a serious looking camera and tripod came up, said he was from Hot Rod, and wanted to get a video of me opening up the hood on my car.  He had me do it twice, from a couple of different camera distances; it will be interesting to see if/when that shows up on the Hot Rod website.

A little while later Joel came by; he had managed to get his horn fixed and hung around for a while while the line moved.  There were two lines at registration, one for Daily Driver and the Unlimited cars, and one for everybody else.  The Daily Driver line moved much faster than the line I was in, and despite arriving quite a bit later than I did, Joel had made it through registration much faster.  While hanging around by my car he decided to reprise his "Captain Stabbin" role, and try to get the locking spears through the holes on my Drag Week trailer in one push.  I tried to get him to bet on it, but he hadn't done it in a while so he wisely declined; he ended up trying it five or six times without success.  Here he is prior to the first try:



Finally we made it to the head of the line and got through the registration process.  I said hello to Hot Rod editor David Freiburger and told him I was hoping to reverse three years of bad luck at Drag Week this year.  He thanked me for coming and wished me luck.  I drove out from the registration tent, picked up my Hot Rod "goodie bag" and Drag Week t-shirt, and then Steve and I headed for the concession stand.  It was getting to be pretty hot at the track and the sun was really beating down, and we needed some refreshment.

The test and tune portion of the program had gotten going around 1:00, so after getting some drinks Steve and I headed up to the stands and watched the racing for a while.  Finally we got going back to the car, to get it ready to make a pass or two at the track.  There were a lot of changes to the car since the last time I had run it a few weeks ago, including new tires, a new converter, a new four link location, and new race fuel, VP Q-16.  I'm always nervous driving for the first time at a new track, and with all these changes to the car I tried to be very deliberate getting it ready, and making sure everything was right before Steve and I got into the car and headed for the staging lanes.  The lanes were also moving very slowly, and it took a half hour or so before I finally made it up to the line.  This was the first burnout for the new tires, so I did a fairly long one, and then pulled to the line and launched the from a footbrake as usual.  Right off the bat there was a problem; the car was missing badly in first gear.  I hadn't ever had that happen before with this engine.  The shift light flashed and I went to second, still missing, but then it cleaned up and ran out the end of the quarter sounding pretty good.  Slowing down after the stripe, and approaching the return road, I was already thinking about what the problem could be. 

Two possibilities immediately came to mind.  First, when I changed plugs earlier this week, after street driving the car for a couple hundred miles, the plugs were very black, indicating that the EFI tune for street driving was really rich.  I had changed the plugs, but then drove the car about 50 miles to the alignment shop and back, and I was wondering if the plugs had turned black already and were not working at high engine speeds.  The other possibility I thought of was the new fuel.  VP said that this fuel, which was oxygenated, needed to be run about 5% richer than standard race gasoline.  So, when I filled up the tank I had richened the EFI fuel map by 5%.  But it almost seemed like the car was running rich, and that maybe I shouldn't have done that despite the fuel.  I idled down the return road and picked up my time slip, which was a miserable 10.38 at 130 MPH.  My pit was right at the end of the track, so I pulled in there and shut the car off.  Steve was going to wait in the stands until Joel ran and then come back, so I got out of the car and started pulling the plugs.  I got #1 through #4 out and they looked pretty good; no serious carbon fouling or anything like that.  It seemed like the plugs were not the problem.

About this time another guy I knew from some previous Drag Weeks came by and said hi.  He asked what was wrong with the engine, and I told him about my suspicions.  He said that I'd been trailing a lot of smoke starting at the halfway point of the track, which surprised the heck out of me; I'd had no idea.  He said, "Look at the left front tire."  There was a bunch of oil on the tire and the lower control arm.  Uh-oh...

I thought maybe that the dry sump catch can had filled up during the pass and had been puking oil out of the breather, but the breather felt dry.  Where was that oil coming from?  I looked in the top of the dry sump can, and was surprised to see that it was nearly empty.  What the hell?  I crawled under the car and looked around for a valve cover leak or a dry sump line leak, but didn't see anything.  Then I looked at the oil pan:



I'm sure you can just about imagine the shock I felt when I saw the hole in the oil pan.  I was done; another Drag Week disaster.  I kind of sat back in shock for a while, as Steve and Joel and Kevin came over.  For the life of me I couldn't reconcile the reason for this problem, but now it seemed like the noise I'd heard on Thursday night may have been a rod knock after all.  But I hadn't heard that noise all day today; it didn't make any sense. 

After calming down a little I started thinking about the circumstances surrounding this failure.  I have a low oil pressure warning light that points straight at me from the dash, with a bright red bulb in it.  I never saw it lit up going down the track, coasting down from the pass, or on the return road.  So I must have still had some oil pressure all the way up until I shut the car off.  If I'd had a catastrophic engine failure like a broken connecting rod, for example, I'd have thought that one of the plugs would be destroyed, so I pulled the #5 through #8 plugs, but they all looked OK.  #5 looked a little blacker than the rest, but that was the only difference.  Curt Johnson showed up and suggested I crank the engine with the coil wires off to see if we could hear any knocking.  The engine sounded perfectly normal during cranking.  I had Kevin watch the chain through the plexiglas window while I was cranking the engine, and he said the chain looked fine.  We began to think that maybe something had come loose in the engine, hit the reciprocating assembly, and got punched through the oil pan.  The oil was completely gone from the dry sump system, but maybe there had still been some oil in the tank while the engine was running, and after I stopped the car it all drained out through the hole in the pan; I hadn't seen the hole until 15 minutes after I'd parked the car. 

Kevin suggested that we pull a valve cover and see if we could see anything wrong in the top end; maybe a rocker adjuster broke, fed down through the timing cover to the pan, and got kicked out.  But I was going back to the pass down the track; the "miss" may not have been a miss at all, it may have been a broken component that finally came loose halfway down the track and freed up the engine to rev normally.  The whole thing was bad karma.

At Drag Week in 2007 I blew up a supercharger on the drive down to the event, and then after replacing that broke the transmission at the test and tune, and Joel and I stayed up all night pulling the transmission, having a local trans guy fix it, and re-installing it so we could race the next day. But at 56 years old, those days are behind me; I wasn't up for a massive thrash that may or may not fix the car.   After all the work I'd put into this car over the last few months, I had already decided that if I developed a major problem at Drag Week I wasn't going to bust my hump to get it fixed.  And this was obviously a major problem. 

So, Steve and Kevin and I packed up the truck, and with the help of a bunch of other guys rolled the car onto the trailer and tied it down.  On the way out of the track a bunch of the guys waved at me, but I just didn't feel like talking to them.  We should really go to the track tomorrow for the first day of the race, but I just have no desire to explain to an endless group of people why I'm out of the race already.  Steve and I will hit the road for home tomorrow morning.

Since I have the week off I'm going to spend a couple days cleaning up the shop, because it is just a disaster after the Drag Week thrash.  Then, I'm going to take the engine apart and figure out what went wrong.  With luck the reciprocating assembly will be intact, but I'm not holding my breath.  One positive is that the water jacket is intact, so whatever happened didn't compromise the water jacket of the engine.  I will try to put a post up here next weekend with what I've found.

Now that there's no point in keeping secrets anymore, this engine made 970 HP at 7200 RPM on the dyno.  It hit 950 at 6500, and was still making around 955 at 7500, which was as far as I ran it on the dyno.  It was a little lower than I was hoping for, but the intake manifold and headers were definitely not optimized for the engine's RPM band, so I was reasonably happy with the result; I have never had a naturally aspirated engine that made more power.  At the track a couple of weeks ago the best pass was 9.32 at 147.5, and the converter was stalling around 6000 RPM, which was about 500 RPM too low for this engine.   The 60 foot time was only 1.46 for that pass, which is way, way low; should have been a good two tenths faster, and probably 3 tenths faster for the ET, if I'd had the suspension tuned properly, and a decent set of tires plus some track prep.  The car should have run 9.0 at Drag Week, and my goal was to get into the eights sometime this week.

Once again, thanks to all you guys for the encouragement and support on this project.  I'll get the car fixed and get it back on the track next year, and we'll see what it will really do...
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Re: Drag Week 2014, Registration and Test 'n Tune
« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2014, 10:18:01 PM »
Damn, sorry Jay.
Still think your car is bad ass.
And you're a hell of a good dude.
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« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2014, 10:45:33 PM »
Ah Crap! what sour luck....you deserve better results than this given your efforts and work ethic....better luck next year.
That Shelby IS bad ass.
Wishing you a safe trip home.

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« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2014, 10:47:27 PM »
Not again? Im sorry Jay.
At 52 if I was there I would take over at least pulling the cam covers and having a look,Im the type that HAS to know what went wrong.

I've followed your post from the beginning,BTW I see the wrap on the oil line that I cautioned about LOL, From what you have shared with us I know you have to be about beat. I would sure like to be there to help,as I wish I was for every update you have shared with us all year,and last.

Does the shape of the hole look like something you recognize, a bolt or nut ? See even 1000 miles away and never met you or worked on your car I have to wonder if maybe ,just maybe..........

Thank heavens you didn't get oil under the tires....... 
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« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2014, 10:51:51 PM »
Man, bummer, the car looked and sounded so good. I did notice smoke on the pass but never saw where you were pitted.  :-\
 I can imagine the oil pan doesn't come off easily to inspect. Possible something non critical like a leftover bolt or tool fell in and got punched through and maybe JB Weld would fix 'er up.
 
A suppose it is better to find out there than on the road 200 miles away.

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« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2014, 10:58:14 PM »
Man, bummer, the car looked and sounded so good. I did notice smoke on the pass but never saw where you were pitted.  :-\
 I can imagine the oil pan doesn't come off easily to inspect. Possible something non critical like a leftover bolt or tool fell in and got punched through and maybe JB Weld would fix 'er up.
 
A suppose it is better to find out there than on the road 200 miles away.

I was thinking the same thing, but as much as I'd love to hear he JB Welded it and pressed on bravely, man I don't think I'd have the guts to pull it off :)

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« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2014, 11:02:44 PM »
Look for evidence of something going through the intake.  That would be my suspicion from the noise last week.  It has made its way to the pan during the run.  I have seen things imbedded in the tops of pistons that ran quiet then let go.  Do a compression check before pulling the engine.  Bummer!  Joe-JDC

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« Reply #7 on: September 07, 2014, 11:11:24 PM »
Jay, I always enjoy your weekly updates for Drag Week, to read the next chapter in a story. This was not the ending I was expecting.  :(  I bet you weren’t either. I think your making the right decision to put the car back on the trailer. Can you swap classes and race the tow truck? 
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« Reply #8 on: September 07, 2014, 11:27:20 PM »
My heart sank a little as I approached the bottom of the posting. Apparently gremlins are  non-discriminating and don't differentiate between the best and worst of us. I don't blame you at all for pulling out while it still moves under it's own power, I'd have done the same thing. Major huge bummer.

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« Reply #9 on: September 07, 2014, 11:40:59 PM »
That's just gut-wrenching Jay. So sorry to hear this happened. What a cool setup too, would have been great to see you do well with it.
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« Reply #10 on: September 07, 2014, 11:53:53 PM »
Man that just plain sucks balls. Your tenacity is always an amazement. I am sure with more prep time you will nail it next year.

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« Reply #11 on: September 08, 2014, 01:37:30 AM »
Glad to know that you're a mere mortal like the rest of us, Jay.

But damn, that's a hard way to show it.

Time for a Mike's Hard Lemonade.

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« Reply #12 on: September 08, 2014, 06:16:01 AM »
Sorry to hear that, Jay. It will be interesting to hear what you find in the tear-down.

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« Reply #13 on: September 08, 2014, 07:02:12 AM »
Wow.....sux Jay.........hope it isn't anything too expensive.
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« Reply #14 on: September 08, 2014, 07:08:12 AM »
Damn!

Really sorry to see this.
It will be interesting to see the autopsy report.
Still want to see what it can do - and l am sure we'll find out.

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« Reply #15 on: September 08, 2014, 07:29:31 AM »
Ouch! Well, we appreciate your reporting and it is a damn share for sure. We'll all be looking to future posts on what actually occurred. We feel your pain, Jay!
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« Reply #16 on: September 08, 2014, 07:32:27 AM »
Sorry to hear, Jay.  Hopefully it's something very easy to fix and you'll get her going soon. 
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« Reply #17 on: September 08, 2014, 08:07:55 AM »
Jay If you need a hand to tear down give me a call Greg R  763 444 0141 T-Bolt CC/S  58 Fairlane Out law 650 CI 1200plus HP  63 custom 300 N/SS 519 CI SOHC 857hp so far redyno soon!
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« Reply #18 on: September 08, 2014, 09:04:48 AM »
That really really sucks. We were all pulling for you to do well. Hopefully its something easy and cheap to fix. In our group of racers there is one who drives his car weekly. Its always running and he's always tuning and tinkering. Its fast, consistent and reliable. Then there's me. 8 days before were gonna go racing doing a valve job, installing heads, fuel system, traction set up, shifter, slicks, headers. No time for tuning or driving. Then always wondering why it didn't pick up a little extra e.t.  Just saying your plate looked extra full this year, and its gotta be tough being reliable and fast and consistent, especially when your pushing a thousand horse! Hopefully after a year the car will come around and run like it should.
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« Reply #19 on: September 08, 2014, 09:29:36 AM »
Really very sorry to hear about this, Jay. Take a little time to re-group and recover from the frustration.

I just can't see this being a rod issue. Seems there would have been obvious signs and catastrophic results. The fact the engine ran good during the second half of the run surely doesn't indicate that. Hopefully it's something fairly simple.
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« Reply #20 on: September 08, 2014, 09:43:04 AM »
I'm very sorry to hear this Jay.  Let me know if I can help in some way.

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« Reply #21 on: September 08, 2014, 10:13:34 AM »
Heartbreak!   :(
 I am sure you are exhausted so you have a good plan, clean up the shop and then tear it apart and see what happened.
Here's wishing you better luck in the future.

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« Reply #22 on: September 08, 2014, 11:45:06 AM »
Sigh....  :( Damn the luck! All the effort, time and money invested and something like this happens. It's just sick and wrong! 
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« Reply #23 on: September 08, 2014, 01:05:39 PM »
A real shame...and extremely perplexing. Thanks for providing the window on this year's effort, Jay, it has been a privilege being allowed to follow your exploits.  Your openess and commitment to documenting these endeavours are what make the FE Power Forum such a compelling gearhead destination.

And BTW, take heart, if the extent of the damage is limited as hoped then it's an early start for DW 2015 with this incredible machine.
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« Reply #24 on: September 08, 2014, 02:07:04 PM »
Thanks for the great write up Jay.  I enjoy Tommy T's tongue in cheek response that you are merely mortal, and regarding being 56 years old, would say you are smarter now than before (that's my story and I sticking to it). 

Best wishes on the tear-down.  Another great adventure for us armchair participants, even if a little shorter than wished for.

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« Reply #25 on: September 08, 2014, 02:57:47 PM »
Man what a bummer!  I tend to agree that it's not a rod issue, unless (very unlikely) it spit out a rod bolt and the rest stayed together.  You'd likely be hearing a fairly constant knock if that was the case.  I bet something like a screw or a plug got loose and kicked out the pan by the rotating assembly.  It may have even been something happily sitting in the bottom of the pan...

I'll be curious to see what you fine.  Sorry again for the frustrating turn of events.

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« Reply #26 on: September 08, 2014, 04:40:46 PM »
Damn that sucks Jay, I wish it had gone better this year. It seems like every time you go to the meet a dark cloud is hanging over. I really feel bad for you honestly.

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« Reply #27 on: September 08, 2014, 04:43:18 PM »
I wonder if it's a piece of tungston off the crank ?
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« Reply #28 on: September 08, 2014, 05:26:46 PM »
I know it is that little green guy that lives in my oil pan, my pan is off right now so it is my fault. I evicted him and he moved into Jay's pan. Sorry Jay I was hoping he would move into our Chevy dump truck and put it out of it's misery.

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« Reply #29 on: September 08, 2014, 06:22:46 PM »
That sux bad Jay, I had hoped the bad luck was over. Hopefully it's not too disasterous inside there.


All the talk about jb weld on pan holes makes me need to tell a story. I work on Mack trucks in Omaha, and about 10 years ago, I got sent on a service call. I was told that a concrete pumper was in the basement of the First National building, and it had quit running. This was to be the tallest building in Omaha, and everyone gets tense when loaded cement mixers are lining up and the pumper is dead. I hauled ass down there, locked it in four wheel drive, and drove down into the basement.  I climbed up into the truck and hit the key to hear a solid kerthud. I climbed down from the truck (it was at least six feet in the air on the outriggers). I walked under the truck and saw an exit wound at eye level on the oil pan. The foreman asked if I could just jb weld the hole shut so they could keep working. I explained that the hole was an EXIT wound, and the engine was done. I left the jobsite, but always wondered how they got the truck out of there. I put a new engine in that truck later that week. It also had a hole in the block behind the alternator.     It sux this happened, but there's never a good time for a hole in an oilpan.  Later, Travis

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« Reply #30 on: September 08, 2014, 06:44:58 PM »
Jay that Sucks . Always a bummer when you work so hard for some thing, and it goes wrong. I hope it is some thing small! Don't loss hope and keep up the good work! Theres always next year and maybe you can get the combo more sorted out by next year!

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« Reply #31 on: September 08, 2014, 06:58:10 PM »
I am super sorry to hear about this, Jay.  All that effort and a kick in the teeth as a reward.  Keep on keepin' on.  Your trials and amazing results mean a LOT to a LOT of FE'ers.  Thanks.

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« Reply #32 on: September 08, 2014, 07:30:53 PM »
Jay,
Reminds me of when I worked as a mechanic and fabricator on some IndyCar teams in the 70s... We had grenades for engines in those days; the early days of turbos.  Sometimes 20 laps and change the "spacer" as we called it! 
You did the right thing, instead of running it and potentially destroying a high dollar and high HP Cammer. 
I think you should get it figured out, fix it and then get back to the track to see what it will really do.  Get it fully sorted as needed and ready to kick some a--- next year!   

Beautiful job, regardless of the outcome.

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« Reply #33 on: September 08, 2014, 08:29:23 PM »
Thanks for all the kind words, guys, I appreciate it.  The initial shock has worn off and I'm looking forward to tearing into the engine this week.  We'll see what happens; I'll put up a post mortem on this board when I get the pan off.

Also, looks like the car and me lifting the hood made it into the Hot Rod registration video; click the video in the link below:

http://blogs.hotrod.com/video-of-hot-rod-drag-week-2014-registration-day-tulsa-ok-135865.html
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« Reply #34 on: September 08, 2014, 08:34:54 PM »
Jay I really admire the time and resources you give to Drag Week and to the FE community. For you to be dealt a blow like this is just horrible....hang in there man!

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« Reply #35 on: September 08, 2014, 10:00:02 PM »
That really blows... :-[ Sad to say but I'm sure you will be back with some revenge....
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« Reply #36 on: September 08, 2014, 10:34:48 PM »
Well Jay now you have just went and spoiled my week as I really looked forward to your updates. Seriously I feel sorry for you guys that put so much effort into getting the car ready. I guess it comes under the s$$t happens heading. I had a clunk in my Maverick after a second pass at Cedar falls this summer. Decided maybe I better not run it again as the clunk would go away when you revved it. Pushed it back into my trailer and took it home. Good thing too as the flex plate to crankshaft bolts were loose. I did the right thing as the holes were not elongated in the flex plate and the bolts were not damaged. Only loss was some trans oil and some work. It sure looks like you have a strange problem. :(

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« Reply #37 on: September 09, 2014, 06:26:35 AM »
Perhaps the damage can be quickly fixed for a few more runs yet this year. One can only hope!   :)
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« Reply #38 on: September 09, 2014, 06:39:14 AM »
Perhaps the damage can be quickly fixed for a few more runs year this year. One can only hope!   :)
Agreed!  Since it cranked freely with the coils disconnected there's good reason to be optimistic.  Like everyone else I'll be looking forward to hearing what went wrong.  In the meantime, since you've got the Shelby this far you could always finish it up over the winter and bring it to Beaver Springs in April..... :)  By the time drag week 2015 rolls around you'll have a thoroughly sorted out attack machine.
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« Reply #39 on: September 09, 2014, 08:54:33 AM »
I slept on what-ever punched the hole in your oil pan. Being the owner it's likely you may have lost sleep on the same subject. FRUSTRATING, what inside a motor could have enough mass and velocity to chisel a dent/hole in a pan and not have been from catastrophic failure such as a rod - but obviously it was still running?........... By the looks of things what-ever it was, it remains inside the motor - I can't fathom it made it through the hole.
     The fact you were concerned about a noise mid-week just adds to the mystery. Really sorry to hear and insult to injury you went through registration with the damage already done   

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« Reply #40 on: September 09, 2014, 11:51:02 AM »
Jay, sorry to hear about your motor problems. Had other running to do after I saw you on Sunday. Was there Monday morning and figured they was a problem. You should have the award for the one man show/worker,fabricator/engine builder/developer etc. Hope the problem isn't too serious.

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« Reply #41 on: September 09, 2014, 12:11:41 PM »
Maybe nothing came out at all?  Maybe it was a rod bolt that slowly worked it way loose and once it backed its way far enough, it came in contact with the pan...  From the look of the hole, whatever it was hit the inside of the oil pan at an angle....My guess (for what its worth) is that it was a rod bolt that backed itself out.

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« Reply #42 on: September 09, 2014, 12:25:45 PM »
Sorry to hear this Jay.... I hate to say it but I'm starting to wonder if your car/engine are crused... Damn the bad luck.... Hope it's a easy fix...


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« Reply #43 on: September 09, 2014, 01:19:15 PM »
My theory is that the Mach is jealous and sabotaged it....GT, Galaxie, now another fastback in the stable, all running drag week, the Mach is green with envy :)

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« Reply #44 on: September 09, 2014, 02:08:34 PM »
Yeah, it said to itself, "Why does that CLONE get lightweight shoes, and I have to run in these iron boots?"  "I could be as quick as him too, with lighter shoes on!"  That is how I felt when I saw the troops running PT in the new lightweight tennis shoes, because we had to run PT in Jungle Boots from the Vietnam era with steel toes, and steel in the soles to keep our feet from getting stuck on bamboo that was covered in poo.  That Mach I is still very cool looking.    Joe-JDC

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« Reply #45 on: September 09, 2014, 02:50:41 PM »
Sorry to hear about your bad luck! Thanks for sharing your education with us, Jay.  I can't wait to read your upcoming posts to learn what happened. 

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« Reply #46 on: September 09, 2014, 05:31:39 PM »
I feel your pain Jay. I broke 2 yrs in a row on the starting line  at the FE Reunion. Hopefully I"m done with that.

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« Reply #47 on: September 09, 2014, 06:10:21 PM »
So sorry to read of your misfortune, what a travesty! To have endeavored so far and be done before you'd begun has to be disheartening. I hope that you are able to back in search of that 8 real soon.

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« Reply #48 on: September 09, 2014, 10:26:39 PM »
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Well, crap!!
I was looking forward to a week of glowing descriptions of your destruction of the off-brands...
I feel for you, bro!!   :'(

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« Reply #49 on: September 10, 2014, 01:13:42 PM »

At Drag Week in 2007 I blew up a supercharger on the drive down to the event, and then after replacing that broke the transmission at the test and tune, and Joel and I stayed up all night pulling the transmission, having a local trans guy fix it, and re-installing it so we could race the next day. But at 56 years old, those days are behind me; I wasn't up for a massive thrash that may or may not fix the car.   After all the work I'd put into this car over the last few months, I had already decided that if I developed a major problem at Drag Week I wasn't going to bust my hump to get it fixed.  And this was obviously a major problem. 


Sorry to hear Jay. I was really looking forward to reports for DW.

I hear what you are saying about being 56 yrs old. I will be 58 in a few months and I thought building headers for my truck was going to be a breeze. Its taking forever because once I get under it I have a difficult time getting back up.

Hope the report on engine is not a big $$ failure.

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« Reply #50 on: September 10, 2014, 09:46:44 PM »
Not sure if it is the 56 part or the epic thrash leading up to it that saps the willpower.

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58 in a few months and I thought building headers for my truck was going to be a breeze. Its taking forever because once I get under it I have a difficult time getting back up.
60, degenerative arthritis in spine, hips, knees..   :-[  DOWN, and UP are both major chores..  :(
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« Reply #52 on: September 10, 2014, 10:02:07 PM »
Not sure if it is the 56 part or the epic thrash leading up to it that saps the willpower.

I would say the  "Not again" doesn't help....
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« Reply #53 on: September 12, 2014, 11:22:51 AM »
Everyones heart just sinks reading through that, especially with all the hard work.  Do keep your head up, you're super inspiring to everyone here.

Did the oil pan get pulled to take a peek? 

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« Reply #54 on: September 13, 2014, 09:53:39 PM »
Just checked the results of Drag Week.
http://www.hotrod.com/dragweek/drag_week_2014_race_results_day_6/
Jay I'm figuring you would've been one or two in the class if it hung together.
Hell you would've been fighting for the two spot on 7, figuring your test run.
Not trying to add insult to injury but seeing as it was a part failure, your plan was right on the money.
That's a positive to take away.
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